Nano Technology?

[The Editor]

 

Ah well. For those who still want nanobots in protodermis, I just realised that nanorobots working in protodermis might be true in one type of protodermis - organic protodermis.

Greg said once or twice that organic protodermis has a DNA equivalent - it forms "cells" out of itself, mimicking cells from real life, den to having DNA. The thing is, DNA codes for the production of proteins, which become parts of cells and are used by the body for other things. What if, instead of proteins, organic proto "DNA" codes for nanites that produce more organic protodermis?

It kind of fits with how Makuta use viruses to make Rahi out of protodermis - the viruses are larger versions of the naturally-occurring nanites. They then help start the creation of specialised organic protodermis tissue (eg tissue with high elasticity for stretchy Rahi, etc) and also help to program the Rahi's protodermic DNA.

*slinks quietly away, shaking head at self*

 

Instead of DNA, we could call it OPVC: Organic Protodermic Viral Codex, or maybe just PVC, or something else along those lines.

Why not PNC? Protonucleic coding?

[The Hip Historian Iaredios]

 

 

Ah well. For those who still want nanobots in protodermis, I just realised that nanorobots working in protodermis might be true in one type of protodermis - organic protodermis.

Greg said once or twice that organic protodermis has a DNA equivalent - it forms "cells" out of itself, mimicking cells from real life, den to having DNA. The thing is, DNA codes for the production of proteins, which become parts of cells and are used by the body for other things. What if, instead of proteins, organic proto "DNA" codes for nanites that produce more organic protodermis?

It kind of fits with how Makuta use viruses to make Rahi out of protodermis - the viruses are larger versions of the naturally-occurring nanites. They then help start the creation of specialised organic protodermis tissue (eg tissue with high elasticity for stretchy Rahi, etc) and also help to program the Rahi's protodermic DNA.

*slinks quietly away, shaking head at self*

Instead of DNA, we could call it OPVC: Organic Protodermic Viral Codex, or maybe just PVC, or something else along those lines.

Why not PNC? Protonucleic coding?

 

Why not! Sounds genuine enough, though I wish 'dermic' could be in there as well, but then it sounds too much like science jargon-babble like what I made.

 

Anyone else want a take on this? I am intrigued by others' possible variations.

[Regitnui]

 

 

Ah well. For those who still want nanobots in protodermis, I just realised that nanorobots working in protodermis might be true in one type of protodermis - organic protodermis.

Greg said once or twice that organic protodermis has a DNA equivalent - it forms "cells" out of itself, mimicking cells from real life, den to having DNA. The thing is, DNA codes for the production of proteins, which become parts of cells and are used by the body for other things. What if, instead of proteins, organic proto "DNA" codes for nanites that produce more organic protodermis?

It kind of fits with how Makuta use viruses to make Rahi out of protodermis - the viruses are larger versions of the naturally-occurring nanites. They then help start the creation of specialised organic protodermis tissue (eg tissue with high elasticity for stretchy Rahi, etc) and also help to program the Rahi's protodermic DNA.

*slinks quietly away, shaking head at self*

 

Instead of DNA, we could call it OPVC: Organic Protodermic Viral Codex, or maybe just PVC, or something else along those lines.

Why not PNC? Protonucleic coding?

I find this very plausible. The 'viruses' the Makuta used were 'nanite packs' designed by the GBs to better manipulate protodermis and the PNC of their creations. Protodermis itself isn't nanobots, but the mechanisms the GBs used are.

[Lyichir]

 

Ah well. For those who still want nanobots in protodermis, I just realised that nanorobots working in protodermis might be true in one type of protodermis - organic protodermis.

 

Greg said once or twice that organic protodermis has a DNA equivalent - it forms "cells" out of itself, mimicking cells from real life, den to having DNA. The thing is, DNA codes for the production of proteins, which become parts of cells and are used by the body for other things. What if, instead of proteins, organic proto "DNA" codes for nanites that produce more organic protodermis?

 

It kind of fits with how Makuta use viruses to make Rahi out of protodermis - the viruses are larger versions of the naturally-occurring nanites. They then help start the creation of specialised organic protodermis tissue (eg tissue with high elasticity for stretchy Rahi, etc) and also help to program the Rahi's protodermic DNA.

 

*slinks quietly away, shaking head at self*

Instead of DNA, we could call it OPVC: Organic Protodermic Viral Codex, or maybe just PVC, or something else along those lines.

 

How about ABS (Adaptable Biomechanical Coding), just to bring it in line with the actual material the sets are actually made of?

Edited September 19, 2015 by Lyichir

[The Hip Historian Iaredios]

 

 

Ah well. For those who still want nanobots in protodermis, I just realised that nanorobots working in protodermis might be true in one type of protodermis - organic protodermis.

