Granberia Doragoon Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 This is going to be pretty short. Once, when I was rebuilding my Bionicle collection, I asked myself how it all worked? How did you make organs from protodermis? How do kanohi have powers? Then I came up with a theory. What if, the Great Beings used nano tech! The reason I de-sided to post this is because I want to see what you guys think of this theory. So feel free to post what you think in the comments. 1 Quote The Duke is AWESOME!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan McOwen Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 Are you implying that Protodermis is a mass made of nanomechanical particles? If so, I can really dig this idea. 1 Quote I inadvertently predicted Vorox armour's use in G2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granberia Doragoon Posted May 26, 2015 Author Share Posted May 26, 2015 (edited) I guess what I was thinking of is kinda like that. My theory is that protodermis is a metal like substance that the Great Beings would pump full of nanobots. Edited May 26, 2015 by MCGPY 1 Quote The Duke is AWESOME!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishers64 Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Energized Protodermis = natural brain? Protodermis = A.I.? Wonder why the Great Beings didn't make that connection, if they were using nanobots to program brains... 1 Quote Hero Factory RPG | Bionicle Mafia XXIX: Storyline & Theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobber Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 This could sorta explain 'destiny' in Bionicle. The nano-bot Protodermis would be programmed to recognize a certain signature/code. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hip Historian Iaredios Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 Interesting idea, but I guess I always thought protodermis to be an umbrella term for this type of synthetic matter. This could sorta explain 'destiny' in Bionicle. The nano-bot Protodermis would be programmed to recognize a certain signature/code.Still doesn't explain the way fate played out outside of the MU, spirit stars and Bara Magna things and what not. 1 Quote A RUDE AWAKENING - A Spherus Magna redo | Tzais-Kuluu | Pushing Back The Tide | Last Words | Black Coronation | Blue Man Bound | Visions of Thasos ن We are all but grey specks in a dark complex before a single white light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granberia Doragoon Posted May 28, 2015 Author Share Posted May 28, 2015 Interesting idea, but I guess I always thought protodermis to be an umbrella term for this type of synthetic matter. This could sorta explain 'destiny' in Bionicle. The nano-bot Protodermis would be programmed to recognize a certain signature/code.Still doesn't explain the way fate played out outside of the MU, spirit stars and Bara Magna things and what not. You make a good point. I don't think the nanobots could have made there destiny. 1 Quote The Duke is AWESOME!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcarusBen Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 How about "destiny" being a law of physics in the Bonkle universe? Makes sense, considering how EP works. Admittedly, it kinda throws free will out the window, but who cares? We need our McGuffin goop. Quote LEGO Republic:The ValkyrieThe "Christmas Brick" My BZPRPG Profiles Now a proud member of The Kanohi Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Rahkmaninoff Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 But destiny and free will need not be incompatible if a being has multiple different destinies - which can happen. Take Takanuva, for example. In the prime universe, his destiny has something to do with the Great Being's civil war. In the Kingdom, however, it was apparently the creation of light barriers around the sinking island of Mata Nui. While that's clearly not a perfect example, as it wasn't Takanuva's choices that caused the divergence in the timeline, it does make it clear that a being can have more than one destiny. And cases surely would exist in which their choices determine the destiny they fulfill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesiii Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 A version of this is an old idea -- that protodermis is nanites. Greg turned that down. At one point later he said it was a molecule. But his recent answers have seemed to forget that and now he says he doesn't know what it was (and the answer about it being a molecule seems to have been lost as it was a post to the old forum, not a PM). I based the idea of my current main protodermis theory on the idea that it's a very advanced molecule that uses some principles from nano-engineering, without technically being a nanite. As you've worded this, though, it sounds like you're actually bringing up a new (or little-discussed or maybe forgotten by me ) idea? That maybe instead of protodermis being nanites that there could be nanites in addition to protodermis? That sculpt it basically? That might be possible (and a non-nano version of this seems confirmed with Makuta viruses specifically). 1 Quote The Destiny of Bionicle (chronological retelling of Bionicle original series, 9 PDFs of 10 chapters each on Google Drive): Part 1 - Warring with Fate | Part 2 - Year of Change | Part 3 - The Exploration Trap | Part 4 - Rise of the Warlords | Part 5 - A Busy Matoran | Part 6 - The Dark Time | Part 7 - Proving Grounds | Part 8 - A Rude Awakening | Part 9 - The Battle of Giants My Bionicle Fanfiction (Google Drive folder, eventually planned to have PDFs of all of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granberia Doragoon Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 Acctualy, makuta viruses don't go against the idea that the Great Beings used nanobots. Lets say that these "viruses" are acctualy spetialy desighned nanobots, that the Great Beings mad for the makuta to use for making rahi. And my idea here is that the Great Beings find the protodermis, and make nanobots to put in it 1 Quote The Duke is AWESOME!