Can Rahi be eaten by Agori?

[Toa Kayn]

I'm writing a story and I need to know if Rahi are edible by the inhabitants of Spherus Magna.

 

If not, what can the Agori eat?

[Ghidora131]

I would assume so.

[Sergei Rahkmaninoff]

I'm not sure. They can probably eat the fleshy bits, at least.

 

Other than Rahi, though, I'm sure Agori eat natural Spherus Magna plant- and wildlife. (Otherwise they all would have starved long before Rahi ever existed.)

[The 1st Shadow]

Yeah, bearing in mind that Rahi follow the 85% mechanical--15% organic rule of the MU, there wouldn't be much to eat. The Agori likely stick with mainly SM creatures, like the Sand Bat.

[Rooster Nui]

I'd assume they could, but whether it's pointless or not to eat Rahi as an Agori is another question. Fortunately, The 1st Shadow had answered that, and so, they probably don't get eaten rather than can't be eaten by Agori.

 

[Akavakaku]

Well, this brings up the bigger question of biocompatibility between protodermis and regular matter. We know protodermis-based life can safely take in true organic matter, but is the opposite true? I would tentatively say yes, as native Aqua Magna life like the Squid parasites could prey easily enough on proto-based life forms.

[Archon~]

I see SM species as organic protodermis intolerant, so if they were to had the organic bits, they would have some nasty stomach aches and gas problems.

[RahiSpeak]

Well lets see here, "organic protodermis" means nothing more than "protodermis that acts like living tissue" so the "organic" part can probably be ignored. Now, is protodermis itself edible? We are never given any indication that protodermis is toxic to agori (besides, they seem like pretty tough little guys), however, we can also be pretty certain that agori are 0% protodermis since it originates deep inside of Bara Magna and therefore there would be no way for an agori to consume it before it's discovery. Given that, I'd say agori cannot eat rahi, but as Archon also (sorta) said, the substance used to make protosteel probably isn't very digestible.

Edited June 12, 2015 by RahiSpeak

[Cheesy Mac n Cheese]

I once saw a Greg quote saying that protodermis-based food would be toxic or something to non-protodermis-based creatures. Based on that, no.

 

Here it is, first post.

[RahiSpeak]

I once saw a Greg quote saying that protodermis-based food would be toxic or something to non-protodermis-based creatures. Based on that, no.

 

Here it is, first post.

Well, I suppose drywall isn't exactly toxic, more like a crime against your intestines.

[Toa Kayn]

Thanks guys, these answers really help. 

 

I wrote a bit about hunting Tunnelers to feed homeless Agori but it seems I'll have to change it to something they can actually properly digest  

Edited June 12, 2015 by Toa Kayn

[Cheesy Mac n Cheese]

Thanks guys, these answers really help. 

 

I wrote a bit about hunting Tunnelers to feed homeless Agori but it seems I'll have to change it to something they can actually properly digest  

 

You could have one of them try it and get sick or something .

[bonesiii]

I dunno why people are saying yes -- even if protodermis isn't toxic to Agori, why would we expect it to be compatible? It might be like eating plastic.

 

While Matoran can probably absorb energy from any lifeform, and apparently the energification equivalent in them and others could work with normal matter too (re: recent topic establishing that Barakki physically ate Aqua Magna sea creatures), I highly doubt it works in reverse. Natural beings of normal matter, cells, etc. should, you'd think, not be able to digest protodermis.

 

However, they could always get some kind of technological implant to enable it.

[Toa Kayn]

However, they could always get some kind of technological implant to enable it.

 

That's a really good idea. Perhaps I can use that to save me re-writing the whole first chapter 

[The Hip Historian Iaredios]

 

However, they could always get some kind of technological implant to enable it.

 

That's a really good idea. Perhaps I can use that to save me re-writing the whole first chapter 

 

A gastrointestinal augmentation, Deus Ex style.   They would probably have to be made by Artakha first, however, due to overwhelming complexity between the two different types matter.

 

You could actually write an entire story about that: A tribe of agori that lives near a small matoran colony grow hungry due to dwindling food supplies, and they hear legends of a wonderfully 'magical' (highly technological) being, a master smith, and they seek to be able to gain his blessing (by making said augmentations) to be able to eat from his world's fauna by sending a small party. He (Artakha, that is) lacks the necessary pieces, however, so the party must embark on a grand quest to be find said ingrediants and be able to have their population be able to feast upon rahi carcasses.

(This would probably be done through adding nanotechnological augmentations that can biologiocally be passed down, effectively allowing future generations of this tribe to grow biomechanical augmentations in coexistence with their natural organs)

[The 1st Shadow]

There are plenty of SM creatures to choose from, in that case.  Everything from Skopio to gravel hawks to venom eels (though, in hindsight, those last ones might not be a good idea ).

[The Hip Historian Iaredios]

There are plenty of SM creatures to choose from, in that case.  Everything from Skopio to gravel hawks to venom eels (though, in hindsight, those last ones might not be a good idea ).

Probably not for long. The nature of rahi would probably mean that they could easily kill native animals and take over their environment. I can imagine their being agori animal guardians who kill rahi that enter special nature reserves for native creatures.

[The 1st Shadow]

 

There are plenty of SM creatures to choose from, in that case.  Everything from Skopio to gravel hawks to venom eels (though, in hindsight, those last ones might not be a good idea ).

Probably not for long. The nature of rahi would probably mean that they could easily kill native animals and take over their environment. I can imagine their being agori animal guardians who kill rahi that enter special nature reserves for native creatures.

