Toa Powers Questions.

[Jobber]

1. How much can the average Toa lift over their heads? What about stone/earth Toa?

What if a Toa like Tahu used a Nova Blast on Earth?

Can any Toa/Toa Team bust a planet?

[ineverlikedfelt]

1. I can't answer that.

2. At least a city - an entire continent depends on how much energy the Toa has at the time.

3. Define bust. Then I can answer that.

[Makuta Miras]

1. About a ton.

2. Big explosion.

3. Just get a Toa of Gravity to go Nova.

[Regitnui]

(All answers are headcanon)

 

1. Upwards of 250kg; a matoran sphere with a matoran inside seemed to give Matau Metru, likely one of the weaker Toa in his team, little trouble except for its size. Onua Mata, without a Pakari, could likely lift 350kg, maybe 500+ with his pakari; the average small family car.

 

2. Hiroshima, New Orleans, Chernobyl, Phuket (Boxing Day Tsunami). Enough of a picture?

 

3. Can they? If they tried, putting their mind to it, I'm sure any standard six-member team can do serious damage. A Toa Nui would have been able to bust open the MU, going by fan consensus. Would they? No.

[Cwog]

All I know is that Toa can mess you up! Matoran are average people, so I imagine them being around 2 meters tall. Toa, by comparison, would be 4 meters tall. That, plus Toa energy, plus armor and weapons... ouch

[Mjolnitor]

All I know is that Toa can mess you up! Matoran are average people, so I imagine them being around 2 meters tall.

Absolutely wrong.

[Toa of Ice - 1987]

Nova Blast: by what has been depicted in the 2003 bionicle the game, i'd determine that a Nova Blast has a effective radius of at least 5 city block areas but you have to know generally it's not explosions. Fire would commonly cause concrete and masonry to be at least close to melting point and glass windows would shatter from the intense heat....imagine the scene from terminator 2 where arnold arrives through the portal and notice how the heat from the sphere melted/disintegrated part of the truck cabs. That's the sort of damage a fire blast does

 

• Water: Expect huge ammount of streets to be flooded, sewer pipes overfilled from excess water and things to be swept away.
• Air: You'll get a massive tornado strength storm that rips through the area and causes damage.
• Earth: Either a massive area gets buried violently or the soil weakens and any buildings and object might collapse into a sinkhole depending what control the user has over it.
• Stone: Massive ammount of stones will be launched violently similar to hundreds of fragmentation grenades produce shards of metal. Better clear the area before chunks of fragments rip through buildings and damaged concrete and other stuff will fly/fall through the air
• Ice: probably causes a violent effect of ice-shards and the inmediate area will be frozen solid or frozen badly enough that everything caught in the radius has become brittle. 

Edited April 6, 2015 by ---Kopaka Nuva---

[Cwog]

 

All I know is that Toa can mess you up! Matoran are average people, so I imagine them being around 2 meters tall.

Absolutely wrong.

 

Well, I'd appreciate it if you told me how I was wrong, otherwise I don't know what to do with that information.

[Makuta Miras]

From some quick calculations, Toa are 2.192 metres tall; 1 bio is 1.37 metres, and Toa are 1.6 bio tall.

[SPIRIT]

 

1. How much can the average Toa lift over their heads? What about stone/earth Toa?
2. What if a Toa like Tahu used a Nova Blast on Earth?
3. Can any Toa/Toa Team bust a planet?

 

1a) Unknown.  They can probably lift as much as the storyline requires them to lift.  If I had to guess, I'd say about as much as a human athlete, but as we have no idea the relative weight of things, there's no way to know for sure.  I mean, everything is made of large amounts of metal, so it's probably all very heavy, but we just don't know.  Generally, we don't see Toa using their physical strength all that much (non-violence policy and all that), because they seem to rely more on their elemental powers.  We also don't really have a sense of whether the creatures of the Matoran Universe can train their muscles in a way humans can.  While their muscles are likely organic and might follow the rules of human muscles, Greg never went into much detail on their physiology.