 

Greg said once or twice that organic protodermis has a DNA equivalent - it forms "cells" out of itself, mimicking cells from real life, den to having DNA. The thing is, DNA codes for the production of proteins, which become parts of cells and are used by the body for other things. What if, instead of proteins, organic proto "DNA" codes for nanites that produce more organic protodermis?

 

It kind of fits with how Makuta use viruses to make Rahi out of protodermis - the viruses are larger versions of the naturally-occurring nanites. They then help start the creation of specialised organic protodermis tissue (eg tissue with high elasticity for stretchy Rahi, etc) and also help to program the Rahi's protodermic DNA.

 

*slinks quietly away, shaking head at self*

Instead of DNA, we could call it OPVC: Organic Protodermic Viral Codex, or maybe just PVC, or something else along those lines.

 

How about ABS (Adaptable Biomechanical Coding), just to bring it in line with the actual material the sets are actually made of?

 

 

Are you telling me that Gali is made of ABS? That would explain why she grew increasingly masculine over the years...

[The Editor]

 

 

 

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How about ABS (Adaptable Biomechanical Coding), just to bring it in line with the actual material the sets are actually made of?

 

Are you telling me that Gali is made of ABS? That would explain why she grew increasingly masculine over the years...

Not just her. Everyone's made of ABS. Everyone is inherently buff! :^)

[Lyichir]

 

 

 

 

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How about ABS (Adaptable Biomechanical Coding), just to bring it in line with the actual material the sets are actually made of?

 

 

Are you telling me that Gali is made of ABS? That would explain why she grew increasingly masculine over the years...

 

Not just her. Everyone's made of ABS. Everyone is inherently buff! :^)

 

Technically speaking most Bionicle sets are actually Polycarbonate, like other Technic parts. But it was harder to make a joke about that.

[The Editor]

But it was

 

 

 

 

 

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How about ABS (Adaptable Biomechanical Coding), just to bring it in line with the actual material the sets are actually made of?

 Are you telling me that Gali is made of ABS? That would explain why she grew increasingly masculine over the years...

Not just her. Everyone's made of ABS. Everyone is inherently buff! :^)

Technically speaking most Bionicle sets are actually Polycarbonate, like other Technic parts. But it was harder to make a joke about that.

Well then... How about saying that everyone in Bionicle is actually a computer?

 

They're made of... PC. :^)

 

You know, PC is the short form for polycarbonate, so...

 

*dodges to avoid blow*

[Granberia Doragoon]

 

Ah well. For those who still want nanobots in protodermis, I just realised that nanorobots working in protodermis might be true in one type of protodermis - organic protodermis.

 

Greg said once or twice that organic protodermis has a DNA equivalent - it forms "cells" out of itself, mimicking cells from real life, den to having DNA. The thing is, DNA codes for the production of proteins, which become parts of cells and are used by the body for other things. What if, instead of proteins, organic proto "DNA" codes for nanites that produce more organic protodermis?

 

It kind of fits with how Makuta use viruses to make Rahi out of protodermis - the viruses are larger versions of the naturally-occurring nanites. They then help start the creation of specialised organic protodermis tissue (eg tissue with high elasticity for stretchy Rahi, etc) and also help to program the Rahi's protodermic DNA.

 

*slinks quietly away, shaking head at self*

Instead of DNA, we could call it OPVC: Organic Protodermic Viral Codex, or maybe just PVC, or something else along those lines.

 

Eather one would work I think.

[RahiSpeak]

Interesting, a good idea to be sure! However, while nanotechnology is without question employed, I do not think that protodermis is a large collection of nanites.

 

First, let's consider the ways in which a microscopic nanite could alter both its microscopic and macrscopic properties. It could change its shape, change its charge, change where it is charged, and change its relation to another nanite. Since the theory is about protodermis being made entirely of nanites, there is no way that a nanite could change its chemical makeup. This is a problem for living organisms that require a store of energy. If the energy cannot be stored chemically then it must be stored electrically. While lithium ion batteries and capacitors are good examples of stored electrical energy, nanites suffer from a very low energy capacity (consider that a battery's volume is devoted almost completely to storing energy while a nanite is more of a machine -- that takes up energy -- than energy storage itself). This is not just a matter of having to eat constantly because even the food itself would be very low in energy: living things would not be able to sustain themselves.

 

Also, nanites probably are not very good conductors of electricity. A nanite could not, as far as anyone knows, be made completely of conductive metals and would have to include at least a few insulating elements that would impede current flow. In addition, good conductors are also usually quite uniform so the atoms don't hinder the flow of electrons. Nanites like these likely are not very uniform at all (a grid of atoms is very uniform and a good shape for conducting electricity (think graphene), since a grid of atoms is not a nanite, a nanite probably is not uniform) and, all said, are more likely to be insulators. All this is to say that electrical circuits would probably not be functional, so we would lose pretty much all of Le-Metru.