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rahkshi Lalonde Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 "nanomachines, son." but yeah, i was about to say "this is pretty similar to bones's "cyberclay" theory thing" but it seems bones beat me to saying that himself. i'll also point out the obvious and say "energized proto is weird". :t 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granberia Doragoon Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 This acttualy isn't that similar. You see, the nanobots aren't just used in protodermis, but anything the great beings used. And his theory sounds like the stuff would be found with nanites in it. But in this nanobots (not nanites) are built and programed to tinker around with the molecular structures of different materials. 1 Quote The Duke is AWESOME!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xabla Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Wait… Maybe Prododermis is A.I.!?! https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m39vcoU1Ly1r6blk5o1_500.gif 1 Quote cringe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarumEsSarene Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Wait… Maybe Prododermis is A.I.!?! https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m39vcoU1Ly1r6blk5o1_500.gifProtodermis has Mata-Nui's conscience. Only his body was put to sleep but he was still awake, controlling and moving fate through the protodermis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skakdi Chronicler Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 So if normal protodermis has nanobots, then what is energized protodermis, its naturally occurring after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xabla Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 I think the biggest things was the machines would shut down in the end. Quote cringe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hip Historian Iaredios Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) So if normal protodermis has nanobots, then what is energized protodermis, its naturally occurring after all. It's a mystery. In my project natural protodermis' source lies in the divines and originates from a different plane of existence, but in Lego's canon no origin is ever given. I don't see artificial protodermis as an example of nanotechnology, but rather is a synthetic matter that can be influenced by those that know the complete workings of this type of matter and are in possession of an immense amount of intelligence and energy (such as the Makuta race, Tren Krom, Mata Nui, and The Golden-Skinned-Being). Edited June 4, 2015 by Iaredios Paerkenon 1 Quote A RUDE AWAKENING - A Spherus Magna redo | Tzais-Kuluu | Pushing Back The Tide | Last Words | Black Coronation | Blue Man Bound | Visions of Thasos ن We are all but grey specks in a dark complex before a single white light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granberia Doragoon Posted July 3, 2015 Author Share Posted July 3, 2015 Wait… Maybe Prododermis is A.I.!?! https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m39vcoU1Ly1r6blk5o1_500.gif Protodermis has Mata-Nui's conscience. Only his body was put to sleep but he was still awake, controlling and moving fate through the protodermis. In my theory, mata nui would exist as an A.I. that would be in the Nano Bots surcetry Quote The Duke is AWESOME!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidron Nuva Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I've always thought Protodermis could either be an element/molecule or made of very very little nanobots. It should work like the Microbots from Big Hero 6 or Transformium from Transformers. Such atoms/nanobots should be programmable (for example when a character shapeshifts, or when a Matoran becomes a Toa) and work more or less like cells. They can create bonds with atoms/molecules of other elements to obtain new materials, from organic-ish tissues to armor. They can "duplicate" the way cells do (in this way Bionicle armor and mechanical parts could 'heal'; this also explain why Matoran have to eat).The "DNA" of an individual, what determines the shape of his body, should be a file saved in a specific section of the cyber-brain of such individual. When an individual is mutated, such file is altered/corrupted. Protodermis isn't "intelligent" though, it can receive instructions and operate them more or less like cells do. This is my headcanon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSciFiGuy Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Nano-tech in Nano-tech's of the GSR? Interesting. I feel like its programmable matter. That's what most of the MU is made of with protodermis as its source for...well, everything. Powerful beings who can reshape it at will, kinda like the plot of Transformers 4. Quote Bionicle: ANP aims to create narrated versions of all the Bionicle books, with voice actors for each character, and music taken from various media to enhance the story. Check here if you're interested in voicing a character, and here for the chapters that've already been released!Formerly: Tahu Nuva 3.0Looking for a Bionicle Beanie. Black one with the symbol on it. Contact me if you are willing to sell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granberia Doragoon Posted September 4, 2015 Author Share Posted September 4, 2015 So if normal protodermis has nanobots, then what is energized protodermis, its naturally occurring after all. In my theory, protodermis is a "source" of energy. When a large voltage of electricity is shot through it, it gives off energy. So it can be natural.I've always thought Protodermis could either be an element/molecule or made of very very little nanobots. It should work like the Microbots from Big Hero 6 or Transformium from Transformers. Such atoms/nanobots should be programmable (for example when a character shapeshifts, or when a Matoran becomes a Toa) and work more or less like cells. They can create bonds with atoms/molecules of other elements to obtain new materials, from organic-ish tissues to armor. They can "duplicate" the way cells do (in this way Bionicle armor and mechanical parts could 'heal'; this also explain why Matoran have to eat).The "DNA" of an individual, what determines the shape of his body, should be a file saved in a specific section of the cyber-brain of such individual. When an individual is mutated, such file is altered/corrupted. Protodermis isn't "intelligent" though, it can receive instructions and operate them more or less like cells do. This is my headcanon Exactly! That's what I was thinking!Nano-tech in Nano-tech's of the GSR? Interesting. I feel like its programmable matter. That's what most of the MU is made of with protodermis as its source for...well, everything. Powerful beings who can reshape it at will, kinda like the plot of Transformers 4.Once again what I was thinking! Free donuts! 