 

1b) Toa of Earth are no stronger than the average Toa.  Onua had a Mask of Strength, which made him appear stronger than average, but Whenua would not have been physically stronger than Nuju, for instance.  Toa of Stone, on the other hand, might be different.  According to the Encyclopedia, the special ability of Po-Matoran is that they have greater physical strength than other Matoran (personally, I think this is silly, and they should've been given the ability to sense fractures in stone -- which is a canon ability that Toa of Stone have and would've made sense for them being carvers, but that's besides the point).  Toa of Stone would probably share this increased strength as well.  Pohatu, for instance, was pitched to the Gen 1 story as being like the Thing from Fantastic 4.

 

tl;dr: We don't know how strong Toa are, but Toa of Stone are probably the strongest.

 

2) Lots of fire.  See also 1883 eruption of Krakatoa.

 

3) Probably depends who's on the Toa team.  A Toa of Gravity, for instance, could make a black hole that would certainly create a lot of havoc.  Combine that with Toa of Stone, Earth, and Plasma and you could probably break a planet.  It would probably take a lot of time, though -- planets are very big.

 

 

 

Nova Blast: by what has been depicted in the 2003 bionicle the game, i'd determine that a Nova Blast has a effective radius of at least 5 city block areas but you have to know generally it's not explosions.

You're actually thinking of a Nuva Blast, which really only exists in that game.  It's not really the same thing as a Nova Blast, which is multitudes more powerful and takes much longer to charge up for, explaining why Gali and Onua can spam them every minute or so.  I mean, the Nova Blast may have been based on the Nuva Blast, but the story treats Nuva Blasts much differently.

 

I'd also say that the radius is much more than 5 city blocks.  Gali used her Nova Blast to wipe out the entire island of Karzahni so it seems like they have a fairly wide range.

 

 

 

All I know is that Toa can mess you up! Matoran are average people, so I imagine them being around 2 meters tall.

Absolutely wrong.

 

Well, I'd appreciate it if you told me how I was wrong, otherwise I don't know what to do with that information.

 

You are correct, Toa are about 2 metres tall.  Maybe Mjolintor thought you meant the Matoran are 2 metres tall?

 

Also, Matoran are much shorter than Toa.  While they're the "average people" of the Mata Nui Robot, on Earth they would be shorter than the average adult human.  Once again, because we lack any context of the weight of things, we don't know how strong either Matoran or Toa are compared to humans, just that Toa are stronger.

[Prowl Nightwolf]

 

• How much can the average Toa lift over their heads? What about stone/earth Toa?
• What if a Toa like Tahu used a Nova Blast on Earth?
• Can any Toa/Toa Team bust a planet?

1b) Toa of Earth are no stronger than the average Toa.  Onua had a Mask of Strength, which made him appear stronger than average, but Whenua would not have been physically stronger than Nuju, for instance.  Toa of Stone, on the other hand, might be different.  According to the Encyclopedia, the special ability of Po-Matoran is that they have greater physical strength than other Matoran (personally, I think this is silly, and they should've been given the ability to sense fractures in stone -- which is a canon ability that Toa of Stone have and would've made sense for them being carvers, but that's besides the point).  Toa of Stone would probably share this increased strength as well.  Pohatu, for instance, was pitched to the Gen 1 story as being like the Thing from Fantastic 4.

 

"Toa of Earth are no stronger than the average Toa"

*Cough* Wrong *Cough* Actually While the Po-Matoran race are the strongest physically. Onu-Matoran are a close second.

 

Onu-Matoran often prefer to stay underground; they also possess a strength greater than most types of Matoran, though not as much as some,

Po-Matoran represent the element of Stone. Po-Matoran also contain a very minuscule amount of Elemental Stone Energy, to the extent that they are stronger than other types of Matoran. All Matoran, Toa, and Turaga of Stone are male.

Onu-Matoran represent the element of Earth and come in shades of black, gray, purple, orange, and tan. Onu-Matoran also contain a very minuscule amount of elemental Earth energy, to the extent that they are able to sense vibrations in the ground and have excellent night vision. They are also physically stronger than some other types of Matoran, though they are not as strong as Po-Matoran.

