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So, it's common knowledge that the GSR is roughly 40 million feet tall, which is absolutely absurd, but then I realized something;

 

What if we're getting the actual size sets? As in, what if Glatorian Mata Nui really is only 8 inches tall? 

 

(NOTE: This is, of course, assuming one build has more canonicity to it than others, in this case, the build of Mata Nui in his Inika form)

 

 
We know that the GSR is 40 million feet tall. Converting that into inches gives us a height of 480 million inches. To compare, the Inika build Mata Nui, who is stated to be a Toa, stands at roughly 8 inches tall. The average Toa is roughly 1.6 meters, or 63 inches, so we know that from 8 to 63, the scale factor is 7.875. Dividing the height of the GSR by this scale factor gives us 60,952,380 inches, or roughly 5 million feet (5,079,365) tall.
 
To compare, Australia is about 4000 kilometers wide, or about 13 million feet. Therefore, the GSR, if scaled, is less than half the width of Australia, which is a much more reasonable number. In fact, converting the GSR to the scale of all but the freakishly large ones gives us a much better number than 40 million.

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That would make it more realistic when people Agori say they witnessed the GSR-PR battle. Less of the bodies would be above the clouds and it would be easier to identify them as robots instead of gigantic pillars of stone.

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And the glatorian and agori are living on a 'planet' how big? As far as interesting, really, this theory is, if Spherus Magna is of a reasonable size, it would be so incredibly, mind-boggingly large for someone the size of an agori that they would know or have explored pretty much none of it. If, on the other hand, we scale down the planet, too, problems with gravity and mass concerning the giant robots and their battle would present again.

 

Aside from this, what about the Great Beings? We have never seen them, okay, but how do you think they'll look? Eight inches or something more...humanly?

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Dude, are you a mind-reader? I was literally talking about this exact theory today with my friend. We came up with the theory that the Great Beings are actually just normal super intelligent life forms who make little mini robots (MU inhabitants) to construct a giant robot (GSR) for some scientific experiment of sorts. That would be so cool, considering that sets would be 1:1 scale to the real thing. The only difference between our theories is that you consider the Great Beings to be 8 inches tall while we said that they are roughly actual human-sized.

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You know, this theory would make perfect sense... if you throw out all the key information from the storyline, foremost of which is the fact that the Toa/Matoran were eye-to-eye with the Glatorian/Agori following the evacuation from the robot. In other words, you're suggesting that Spherus Magna is populated solely by a bunch of pixie-sized villagers.

 

 

Also, can someone explain why the giant robots' legs would look like stone pillars? First off, they were metal and fashioned a specific way, so they would look too defined to be massive rock formations. And consider that the robots were fully capable of moving around--one of them was knocked down at one point!--so anyone witnessing them would have known right away what they were. Sure, it'd be a lot to take in, but it would be fairly obvious that they were something alive (one way or another).

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Too much science. You're all overthinking it.

 

You try adding real-world calculations to Bionicle and all you're going to do is give yourselves a headache. 

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I just noticed an error in your math:

 

 
We know that the GSR is 40 million feet tall. Converting that into inches gives us a height of 480 million inches. To compare, the Inika build Mata Nui, who is stated to be a Toa, stands at roughly 8 inches tall. The average Toa is roughly 1.6 meters, or 63 inches, so we know that from 8 to 63, the scale factor is 7.875. Dividing the height of the GSR by this scale factor gives us 60,952,380 inches, or roughly 5 million feet (5,079,365) tall.
 

63 / 12 = 5.25, or just a little over 5 feet. A Toa is 7 feet, so you meant to say roughly 84 inches. :)

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The idea of 8-inches tall intelligent people on an Earth-sized planet still looks...funny, to me. To travel across the Bara Magna region in the time we've seen in the movie and such, for such small people, means that the area must be quite small itself.

Speaking for those who read any of the novels (Legend Reborn included), those trips between the villages took days/weeks, rather than the hours that some presume it to be ;)

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The idea of 8-inches tall intelligent people on an Earth-sized planet still looks...funny, to me. To travel across the Bara Magna region in the time we've seen in the movie and such, for such small people, means that the area must be quite small itself.

Speaking for those who read any of the novels (Legend Reborn included), those trips between the villages took days/weeks, rather than the hours that some presume it to be ;)

 

I don't know if we have any details on how big Bara Magna exactly is, but, to make a comparison, even a trip across Australia on a motorbike can take a few days.

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The idea of 8-inches tall intelligent people on an Earth-sized planet still looks...funny, to me. To travel across the Bara Magna region in the time we've seen in the movie and such, for such small people, means that the area must be quite small itself.