2 Quote The Duke is AWESOME!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SailorQuaoar Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 So you want Bionicle to be Metal Gear Solid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granberia Doragoon Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share Posted September 7, 2015 So you want Bionicle to be Metal Gear Solid?What's metal gear solid? Quote The Duke is AWESOME!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rahkshi Lalonde Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 So you want Bionicle to be Metal Gear Solid?What's metal gear solid? one word, nanomachines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You just lost the game Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 Bionicle is supposed to feel like some type of sci-fi fantasy thriller.Based on that assumption, I'll continue to assume that the Great Beings are cosmic or mystical in nature, and protodermis is just magic "water". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granberia Doragoon Posted September 10, 2015 Author Share Posted September 10, 2015 Bionicle is supposed to feel like some type of sci-fi fantasy thriller.Based on that assumption, I'll continue to assume that the Great Beings are cosmic or mystical in nature, and protodermis is just magic "water".You do that. My theory isn't cannon...yet > So you want Bionicle to be Metal Gear Solid? What's metal gear solid? one word, nanomachines.Ok. But that doesn't mean I want bionicle to be the same story. Nanotechnology is used in all sorts of si-fi, and si-fantasy stories. This is just my theory. Quote The Duke is AWESOME!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterchirox580 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I don't think real world science can be applied to bionicle. The nature of protodermis is probably going to remain forever unknown. Unless there were some hints as to how protodermis worked (which I don't remember there being any) I don't think we can say if it is or not. Quote It's time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granberia Doragoon Posted September 15, 2015 Author Share Posted September 15, 2015 I don't think real world science can be applied to bionicle. The nature of protodermis is probably going to remain forever unknown. Unless there were some hints as to how protodermis worked (which I don't remember there being any) I don't think we can say if it is or not. Nano tech is light years ahead of us. So it can't really be considered real world science. And if it was, why can't it be applied to bionicle? Quote The Duke is AWESOME!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopekemaster Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 So, the GSR, then, would be a giant robot, powered by lots of little robots, who, in turn, are powered by lots of little robots? Hmm. Yeah, I guess I like this theory. 2 Quote My Writing Blog (more writing coming soon!) My Bionicle/LEGO Blog (defunct) Hyfudiar on Spotify (noise/drone/experimental music) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regitnui Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 So, the GSR, then, would be a giant robot, powered by lots of little robots, who, in turn, are powered by lots of little robots? Hmm. Yeah, I guess I like this theory.You can't fool me. It's little robots all the way down! 2 Quote Elemental Rahi in Gen2, anyone? A write-up for an initial video for a G2 plot I really wish everyone would stop trying to play join the dots with Gen 1 and Gen 2 though,it seems there's a couple new threads everyday and often they're duplicates of already existing conversations! Or simply parallel them with a slightly new 'twist'! Gen 2 is NEW, it is NOT Gen 1 and it is NOT a continuation. Outside of the characters we already have I personally don't want to see ANY old characters return. I think it will cheapen the whole experience to those of us familiar with the original line... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterchirox580 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I don't think real world science can be applied to bionicle. The nature of protodermis is probably going to remain forever unknown. Unless there were some hints as to how protodermis worked (which I don't remember there being any) I don't think we can say if it is or not.Nano tech is light years ahead of us. So it can't really be considered real world science. And if it was, why can't it be applied to bionicle? Actually I hear that said technology will be out by the mid 21st century. And when it comes to a fantasy world such as bionicle which has, fully conscious creatures that are made of robotic parts, weapons that could not exist anytime soon, and plot elements which just would not make any sense in the real world (how can you have a robot the size of a continent live on a planet with people living there?). So seeing as it's a fantasy world where the same rules do not apply I don't see how real science can be applied. Quote It's time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopekemaster Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 So, the GSR, then, would be a giant robot, powered by lots of little robots, who, in turn, are powered by lots of little robots? Hmm. Yeah, I guess I like this theory.You can't fool me. It's little robots all the way down! And what might those nanobots be made out of, you ask? Picobots. 