All Matoran, Toa, and Turaga of Earth are male.

 

Onua was quite strong even without use of his Pakari. His mask only amplified his strength even more. Whether as a multiple or just to a much higher level I do not know. The Stone line are the strongest Physically of all the Matoran. Followed closely by the Earth line and then the rest in what ever order they fall under. As for Pohatu, his "strength" was centered in his legs and feet. Not sure about his arms or back...

[SPIRIT]

"Toa of Earth are no stronger than the average Toa"

*Cough* Wrong *Cough* Actually While the Po-Matoran race are the strongest physically. Onu-Matoran are a close second.

Onu-Matoran often prefer to stay underground; they also possess a strength greater than most types of Matoran, though not as much as some,

Po-Matoran represent the element of Stone. Po-Matoran also contain a very minuscule amount of Elemental Stone Energy, to the extent that they are stronger than other types of Matoran. All Matoran, Toa, and Turaga of Stone are male.

Onu-Matoran represent the element of Earth and come in shades of black, gray, purple, orange, and tan. Onu-Matoran also contain a very minuscule amount of elemental Earth energy, to the extent that they are able to sense vibrations in the ground and have excellent night vision. They are also physically stronger than some other types of Matoran, though they are not as strong as Po-Matoran.

All Matoran, Toa, and Turaga of Earth are male.

 

Onua was quite strong even without use of his Pakari. His mask only amplified his strength even more. Whether as a multiple or just to a much higher level I do not know. The Stone line are the strongest Physically of all the Matoran. Followed closely by the Earth line and then the rest in what ever order they fall under. As for Pohatu, his "strength" was centered in his legs and feet. Not sure about his arms or back...

 

Not to cast aspersions on BS01's credibility, but I do not recall reading that in the Encyclopedia.  I don't have a copy on hand so if anyone can prove otherwise, by all means feel free to do so.  Taipu does come to mind as an unusually strong Onu-Matoran, but I wouldn't say that applies to all Onu-Matoran.

 

Like I said, I could be wrong. I'd just like to see some evidence beyond BS01.

Edited April 7, 2015 by SPIRIT

[Toa of Ice - 1987]

 

 

Nova Blast: by what has been depicted in the 2003 bionicle the game, i'd determine that a Nova Blast has a effective radius of at least 5 city block areas but you have to know generally it's not explosions.

You're actually thinking of a Nuva Blast, which really only exists in that game.  It's not really the same thing as a Nova Blast, which is multitudes more powerful and takes much longer to charge up for, explaining why Gali and Onua can spam them every minute or so.  I mean, the Nova Blast may have been based on the Nuva Blast, but the story treats Nuva Blasts much differently.

 

I'd also say that the radius is much more than 5 city blocks.  Gali used her Nova Blast to wipe out the entire island of Karzahni so it seems like they have a fairly wide range.

Thanks for clearing that up, i forgot all about that one difference and was thinking on a completely wrong powerscale

[Cwog]

 

 

1. How much can the average Toa lift over their heads? What about stone/earth Toa?
2. What if a Toa like Tahu used a Nova Blast on Earth?
3. Can any Toa/Toa Team bust a planet?

 

1a) Unknown.  They can probably lift as much as the storyline requires them to lift.  If I had to guess, I'd say about as much as a human athlete, but as we have no idea the relative weight of things, there's no way to know for sure.  I mean, everything is made of large amounts of metal, so it's probably all very heavy, but we just don't know.  Generally, we don't see Toa using their physical strength all that much (non-violence policy and all that), because they seem to rely more on their elemental powers.  We also don't really have a sense of whether the creatures of the Matoran Universe can train their muscles in a way humans can.  While their muscles are likely organic and might follow the rules of human muscles, Greg never went into much detail on their physiology.