Speaking for those who read any of the novels (Legend Reborn included), those trips between the villages took days/weeks, rather than the hours that some presume it to be ;)

 

I don't know if we have any details on how big Bara Magna exactly is, but, to make a comparison, even a trip across Australia on a motorbike can take a few days.

 

And the area we saw on the official map was only a small portion of the whole planet. You'll recall that farther north was the Valley of the Maze (easily a journey of many days, if the accounts of Tarduk and Mata Nui were anything to go by), and there were also two giant holes where sections of the planet used to be. So, we were only ever seeing one small section of an otherwise massive celestial body. 

 

Like if I were to write a story that took place on the East coast of the US, I'd present a map that shows key locations in the story somewhere in the book. A map of the whole planet is not necessary, because the rest of it is irrelevant to the story being told. Similarly, we only ever saw the parts of it where the story took place--there was far more that we never saw--or even needed to see.

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The idea of 8-inches tall intelligent people on an Earth-sized planet still looks...funny, to me. To travel across the Bara Magna region in the time we've seen in the movie and such, for such small people, means that the area must be quite small itself.

Speaking for those who read any of the novels (Legend Reborn included), those trips between the villages took days/weeks, rather than the hours that some presume it to be ;)

 

I don't know if we have any details on how big Bara Magna exactly is, but, to make a comparison, even a trip across Australia on a motorbike can take a few days.

 

And the area we saw on the official map was only a small portion of the whole planet. You'll recall that farther north was the Valley of the Maze (easily a journey of many days, if the accounts of Tarduk and Mata Nui were anything to go by), and there were also two giant holes where sections of the planet used to be. So, we were only ever seeing one small section of an otherwise massive celestial body. 

 

Like if I were to write a story that took place on the East coast of the US, I'd present a map that shows key locations in the story somewhere in the book. A map of the whole planet is not necessary, because the rest of it is irrelevant to the story being told. Similarly, we only ever saw the parts of it where the story took place--there was far more that we never saw--or even needed to see.

 

But in the past the agori and glatorian lived on pretty much all of Spherus Magna. They travelled and knew it all or, well, a good portion of it, and who knows how much it took considering how small they were. Not considering that mountains or even a small forest would appear as real insormontable giants to them. Not to mention that even a dog-sized creature could sweep entire villages to dust. But I guess I'm being over-realistic here. We can all think that living things on this planet evolved only on a small scale.

Anyway, we must remember that they, small as they were, fought a war so powerful, combined with the corrupting effect of energized protodermis, it split the planet in three. How is that feasible for smurf-sized beings? 

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But in the past the agori and glatorian lived on pretty much all of Spherus Magna. They travelled and knew it all or, well, a good portion of it, and who knows how much it took considering how small they were. Not considering that mountains or even a small forest would appear as real insormontable giants to them. Not to mention that even a dog-sized creature could sweep entire villages to dust. But I guess I'm being over-realistic here. We can all think that living things on this planet evolved only on a small scale.

Anyway, we must remember that they, small as they were, fought a war so powerful, combined with the corrupting effect of energized protodermis, it split the planet in three. How is that feasible for smurf-sized beings? 

 

In the end, it doesn't matter--the scale would still be the same, just smaller to our eyes. To them, the planet would be the same. 

 

All the original theory is saying here is that we should view the sets as the actual size of the characters so that we can imagine the giant robots fitting on Earth. That wouldn't change the in-story scale of things, though. 

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But in the past the agori and glatorian lived on pretty much all of Spherus Magna. They travelled and knew it all or, well, a good portion of it, and who knows how much it took considering how small they were. Not considering that mountains or even a small forest would appear as real insormontable giants to them. Not to mention that even a dog-sized creature could sweep entire villages to dust. But I guess I'm being over-realistic here. We can all think that living things on this planet evolved only on a small scale.

Anyway, we must remember that they, small as they were, fought a war so powerful, combined with the corrupting effect of energized protodermis, it split the planet in three. How is that feasible for smurf-sized beings? 

 

In the end, it doesn't matter--the scale would still be the same, just smaller to our eyes. To them, the planet would be the same. 

 

All the original theory is saying here is that we should view the sets as the actual size of the characters so that we can imagine the giant robots fitting on Earth. That wouldn't change the in-story scale of things, though. 

 

I get the point, and I do appreciate this theory, but to me it doesn't really solve the original problems. In a way, it does, but it creates more as well.

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but to me it doesn't really solve the original problems. In a way, it does, but it creates more as well.

 

Exactly.  <_<

 

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The theory in the OP doesn't suggest anything of any consequence to the story. 