 

You think the Matoran and other MU beings are gonna leave it all to the Agori?  When they've had thousands of years of experience with most of these things? I think the Rahi are already taken care of.

[The Hip Historian Iaredios]

 

 

There are plenty of SM creatures to choose from, in that case.  Everything from Skopio to gravel hawks to venom eels (though, in hindsight, those last ones might not be a good idea ).

Probably not for long. The nature of rahi would probably mean that they could easily kill native animals and take over their environment. I can imagine their being agori animal guardians who kill rahi that enter special nature reserves for native creatures.

 

You think the Matoran and other MU beings are gonna leave it all to the Agori?  When they've had thousands of years of experience with most of these things? I think the Rahi are already taken care of.

 

I was thinking if rahi ventured beyond main MU immigrant civilizations. Warbands of agori environmental preservationists, protecting their home from biomechanical monsters. That sounds awesome.

[Toa Kayn]

My story takes place thousands of years after the reformation of Spherus Magna so everything suggested would be possible.

 

By the way Iaredious, that thing you said could be a story is similar to the one I'm doing right now in the sense that there is a more technologically advanced party.

[The 1st Shadow]

 

 

 

There are plenty of SM creatures to choose from, in that case.  Everything from Skopio to gravel hawks to venom eels (though, in hindsight, those last ones might not be a good idea ).

Probably not for long. The nature of rahi would probably mean that they could easily kill native animals and take over their environment. I can imagine their being agori animal guardians who kill rahi that enter special nature reserves for native creatures.

 

You think the Matoran and other MU beings are gonna leave it all to the Agori?  When they've had thousands of years of experience with most of these things? I think the Rahi are already taken care of.

 

I was thinking if rahi ventured beyond main MU immigrant civilizations. Warbands of agori environmental preservationists, protecting their home from biomechanical monsters. That sounds awesome.

 

Except the Agori and Matoran were said to be mostly living together. Sure, there might be some groups of either that branch off to make their own towns and cities elsewhere, but otherwise, they were doing their best to integrate into a single society.

[Cheesy Mac n Cheese]

There are plenty of SM creatures to choose from, in that case.  Everything from Skopio to gravel hawks to venom eels (though, in hindsight, those last ones might not be a good idea ).

 

I know all sources now say that they're from Spherus Magna, but weren't venom eels originally MU native? City of the Lost mentions them having armor and being related to lava eels (which are MU native).

[The 1st Shadow]

 

There are plenty of SM creatures to choose from, in that case.  Everything from Skopio to gravel hawks to venom eels (though, in hindsight, those last ones might not be a good idea ).

 

I know all sources now say that they're from Spherus Magna, but weren't venom eels originally MU native? City of the Lost mentions them having armor and being related to lava eels (which are MU native).

 

Ehlek could have armored his soldiers. And the Matoran would have identified them as eel-like creatures, and may have looked similar, causing that belief of relation.

[Votuko]

Wait, why would the SM-native animals need to be protected from the Rahi?

 

With the GSR shut down, the systems that replaced Rahi are unlikely to still function (or if they do, they certainly won't function indefinitely with no-one to maintain them). If I remember correctly, Rahi cannot reproduce, so their population will gradually diminish over time (either from ageing, conflict, or predation) until they go extinct.

 

SM-native creatures can reproduce, on the other hand, so they will continue to flourish even if some individuals are eaten by Rahi. (Also, creatures like the Skopio look tough enough to me to hold their own against a Rahi...)

[The Hip Historian Iaredios]

Wait, why would the SM-native animals need to be protected from the Rahi?

 

With the GSR shut down, the systems that replaced Rahi are unlikely to still function (or if they do, they certainly won't function indefinitely with no-one to maintain them). If I remember correctly, Rahi cannot reproduce, so their population will gradually diminish over time (either from ageing, conflict, or predation) until they go extinct.

 

SM-native creatures can reproduce, on the other hand, so they will continue to flourish even if some individuals are eaten by Rahi. (Also, creatures like the Skopio look tough enough to me to hold their own against a Rahi...)

Because rahi have natural metal armor, and many are powerful and have superpowers. Not to mention they are basically immortal, so they wont just die out after a while while food is available.

[Regitnui]

 

 

Wait, why would the SM-native animals need to be protected from the Rahi?

 

With the GSR shut down, the systems that replaced Rahi are unlikely to still function (or if they do, they certainly won't function indefinitely with no-one to maintain them). If I remember correctly, Rahi cannot reproduce, so their population will gradually diminish over time (either from ageing, conflict, or predation) until they go extinct.

 

SM-native creatures can reproduce, on the other hand, so they will continue to flourish even if some individuals are eaten by Rahi. (Also, creatures like the Skopio look tough enough to me to hold their own against a Rahi...)

Because rahi have natural metal armor, and many are powerful and have superpowers. Not to mention they are basically immortal, so they wont just die out after a while while food is available.

The consequences for the SM ecosystem is catastrophic in the short term. We're talking 'artificially-induced mass extinction'. The toughest (Skopio) and most adaptable animals on Spherus Magna will likely survive and evolve when the biomechanical rahi begin to shut down, but it'll be a horrible few millennia.

[Cheesy Mac n Cheese]

Greg also said something about Miserix picking Rahi creation back up if he finds energized protodermis and viruses. But that's a big "if." There's probably no natural EP left on Spherus Magna, and we don't know if the viruses were ever there in the first place, so he'd probably have to wait till the robot is dismantled.