 

1b) Toa of Earth are no stronger than the average Toa.  Onua had a Mask of Strength, which made him appear stronger than average, but Whenua would not have been physically stronger than Nuju, for instance.  Toa of Stone, on the other hand, might be different.  According to the Encyclopedia, the special ability of Po-Matoran is that they have greater physical strength than other Matoran (personally, I think this is silly, and they should've been given the ability to sense fractures in stone -- which is a canon ability that Toa of Stone have and would've made sense for them being carvers, but that's besides the point).  Toa of Stone would probably share this increased strength as well.  Pohatu, for instance, was pitched to the Gen 1 story as being like the Thing from Fantastic 4.

 

tl;dr: We don't know how strong Toa are, but Toa of Stone are probably the strongest.

 

2) Lots of fire.  See also 1883 eruption of Krakatoa.

 

3) Probably depends who's on the Toa team.  A Toa of Gravity, for instance, could make a black hole that would certainly create a lot of havoc.  Combine that with Toa of Stone, Earth, and Plasma and you could probably break a planet.  It would probably take a lot of time, though -- planets are very big.

 

 

 

Nova Blast: by what has been depicted in the 2003 bionicle the game, i'd determine that a Nova Blast has a effective radius of at least 5 city block areas but you have to know generally it's not explosions.

You're actually thinking of a Nuva Blast, which really only exists in that game.  It's not really the same thing as a Nova Blast, which is multitudes more powerful and takes much longer to charge up for, explaining why Gali and Onua can spam them every minute or so.  I mean, the Nova Blast may have been based on the Nuva Blast, but the story treats Nuva Blasts much differently.

 

I'd also say that the radius is much more than 5 city blocks.  Gali used her Nova Blast to wipe out the entire island of Karzahni so it seems like they have a fairly wide range.

 

 

 

All I know is that Toa can mess you up! Matoran are average people, so I imagine them being around 2 meters tall.

Absolutely wrong.

 

Well, I'd appreciate it if you told me how I was wrong, otherwise I don't know what to do with that information.

 

You are correct, Toa are about 2 metres tall.  Maybe Mjolintor thought you meant the Matoran are 2 metres tall?

 

Also, Matoran are much shorter than Toa.  While they're the "average people" of the Mata Nui Robot, on Earth they would be shorter than the average adult human.  Once again, because we lack any context of the weight of things, we don't know how strong either Matoran or Toa are compared to humans, just that Toa are stronger.

 

Thanks for defending me, Spirit, but I actually did claim that Matoran are 2 meters tall, and that Toa are 4 meters tall. I was completely wrong, but I didn't know why at the time. Well, now I know!

[Akavakaku]

"Bust a planet?" I don't think there were ever enough Toa in existence for that. A Nova blast seems a bit like a small atomic bomb, let's say 100 Terajoules. The most explosive volcanic eruption in recorded history released 800 000 Terajoules. The asteroid impact suspected of killing the dinosaurs released 500 billion Terajoules.

 

http://36.media.tumblr.com/4b0280a59bc09611acc7f5c0d6502692/tumblr_mtu657xXAg1rnq3cto3_1280.jpg

See that big yellowish circle on Mercury? That's the impact crater of a collision that released 100 trillion Terajoules, and that's a conservative estimate. Nowhere near planet-destroying, even for just a small planet. A trillion Toa would have to use simultaneous Nova blasts to leave a mark as great as that crater. I think the planets are safe.

[Makuta Miras]

"Bust a planet?" I don't think there were ever enough Toa in existence for that. A Nova blast seems a bit like a small atomic bomb, let's say 100 Terajoules. The most explosive volcanic eruption in recorded history released 800 000 Terajoules. The asteroid impact suspected of killing the dinosaurs released 500 billion Terajoules.

 

http://36.media.tumblr.com/4b0280a59bc09611acc7f5c0d6502692/tumblr_mtu657xXAg1rnq3cto3_1280.jpg

See that big yellowish circle on Mercury? That's the impact crater of a collision that released 100 trillion Terajoules, and that's a conservative estimate. Nowhere near planet-destroying, even for just a small planet. A trillion Toa would have to use simultaneous Nova blasts to leave a mark as great as that crater. I think the planets are safe.