So we take the 7-foot Glatorian/Toa, and make them a few inches tall. Then, we take that same scale and make the giant robots and planets smaller. In comparison to the characters, nothing changes. The characters are made into Smurfs so that Spherus Magna can be the size of Earth. The theory is suggesting we do absolutely nothing but shrink everything by the same scale factor--in other words, nothing at all that is of any consequence to the story.

 

Scale it all down as much as you like, but it still means that the planet and robots are overly gigantic compared to the main characters.

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but to me it doesn't really solve the original problems. In a way, it does, but it creates more as well.

 

Exactly.  <_<

 

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The theory in the OP doesn't suggest anything of any consequence to the story. 

So we take the 7-foot Glatorian/Toa, and make them a few inches tall. Then, we take that same scale and make the giant robots and planets smaller. In comparison to the characters, nothing changes. The characters are made into Smurfs so that Spherus Magna can be the size of Earth. The theory is suggesting we do absolutely nothing but shrink everything by the same scale factor--in other words, nothing at all that is of any consequence to the story.

 

Scale it all down as much as you like, but it still means that the planet and robots are overly gigantic compared to the main characters.

 

So what's the big deal? Everything is as before, just smaller. I'm still seeing story-wise consequences, anyway.

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So what's the big deal? Everything is as before, just smaller. I'm still seeing story-wise consequences, anyway.

 

Exactly! Nothing changes! So what is the point of this topic? If there are problems, this theory clearly doesn't address them. 

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So what's the big deal? Everything is as before, just smaller. I'm still seeing story-wise consequences, anyway.

 

Exactly! Nothing changes! So what is the point of this topic? If there are problems, this theory clearly doesn't address them. 

 

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Also, can someone explain why the giant robots' legs would look like stone pillars? First off, they were metal and fashioned a specific way, so they would look too defined to be massive rock formations. And consider that the robots were fully capable of moving around--one of them was knocked down at one point!--so anyone witnessing them would have known right away what they were. Sure, it'd be a lot to take in, but it would be fairly obvious that they were something alive (one way or another).

Looks like the discussion is over, so I might as well answer this question directed at one of my statements.

How exactly would you be able to see a robot the size of Earth except for its feet? Unless Bara Magna's atmosphere allows for extremely long visibility, you'd hardly see enough to know they were even humanoids.

And unless you're in really close proximity to the robot, chances are you're not going to see the metal details on it.

Finally, it's obvious that they're alive, as you said. The point that I was making is that It would almost be impossible to know that it was a humanoid robot.

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Unless you were viewing it from space, and if I recall, not many people in the Bionicle universe did that.

 

Now to cover my view on what Irrie said:

 

 

In the final battle, do you remember how the sky was extremely cloudy and hard to see through? I don't either. Bara magna is practically a desert ball, and deserts are not known for foggy, cloudy skies. And if we here on earth can see stars and Galaxies trillions of miles away, then it wouldn't be too hard to identify two 40 million foot tall robots on a sunny day. Especially when they're fighting. And we always got shots in the comics from far away, meaning at that angle it would be incredibly obvious that there are two massive robots duking It out overhead.

 

Anyone close enough to identify the legs as "stone pillars" would be squashed by the feet or blown away by all the wind they were producing from moving around.

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Also, can someone explain why the giant robots' legs would look like stone pillars? First off, they were metal and fashioned a specific way, so they would look too defined to be massive rock formations. And consider that the robots were fully capable of moving around--one of them was knocked down at one point!--so anyone witnessing them would have known right away what they were. Sure, it'd be a lot to take in, but it would be fairly obvious that they were something alive (one way or another).

Looks like the discussion is over, so I might as well answer this question directed at one of my statements.

How exactly would you be able to see a robot the size of Earth except for its feet? Unless Bara Magna's atmosphere allows for extremely long visibility, you'd hardly see enough to know they were even humanoids.

And unless you're in really close proximity to the robot, chances are you're not going to see the metal details on it.

Finally, it's obvious that they're alive, as you said. The point that I was making is that It would almost be impossible to know that it was a humanoid robot.

 

Except for the fact that 1) Mata Nui told all the villages exactly what was coming, and  2) all the Agori helped rebuild the Prototype Robot for him. :)

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The thing this theory is meant to fix is the abnormal size of the planet. If Aqua Magna is the size of Jupiter, then it couldn't possibly be a terrestrial planet unless it had a very low density, but then we get to Spherus Magna which, even if it had the same density, is still a lot larger than Aqua Magna, making it even harder to be terrestrial.

 

So, by reducing the size of the robot, we scale down the size of the planets to a more reasonable (though a little bit absurd) size.

