jed1ndy Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) The question is pretty much the topic title: Did the Toa have their masks swapped during the design period of 2001? If we look at early artwork of 2001 done by Christian Faber, we can see an awakening Tahu on the golden beach putting on a Miru instead of a Hau, and at the 2001 Toy Fair reveal, the prototype Kopaka was wearing a white Hau instead of an Akaku. Additionally, early artwork of the Doo Heads shows Kick with a head that appears to be very similar to a Kaukau, and Flame with a head similar to the noble Huna. So again, did the Toa have their masks swapped during the design period of 2001? EDIT: Links!http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kEpwZHTXFh4/T4NiIBJjlbI/AAAAAAAAAGM/t75fEEKZm-I/s1600/Early+bionicle_the+birth+of+a+Toa.jpghttp://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/68096/1294326-tahu40.jpghttp://www.alteredstatesmag.com/mar2001/graphics/Bio_Kopaka.jpg Edited March 25, 2015 by jed1ndy 4 Quote "The Kingslayer"Complete Okoto Alphabet + Okotoan Symbols | Infrared's Okoto Font | SDCC Semi-Live Coverage —————————BZPGOT S1 KILLS————————— Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regitnui Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I don't know. Likely the prototypes went through a couple of iterations before they finalised the looks. Quote Elemental Rahi in Gen2, anyone? A write-up for an initial video for a G2 plot I really wish everyone would stop trying to play join the dots with Gen 1 and Gen 2 though,it seems there's a couple new threads everyday and often they're duplicates of already existing conversations! Or simply parallel them with a slightly new 'twist'! Gen 2 is NEW, it is NOT Gen 1 and it is NOT a continuation. Outside of the characters we already have I personally don't want to see ANY old characters return. I think it will cheapen the whole experience to those of us familiar with the original line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aanchir Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 The Element IDs for the Toa Mata masks do provide some clues that the Toa Mata masks might have at one point been assigned to different Toa, but they are not consistent with the observations you're basing this theory on. Sequentially, the first six Element IDs for Toa Mata masks are 4143538 (Bright Blue Kakama), 4143540 (Bright Red Hau — this one did not change), 4143543 (White Pakari), 4143545 (Earth Orange/classic brown Miru), 4143548 (Dark Green/classic green Kakama), and 4143550 (Black Ruru).There are some definite quirks to this list — the Kaukau and Akaku are not listed for any of the Toa, while the noble Ruru is included and the Kakama is listed twice. This is not unheard of with prototypes — some of the Toa Hordika prototypes we've seen had masks shared between multiple characters — so it's possible these masks were never meant to be the characters' final masks and were just the first six produced because they needed masks for focus testing or something.The next five Element IDs for masks (4143780–4143784) give us the remaining Toa masks in their proper colors: the Dark Green Miru, Black Pakari, Earth Orange Kakama, White Akaku, and Transparent Blue Kaukau, in that order. 5 Quote Latest MOC: PAIGE (Prototype Artificial Intelligence, Gynoid Expression) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nidhiki of the Shadows Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 (edited) Could be possible. I honestly don't doubt it. Regardless, I like the way it turned out! But think about this - in a different world, the 2015 Toa may have had different masks to reflect that. -NotS Edited March 18, 2015 by Nidhiki of the Shadows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Stranger Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Don't quote me on this, because I can't for the life of me remember where I heard it, but I'm pretty sure the designers just assigned the original masks based on which mold they though would look best in which color. So I suppose it's entirely possible that some early material might have some of the masks switched around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegoSWfan Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 It's possible, but I bet the kaukau was always blue, as it looks like a scuba mask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aanchir Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 It's possible, but I bet the kaukau was always blue, as it looks like a scuba mask.Very true. Wasn't there a quote from an old interview saying the Kaukau was the last of the Toa Mata masks designed? I know for sure that it was the only one designed digitally with a CAD program rather than by hand-carving a 3:1 scale model. 2 Quote Latest MOC: PAIGE (Prototype Artificial Intelligence, Gynoid Expression) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegoSWfan Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I believe there was a quote, but it would be impossible to find now. The Kaukau shows its digital origins, it's far mor mechanical than the other five masks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSciFiGuy Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Technically they wore all the masks anyways, but I understand where you are coming from. I don't think they "swapped" out ideas. Each have character development and their mask design to represent their element/style/"culture". Quote Bionicle: ANP aims to create narrated versions of all the Bionicle books, with voice actors for each character, and music taken from various media to enhance the story. Check here if you're interested in voicing a character, and here for the chapters that've already been released!Formerly: Tahu Nuva 3.0Looking for a Bionicle Beanie. Black one with the symbol on it. Contact me if you are willing to sell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegoSWfan Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Perhaps Pakaris don't look good in green? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuuli Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Perhaps Pakaris don't look good in green?Wrong buddy. They look amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnderscoreChronix Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 (edited) Fun Fact: The Vahi was originally going to be Tahu's mask, but they replaced it with the mask you see now and made the Vahi something totally different. There's actually some concept art somewhere showing Tahu awakening wearing the prototype Vahi. It was the first mask LEGO ever designed. Edited March 23, 2015 by -Chronix Master of Stuff- 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuuli Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Fun Fact: The Vahi was originally going to be Tahu's mask, but they replaced it with the mask you see now and made the Vahi something totally different. There's actually some concept art somewhere showing Tahu awakening wearing the prototype Vahi. It was the first mask LEGO ever designed.Get it? The mask has a "T" for tahu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master of Lehrak Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Are there links or picture to what you mentioned? Quote Master of Lehrak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jed1ndy Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 Are there links or picture to what you mentioned?There is now! I've added links to said pictures in the OP. Quote "The Kingslayer"Complete Okoto Alphabet + Okotoan Symbols | Infrared's Okoto Font | SDCC Semi-Live Coverage —————————BZPGOT S1 KILLS————————— Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegoSWfan Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Fun Fact: The Vahi was originally going to be Tahu's mask, but they replaced it with the mask you see now and made the Vahi something totally different. There's actually some concept art somewhere showing Tahu awakening wearing the prototype Vahi. It was the first mask LEGO ever designed.Get it? The mask has a "T" for tahuI always thought it looked like cheese. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master of Lehrak Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Are there links or picture to what you mentioned?There is now! I've added links to said pictures in the OP. Thanks! Quote Master of Lehrak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeb Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Fun Fact: The Vahi was originally going to be Tahu's mask, but they replaced it with the mask you see now and made the Vahi something totally different. There's actually some concept art somewhere showing Tahu awakening wearing the prototype Vahi. It was the first mask LEGO ever designed.Get it? The mask has a "T" for tahuI always thought it looked like cheese. Tahu: Master of Cheese. 1 Quote The artist formerly known as ŜﮞρЄЯ־GЄNіﮞŜ־CЯЄ▲Ŧ۞Я BBC#69 Entry: Roodaka - Master of Manipulation BFTGM entries: Zigben · Ventox · Deflecto “Hail Denmark.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegoSWfan Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 Eat cheddar! Makuta! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
operater139 Posted March 26, 2015 Share Posted March 26, 2015 From what I remember, I don't think so. Quote I had some link on here to a fanfic I wrote about Bionicle posted on BzP about 8 years ago, sadly that hyperlink didn't work anymore. Anyways, I've been on this site for more than 10 years.. who would've thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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