But the thing is, Nova blasts aren't just miscellaneous explosions; they're a release of a Toa's element, which is why a Toa of Gravity could easily destroy a planet by going nova; that much gravity creates an instant black hole, and black holes are more than capable of consuming entire planets, and even stars.

[Cwog]

 

"Bust a planet?" I don't think there were ever enough Toa in existence for that. A Nova blast seems a bit like a small atomic bomb, let's say 100 Terajoules. The most explosive volcanic eruption in recorded history released 800 000 Terajoules. The asteroid impact suspected of killing the dinosaurs released 500 billion Terajoules.

 

http://36.media.tumblr.com/4b0280a59bc09611acc7f5c0d6502692/tumblr_mtu657xXAg1rnq3cto3_1280.jpg

See that big yellowish circle on Mercury? That's the impact crater of a collision that released 100 trillion Terajoules, and that's a conservative estimate. Nowhere near planet-destroying, even for just a small planet. A trillion Toa would have to use simultaneous Nova blasts to leave a mark as great as that crater. I think the planets are safe.

But the thing is, Nova blasts aren't just miscellaneous explosions; they're a release of a Toa's element, which is why a Toa of Gravity could easily destroy a planet by going nova; that much gravity creates an instant black hole, and black holes are more than capable of consuming entire planets, and even stars.

 

Toa of Gravity are not to be messed with. However, I think that going back to six core elements was a good choice for the reboot. The other elements got kinda ridiculous later on.

[Prowl Nightwolf]

Not to cast aspersions on BS01's credibility, but I do not recall reading that in the Encyclopedia.  I don't have a copy on hand so if anyone can prove otherwise, by all means feel free to do so.  Taipu does come to mind as an unusually strong Onu-Matoran, but I wouldn't say that applies to all Onu-Matoran.

 

Like I said, I could be wrong. I'd just like to see some evidence beyond BS01.

Yeah there isn't actually reference links to this knowledge so not sure where it comes from. I just remember reading it there and there was another topic talking about who was actually stronger Pohatu or Onua. I only have the online resources to pull from as I don't have a hard copy of anything.

 

 

 

"Bust a planet?" I don't think there were ever enough Toa in existence for that. A Nova blast seems a bit like a small atomic bomb, let's say 100 Terajoules. The most explosive volcanic eruption in recorded history released 800 000 Terajoules. The asteroid impact suspected of killing the dinosaurs released 500 billion Terajoules.

 

http://36.media.tumblr.com/4b0280a59bc09611acc7f5c0d6502692/tumblr_mtu657xXAg1rnq3cto3_1280.jpg

See that big yellowish circle on Mercury? That's the impact crater of a collision that released 100 trillion Terajoules, and that's a conservative estimate. Nowhere near planet-destroying, even for just a small planet. A trillion Toa would have to use simultaneous Nova blasts to leave a mark as great as that crater. I think the planets are safe.

But the thing is, Nova blasts aren't just miscellaneous explosions; they're a release of a Toa's element, which is why a Toa of Gravity could easily destroy a planet by going nova; that much gravity creates an instant black hole, and black holes are more than capable of consuming entire planets, and even stars.

 

Toa of Gravity are not to be messed with. However, I think that going back to six core elements was a good choice for the reboot. The other elements got kinda ridiculous later on.

 

I'll have to take your word for that. Though I don't think they had more than 6 elements the first year of Gen1 either. 8 if you count light and shadow. So depending on how we do with the Gen2 reboot, they could easily add other elements to the mix later on.

[Cwog]

Seriously, though! Like, a Toa of Psionics? That's just foolish. I like sticking to Fire, Water, Ice, Stone, Earth, and Jungle (which encompasses the powers of Air and The Green).

[Jobber]

I think the Toa of Sonics and Toa of Psionics were wasted potential. A handful of 'em could easily take out a Toa Team or a Makuta. 