 

The above are just a couple of the issues I see with the nanite theory, but there are others (i.e. the elements of fire, plasma, lightning, and magnetism would not exist). Still, the nanotechnology part is good, so is the programmable matter part. I actually have my own theory for how protodermis works, but that seems more suited for another topic (that, and I'm just tired of typing and don't remember if the topic is about nanotechnology in general or just nanites).

 

EDIT:

Okay, it's about nanotechnology in general. I guess I'll stick around this topic.

Edited November 23, 2015 by RahiSpeak

[Granberia Doragoon]

Interesting, a good idea to be sure! However, while nanotechnology is without question employed, I do not think that protodermis is a large collection of nanites.

 

First, let's consider the ways in which a microscopic nanite could alter both its microscopic and macrscopic properties. It could change its shape, change its charge, change where it is charged, and change its relation to another nanite. Since the theory is about protodermis being made entirely of nanites, there is no way that a nanite could change its chemical makeup. This is a problem for living organisms that require a store of energy. If the energy cannot be stored chemically then it must be stored electrically. While lithium ion batteries and capacitors are good examples of stored electrical energy, nanites suffer from a very low energy capacity (consider that a battery's volume is devoted almost completely to storing energy while a nanite is more of a machine -- that takes up energy -- than energy storage itself). This is not just a matter of having to eat constantly because even the food itself would be very low in energy: living things would not be able to sustain themselves.

 

Also, nanites probably are not very good conductors of electricity. A nanite could not, as far as anyone knows, be made completely of conductive metals and would have to include at least a few insulating elements that would impede current flow. In addition, good conductors are also usually quite uniform so the atoms don't hinder the flow of electrons. Nanites like these likely are not very uniform at all (a grid of atoms is very uniform and a good shape for conducting electricity (think graphene), since a grid of atoms is not a nanite, a nanite probably is not uniform) and, all said, are more likely to be insulators. All this is to say that electrical circuits would probably not be functional, so we would lose pretty much all of Le-Metru.

 

The above are just a couple of the issues I see with the nanite theory, but there are others (i.e. the elements of fire, plasma, lightning, and magnetism would not exist). Still, the nanotechnology part is good, so is the programmable matter part. I actually have my own theory for how protodermis works, but that seems more suited for another topic (that, and I'm just tired of typing and don't remember if the topic is about nanotechnology in general or just nanites).

 

EDIT:

Okay, it's about nanotechnology in general. I guess I'll stick around this topic.

I see what you say. But my theory is that nanobots were put into the protodermis.

[Rahkshi Lalonde]

I see what you say. But my theory is that nanobots were put into the protodermis.

 

and when you melt the protodermis? or shatter it with shock? o:

[Granberia Doragoon]

 

I see what you say. But my theory is that nanobots were put into the protodermis.

 

 

and when you melt the protodermis? or shatter it with shock? o:

Why melt what you can reprogram? But the nanobots would be fairly durable.

[Rahkshi Lalonde]

Why melt what you can reprogram? But the nanobots would be fairly durable.

 

Ta-matoran are seen melting protodermis, and po-matoran are seend dismantling protodermis,

 

not to sound rude but i don't see this exactly working unless you go by the idea that ta-metru's flames are also just prgrams and po/onu-matoran chiseling tools are just programming tools. :0

[Zox Tomana]

Regarding melting: all you do there is insert enough energy to loosen the rigid bonding of molecules in order to allow flow. With Bones' "programmable molecule" theory, melting won't hurt it because melting doesn't necessarily break things down at the atomic level, it just stops adjacent molecules from adhering. Your molecule just has to be able to keep its program.

 

With the nanomachine theory, it be a little more damaging, possibly fatal, to induce melting, but I never studied nanobots so I don't know the limits of possible endurance for them.

 

As for breaking the proto apart: why would macro-impact be that big a problem for micro-machines?

[RahiSpeak]

 

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I see what you say. But my theory is that nanobots were put into the protodermis.

Oh! Okay, so your theory is much like bonesiii's (except that the Great Beings put the nanobots there), right? Nanobots alter a substance and that gives protodermis its variety? Man, I read every post in this topic and somehow missed that. But there it is, post #3.

 

Off the top of my head, I don't see anything inherently wrong with your theory. I'll keep thinking about it.

 

 

 

I see what you say. But my theory is that nanobots were put into the protodermis.

and when you melt the protodermis? or shatter it with shock? o:

Why melt what you can reprogram? But the nanobots would be fairly durable.

If "molten" in "molten protodermis" meant the temperature of real-world lava or molten metal then no nanobot -- no matter how durable -- would survive. However, molten just means made liquid by heat, so protodermis does not necessarily have to be that hot to be molten and could be survivable to nanobots.

 

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not to sound rude but i don't see this exactly working unless you go by the idea that ta-metru's flames are also just prgrams and po/onu-matoran chiseling tools are just programming tools. :0

Makuta have direct access to the nanobots, the matoran do not. Also, some things (like sculpting, tool making, etc.) are much easier to do manually anyway. Edited November 26, 2015 by RahiSpeak