2 Quote My Writing Blog (more writing coming soon!) My Bionicle/LEGO Blog (defunct) Hyfudiar on Spotify (noise/drone/experimental music) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dane-gerous Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 nanomachines son 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Editor Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 More like naNOmachines. Even if we're ignoring how Greg said protodermis isn't nanites, it makes no sense to have them be that. If it was programmable molecule-sized machines, I'm pretty sure melting them down to forge tools would be unnecessary - the GBs could've programmed them to form whatever equipment was necessary for Matoran use, instead of having Matoran expend precious energy from their robot to smelt that stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
You just lost the game Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 More like naNOmachines. Even if we're ignoring how Greg said protodermis isn't nanites, it makes no sense to have them be that. If it was programmable molecule-sized machines, I'm pretty sure melting them down to forge tools would be unnecessary - the GBs could've programmed them to form whatever equipment was necessary for Matoran use, instead of having Matoran expend precious energy from their robot to smelt that stuff.Very good point.If I may, I'd like to add that if the Great Beings used nano-machines, what use would the Matoran be?If the Great Beings had such advanced nanotechnology, then surely they could be used to run the entirety of Mata-Nui. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSciFiGuy Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I cant wait until we find out that protodermis itself has tiny matoran working inside of it Quote Bionicle: ANP aims to create narrated versions of all the Bionicle books, with voice actors for each character, and music taken from various media to enhance the story. Check here if you're interested in voicing a character, and here for the chapters that've already been released!Formerly: Tahu Nuva 3.0Looking for a Bionicle Beanie. Black one with the symbol on it. Contact me if you are willing to sell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rahkshi Lalonde Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 More like naNOmachines. Even if we're ignoring how Greg said protodermis isn't nanites, it makes no sense to have them be that. If it was programmable molecule-sized machines, I'm pretty sure melting them down to forge tools would be unnecessary - the GBs could've programmed them to form whatever equipment was necessary for Matoran use, instead of having Matoran expend precious energy from their robot to smelt that stuff.Very good point.If I may, I'd like to add that if the Great Beings used nano-machines, what use would the Matoran be?If the Great Beings had such advanced nanotechnology, then surely they could be used to run the entirety of Mata-Nui. Yeah tbh, i'm now baffled i didn't see this sooner, blows a hole in Bones' theory too. why would something you can just program to be what you want need to be heated up, cooled down, melted, hammered, cut, etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Editor Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 (edited) Ah well. For those who still want nanobots in protodermis, I just realised that nanorobots working in protodermis might be true in one type of protodermis - organic protodermis. Greg said once or twice that organic protodermis has a DNA equivalent - it forms "cells" out of itself, mimicking cells from real life, down to having DNA. The thing is, DNA codes for the production of proteins, which become parts of cells and are used by the body for other things. What if, instead of proteins, organic proto "DNA" codes for nanites that produce more organic protodermis? It kind of fits with how Makuta use viruses to make Rahi out of protodermis - the viruses are larger versions of the naturally-occurring nanites. They then help start the creation of specialised organic protodermis tissue (eg tissue with high elasticity for stretchy Rahi, etc) and also help to program the Rahi's protodermic DNA. *slinks quietly away, shaking head at self* Edited September 18, 2015 by The Editor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hip Historian Iaredios Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Ah well. For those who still want nanobots in protodermis, I just realised that nanorobots working in protodermis might be true in one type of protodermis - organic protodermis. Greg said once or twice that organic protodermis has a DNA equivalent - it forms "cells" out of itself, mimicking cells from real life, den to having DNA. The thing is, DNA codes for the production of proteins, which become parts of cells and are used by the body for other things. What if, instead of proteins, organic proto "DNA" codes for nanites that produce more organic protodermis? It kind of fits with how Makuta use viruses to make Rahi out of protodermis - the viruses are larger versions of the naturally-occurring nanites. They then help start the creation of specialised organic protodermis tissue (eg tissue with high elasticity for stretchy Rahi, etc) and also help to program the Rahi's protodermic DNA. *slinks quietly away, shaking head at self*Instead of DNA, we could call it OPVC: Organic Protodermic Viral Codex, or maybe just PVC, or something else along those lines. Quote A RUDE AWAKENING - A Spherus Magna redo | Tzais-Kuluu | Pushing Back The Tide | Last Words | Black Coronation | Blue Man Bound | Visions of Thasos ن We are all but grey specks in a dark complex before a single white light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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