[Cwog]

Yeah, I would always see those extra elements on BS01, but were they used much in the storyline? I've said it before that I was pretty young during the original story, and didn't follow it out of what was on Bionicle.com and tidbits I read on BS01.

[Naota Takizawa]

I bet you could kill a toa of sonics just by banging your weapons together until he's incapacitated from the loud sounds damaging his sensitive hearing.

[Sergei Rahkmaninoff]

Probably not. Toa of Sonics can absorb sound (because that makes lots of sense!). You'd just be empowering him.

[Ford]

Probably not. Toa of Sonics can absorb sound (because that makes lots of sense!). You'd just be empowering him.

That brings up a question that I have: How do you limit the abilities of a Toa of Sonics?

 

As an example, you could limit a Toa of Water's abilities to control and absorb water by cutting off moisture to a certain room they are in. In the case of a Toa of Sonics, would you have to place them in a room with heavily insulated walls?

[Ballom Nom Nom]

 

Probably not. Toa of Sonics can absorb sound (because that makes lots of sense!). You'd just be empowering him.

That brings up a question that I have: How do you limit the abilities of a Toa of Sonics?

 

As an example, you could limit a Toa of Water's abilities to control and absorb water by cutting off moisture to a certain room they are in. In the case of a Toa of Sonics, would you have to place them in a room with heavily insulated walls?

I wonder if a Shelek would work to incapacitate a Toa of Sonics. Sure, sound waves would still exist around the Toa, but they'd be blind to them, which would probably make it difficult to use their powers or absorb sound.

 

~B~

[Sharnak the Bohrok Lord]

3) What do you mean by "busting a planet"? Are we talking about Dragon Ball Z levels of power, exterminating all life on the Earth?

 

Any Toa could cause great havoc on the environment if he or she was malicious enough to do it. That said, I don't think any Toa would be able to annihilate all life on the planet. To put this in perspective, while don't have exact numbers on them, let's say a Nova Blast could destroy all of Tokyo. It one of the largest cities in the world, with an area of 845 squared miles. The surface area of the Earth, however? 196.9 million squared miles.

 

A Toa posses great power and could be seen as a walking nuclear bomb. However, even if every nuclear bomb went off at once, the Earth would still be intact and life would go on, despite what post-apocalyptic stories would have you believe. Even when considering Toa of Gravity making black holes, I don't think they operate on real-world science. If not, everything on Mata Nui should have died when Nuvohk-Kal imploded in on itself.

[Akavakaku]

Technically, a black hole doesn't need to be that massive. "Small" black holes are impossible in nature, but with gravity control you could easily create a source of gravitation concentrated at an infintessimal point. Not exactly a "real" black hole, since it initially has no matter, but long story short, black holes don't have to be cataclysmic.

[Prowl Nightwolf]

Technically, a black hole doesn't need to be that massive. "Small" black holes are impossible in nature, but with gravity control you could easily create a source of gravitation concentrated at an infintessimal point. Not exactly a "real" black hole, since it initially has no matter, but long story short, black holes don't have to be cataclysmic.

I think you mean that small black holes are possible in nature. Because they are very real. That is if you believe in the multi-dimensional theories out there. a small yet still powerful black hole could be right next to you and you'd never know it because you are not in the right plain of existence or something like that. Some people even believe that the Bermuda Triangle has a black hole hidden within it somewhere thus where all the missing ships and planes. It links to the Dragon Triangle over on the other side of the world and also perhaps alien worlds and dimensions.

[Sergei Rahkmaninoff]

 

 

Probably not. Toa of Sonics can absorb sound (because that makes lots of sense!). You'd just be empowering him.

That brings up a question that I have: How do you limit the abilities of a Toa of Sonics?

 

As an example, you could limit a Toa of Water's abilities to control and absorb water by cutting off moisture to a certain room they are in. In the case of a Toa of Sonics, would you have to place them in a room with heavily insulated walls?

I wonder if a Shelek would work to incapacitate a Toa of Sonics. Sure, sound waves would still exist around the Toa, but they'd be blind to them, which would probably make it difficult to use their powers or absorb sound.