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The thing this theory is meant to fix is the abnormal size of the planet. If Aqua Magna is the size of Jupiter, then it couldn't possibly be a terrestrial planet unless it had a very low density, but then we get to Spherus Magna which, even if it had the same density, is still a lot larger than Aqua Magna, making it even harder to be terrestrial.

 

So, by reducing the size of the robot, we scale down the size of the planets to a more reasonable (though a little bit absurd) size.

But it's fictional. It's been said many times that BIONICLE has some different physics than our world. Notice, for example, that we don't have sentient liquid cores in our planets.

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M'kay, I see. I'm convinced now.

Probably the reason why I believed that is because I mistakenly gave Bara Magna an atmosphere similar to Earth's. :/

Anyway, I don't quite think that there's any evidence to support the smaller GSR idea. If it was true, the plants on SM would be a lot bigger. Plus, it wouldn't make any difference since the GBs are Glatorian size, and Glatorian are Toa size, so it would be 40 million miles high to their perspective.

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Anyway, I don't quite think that there's any evidence to support the smaller GSR idea. If it was true, the plants on SM would be a lot bigger. 

Uh, smaller GSR = bigger SM? I thought it was the other way around. 

 

And so the conspiracy to shrink Mata Nui continues. 100% Teridax approved. 

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Anyway, I don't quite think that there's any evidence to support the smaller GSR idea. If it was true, the plants on SM would be a lot bigger. 

Uh, smaller GSR = bigger SM? I thought it was the other way around. 

 

And so the conspiracy to shrink Mata Nui continues. 100% Teridax approved. 

 

I meant by perspective. The Agori would be walking through grass that was as tall as they were if the GSR was shrunk to the size of Australia. 

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You misunderstand. The topic starter is saying that everything in Bionicle is scaled down in this way. Instead of human size Glatorian on a Jupiter sized planet, they are 8 inch Glatorian on an earth sized planet. Everything is relatively the same dimensions although since earth physics don't always apply and humans don't exist in the Bionicle universe, it really doesn't change anything. Personally, I think we should have just been given in universe measurements since you can't really have feet without anything we have measured to compare it to. Sort of like how Greg refused to say any specific Bionicle year corresponded to any specific earth year. It doesn't correspond to anythjng we have because we don't exist there. I think the same shiuld have been done with dimensions. But that last part is totally just my opinion.

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I meant by perspective. The Agori would be walking through grass that was as tall as they were if the GSR was shrunk to the size of Australia. 

Uh, wouldn't the grass shrink to reasonable grass size as well? Since the GSR wouldn't be that big, SM could be smaller as well. 

 

Unless you mean that SM wouldn't shrink enough...

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I meant by perspective. The Agori would be walking through grass that was as tall as they were if the GSR was shrunk to the size of Australia. 

Uh, wouldn't the grass shrink to reasonable grass size as well? Since the GSR wouldn't be that big, SM could be smaller as well. 

 

Unless you mean that SM wouldn't shrink enough...

 

Wait, I thought that we were just talking about the GSR shrinking. Because if only the GSR shrunk, that would imply that the Agori would be Matoran sized. But there wasn't anything involved about shrinking the planet. 

This is getting really confusing. 

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More like Kapura'd. 

 

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Wait, I thought that we were just talking about the GSR shrinking. Because if only the GSR shrunk, that would imply that the Agori would be Matoran sized. But there wasn't anything involved about shrinking the planet. 

 

This is getting really confusing. 

Yeah, no cheese. The objective behind all of this is to make SM an earth-sized planet (it seems), which wouldn't be shrinking it compared to the world we know, but it would be shrinking it compared to the ginormous size implied in canon.

 

Of course, an earth-size SM with Agori of toy size would make the planet still huge in comparison to them, so I guess you're right - it doesn't solve that problem. Though I must say that you must have tall grass where you live - a lot of Agori sets have had considerable height over the grass I know about. 

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Though I must say that you must have tall grass where you live - a lot of Agori sets have had considerable height over the grass I know about. 

 

Okay, you know what I was trying to imply. We would have seen a difference in the size of the surrounding objects if the Agori were toy size, thus this theory isn't plausible. 

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Though I must say that you must have tall grass where you live - a lot of Agori sets have had considerable height over the grass I know about. 

 

Okay, you know what I was trying to imply. We would have seen a difference in the size of the surrounding objects if the Agori were toy size, thus this theory isn't plausible. 

 

I'm basically saying that everything has been shrunken down to set-level. That way, we can still have the GSR, but now it's not of a completely impossible size lying down.

 

Still a little hard to believe when it stands up, but who cares?

 

Me. I care.

 

But, yeah. The trees are tiny, the grass is freakishly tiny, the villages are tiny, the beetles are AWWW IT'S SO TINY!

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