 

~B~

 

 

Or, if you're a Makuta, you could use the Kraata power of Silence. Even a level 6 Silence Kraata can 'temporarily deafen a Toa Nuva,' so a much more powerful Makuta could probably completely nullify a Toa of Sonics' powers.

 

(Come to think of it, why would Chirox even wear a Shelek when he could just use his power of Silence and have a different mask that does something he can't do?)

[Irrie]

 

 

 

 

Probably not. Toa of Sonics can absorb sound (because that makes lots of sense!). You'd just be empowering him.

That brings up a question that I have: How do you limit the abilities of a Toa of Sonics?

 

As an example, you could limit a Toa of Water's abilities to control and absorb water by cutting off moisture to a certain room they are in. In the case of a Toa of Sonics, would you have to place them in a room with heavily insulated walls?

I wonder if a Shelek would work to incapacitate a Toa of Sonics. Sure, sound waves would still exist around the Toa, but they'd be blind to them, which would probably make it difficult to use their powers or absorb sound.

 

~B~

Or, if you're a Makuta, you could use the Kraata power of Silence. Even a level 6 Silence Kraata can 'temporarily deafen a Toa Nuva,' so a much more powerful Makuta could probably completely nullify a Toa of Sonics' powers.

 

(Come to think of it, why would Chirox even wear a Shelek when he could just use his power of Silence and have a different mask that does something he can't do?)

If I'm not mistaken, the Shelek makes the target deaf and mute. It appears that the Kraata power only makes the target deaf.

[RAMPANT]

~snip~

As for Pohatu, his "strength" was centered in his legs and feet. Not sure about his arms or back...

 

In Tale of The Toa he shattered a cliff face with his fists when kicking bits off wasn't fast enough.

[Sergei Rahkmaninoff]

 

 

 

 

Probably not. Toa of Sonics can absorb sound (because that makes lots of sense!). You'd just be empowering him.

That brings up a question that I have: How do you limit the abilities of a Toa of Sonics?

 

As an example, you could limit a Toa of Water's abilities to control and absorb water by cutting off moisture to a certain room they are in. In the case of a Toa of Sonics, would you have to place them in a room with heavily insulated walls?

I wonder if a Shelek would work to incapacitate a Toa of Sonics. Sure, sound waves would still exist around the Toa, but they'd be blind to them, which would probably make it difficult to use their powers or absorb sound.

 

~B~

Or, if you're a Makuta, you could use the Kraata power of Silence. Even a level 6 Silence Kraata can 'temporarily deafen a Toa Nuva,' so a much more powerful Makuta could probably completely nullify a Toa of Sonics' powers.

 

(Come to think of it, why would Chirox even wear a Shelek when he could just use his power of Silence and have a different mask that does something he can't do?)

If I'm not mistaken, the Shelek makes the target deaf and mute. It appears that the Kraata power only makes the target deaf.

 

 

Hmm... I must respectfully disagree. Lower levels of the Silence Kraata power (I copied level six from BS01) have "the ability to absorb all sound in a small area at will." (That's level 5 according to BS01.) To me that seems to mean that all sound would be negated, not just a target deafened, and at level six, Shadow Kraata, and Makuta level the effect would only be stronger.

[Irrie]

 

 

 

 

 

Probably not. Toa of Sonics can absorb sound (because that makes lots of sense!). You'd just be empowering him.

That brings up a question that I have: How do you limit the abilities of a Toa of Sonics?

 

As an example, you could limit a Toa of Water's abilities to control and absorb water by cutting off moisture to a certain room they are in. In the case of a Toa of Sonics, would you have to place them in a room with heavily insulated walls?

I wonder if a Shelek would work to incapacitate a Toa of Sonics. Sure, sound waves would still exist around the Toa, but they'd be blind to them, which would probably make it difficult to use their powers or absorb sound.

 

~B~

Or, if you're a Makuta, you could use the Kraata power of Silence. Even a level 6 Silence Kraata can 'temporarily deafen a Toa Nuva,' so a much more powerful Makuta could probably completely nullify a Toa of Sonics' powers.

 

(Come to think of it, why would Chirox even wear a Shelek when he could just use his power of Silence and have a different mask that does something he can't do?)

If I'm not mistaken, the Shelek makes the target deaf and mute. It appears that the Kraata power only makes the target deaf.

 

 

Hmm... I must respectfully disagree. Lower levels of the Silence Kraata power (I copied level six from BS01) have "the ability to absorb all sound in a small area at will." (That's level 5 according to BS01.) To me that seems to mean that all sound would be negated, not just a target deafened, and at level six, Shadow Kraata, and Makuta level the effect would only be stronger.

 

Ah, you're correct I see. It's been a while since I've read up on the Kraata powers. :/

Anyway, you do have a good point in that Chirox and Mutran don't need to use their masks. A plausible reason is that they were aware of the pit mutagen's affects on their Kraata powers and they wanted to use masks that would be able to give them one of the abilities that they could possibly lose. 

[fishers64]

Remember that Makuta can only use one of their Kraata abilities at once. Chirox could use the power of Silence and another of his Kraata abilities if that was his mask, instead of forfeiting use of his other powers.

Edited April 12, 2015 by fishers64

[Prowl Nightwolf]

 

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As for Pohatu, his "strength" was centered in his legs and feet. Not sure about his arms or back...

In Tale of The Toa he shattered a cliff face with his fists when kicking bits off wasn't fast enough.

 

I stand here newly informed. I was unaware that Pohatu carried such prowess within his dimpy T-rex looking arms.

[ToaKapura1234]

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(Come to think of it, why would Chirox even wear a Shelek when he could just use his power of Silence and have a different mask that does something he can't do?)

If I'm not mistaken, the Shelek makes the target deaf and mute. It appears that the Kraata power only makes the target deaf.

Hmm... I must respectfully disagree. Lower levels of the Silence Kraata power (I copied level six from BS01) have "the ability to absorb all sound in a small area at will." (That's level 5 according to BS01.) To me that seems to mean that all sound would be negated, not just a target deafened, and at level six, Shadow Kraata, and Makuta level the effect would only be stronger.

Ah, you're correct I see. It's been a while since I've read up on the Kraata powers. :/

Anyway, you do have a good point in that Chirox and Mutran don't need to use their masks. A plausible reason is that they were aware of the pit mutagen's affects on their Kraata powers and they wanted to use masks that would be able to give them one of the abilities that they could possibly lose.

Same reason Makuta wears a Kraahkan with Shadow, fear and anger powers, all of which he already has or that anybody wears a cape. It's a symbol of power and prestige not a source of that power. And wouldn't vacuum better incapacitate a Toa of Sonics?

 

tldr; because it looks cool

 

 

Yeah, I would always see those extra elements on BS01, but were they used much in the storyline? I've said it before that I was pretty young during the original story, and didn't follow it out of what was on Bionicle.com and tidbits I read on BS01.

 

They were used but not very much and generally just small references with only side stories featuring them in main roles. They got no sets and were never in the comics and I believe had no mor than cameos in the books. Mostly just used in serials and other little short stories.

Edited April 14, 2015 by ToaKapura1234

[Owlexander]

All I know is that Toa can mess you up! Matoran are average people, so I imagine them being around 2 meters tall. Toa, by comparison, would be 4 meters tall. That, plus Toa energy, plus armor and weapons... ouch

 

Owch is putting it lightly...

[Akavakaku]

No, Toa are 2M tall. Matoran are cyborg hobbits.

[Cwog]

 

All I know is that Toa can mess you up! Matoran are average people, so I imagine them being around 2 meters tall. Toa, by comparison, would be 4 meters tall. That, plus Toa energy, plus armor and weapons... ouch

 

Owch is putting it lightly...

 

 

No, Toa are 2M tall. Matoran are cyborg hobbits.

Yeah, that was cleared up a little while ago. However, 2 meters with full body armor, elemental powers, and kick-butt weapons is still a huge dose of ouch.