BoristheBiomech Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 (edited) Now ever since Greg told us that the matoran dont have feelings, many fans tried to figure out a way for them to have them . One such person proposed an alternate universe, but Greg said that the Great beings thought that it woud be pointless in all universes. Well I'm makin this topic for you guys to try and figure out a good reason for feelings. Donate your ideas to the Give Matoran feelings charity foundation. I'm opening wih this: The GB were afraid that Mata Nui woud not find any other civilizations to observe, or that the civilations that he woud find woud not give any useful data. So they tried to make the matoran more living than just mindless workers so that, if given no other options, MN coud observe them as an actual civilazation. Go on. Say your ideas or comment on other peoples ones.Gee, I sure do hope nobody ever did a similar topic... I dont even have to look to know that lots of people already did... ow well, who(kii) cares. Edited June 18, 2015 by BoristheBiomech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnderscoreChronix Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Uh... at what point did Greg say Matoran don't have feelings?Like, ever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infrared Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 I don't think the GBs intended the Matoran to have sapience or feelings. Velika somehow made the Matoran sapient during Mata Nui's voyage. Quote Helryx BS01 / Flickr Makuta, Master of Nothing (The Legend Continues) / 3D Printed Nuva Cube / Okoto font! Zemahri, Toa of Sand / Dark Hunter Rampage (BBC 73) / Arkhevai / Keetongu, Venom Healer (BBC 69) / Voodude (BftGM) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyichir Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Because it would have been a pretty boring story if they hadn't. 1 Quote Formerly Lyichir: Rachira of Influence Aanchir's and Meiko's brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sumiki Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the Matoran intended to be the mindless inner workings of the MU, much like cells are to the human body? I was under the impression that an "error" in the machine caused them to have feelings. Quote avatar by Lady Kopaka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishers64 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the Matoran intended to be the mindless inner workings of the MU, much like cells are to the human body? I was under the impression that an "error" in the machine caused them to have feelings.That's what I got too. Probably a development from the normal routine vs. emergency routine programming (good and bad states) and the Matoran's ability for creative/adaptation problem solving. Edited June 19, 2015 by fishers64 Quote Hero Factory RPG | Bionicle Mafia XXIX: Storyline & Theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesy Mac n Cheese Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the Matoran intended to be the mindless inner workings of the MU, much like cells are to the human body? I was under the impression that an "error" in the machine caused them to have feelings.That's what I got too. Probably a development from the normal routine vs. emergency routine programming (good and bad states) and the Matoran's ability for creative/adaptation problem solving. They weren't completely mindless or emotionless. They were just a lot less Individual. Their personalities were largely absent, and their morality was a lot more practical than ideal, I guess. Kind of like a Toa saying "I'm going to save your life because the universe will stop working if I don't" rather than "I'm going to save your life because you're my friend and it's the right thing to do." The reason the MU inhabitants have complete mental and emotional independence is because Velika tampered with them as part of an experiment that the other Great Beings weren't aware of. If you want to see what MU inhabitants were like before he did this, check out The Powers That Be. I admit I haven't personally read it yet, but it's my understanding that the Kestora in the Red Star that appear in the serial were not granted full sapience by Velika, because they were out of range. They have basically no morals, and they have no problem with killing. However, they do have limited independent thinking. EDIT: I just realized this should probably be in S&T. Edited June 19, 2015 by Cheesy Mac n Cheese 1 Quote My friend went to Po-Wahi and all I got was this lousy rock. Blue sea...a Ruki leaps...the sound of water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makuta_of_Oz Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Basically, they were made pretty much as machines by the GBs until Velika programmed feelings and personalities into them. Quote If you use correct grammar in your posts (or try hard to), place this in your signature. Join Myst's campaign for correct grammar usage on BZPower! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Six Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Moving to Storyline & Theories... Quote Bio of a BZP Admin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesiii Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 Sorry, it's simply a fan misconception that they don't have feelings. Every portrayal of them before the full sapience update happened showed them with fairly normal feelings. Sapience isn't needed to have feelings (and they had partial sapience anyways) -- look at animals like dogs. If anything, many dogs seem to have less ability to calm themselves than humans. And we wouldn't expect them not to, except if we presume the GBs weren't that good at making AI (which would be possible, of course, but not the route LEGO decided to go) -- feelings help beings / fictional AI react better to typical situations. A sense of fear, for example, can (when used properly) make a being take a threat more seriously and focus more on stopping it. And really, any calm calculating equivalent that will have the same results will be pretty much indistinguishable from emotion to observers, so could be fairly called feelings anyways. Quote The Destiny of Bionicle (chronological retelling of Bionicle original series, 9 PDFs of 10 chapters each on Google Drive): Part 1 - Warring with Fate | Part 2 - Year of Change | Part 3 - The Exploration Trap | Part 4 - Rise of the Warlords | Part 5 - A Busy Matoran | Part 6 - The Dark Time | Part 7 - Proving Grounds | Part 8 - A Rude Awakening | Part 9 - The Battle of Giants My Bionicle Fanfiction (Google Drive folder, eventually planned to have PDFs of all of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegoSWfan Posted June 20, 2015 Share Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) Perhaps for the same reason we are trying to build computers that are more and more like us, being able to think and feel (both physically and physiologically). After all, wouldn't you want to see how real you could get your creations to be? Edited June 20, 2015 by Decepticonwarrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa Kohron Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Does nobody remember that Matoran were originally simply lifeless, mechanical things? What gave them life and sapience was the Mask of Life. Thus event is detailed in Legends...#3 I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 1st Shadow Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Does nobody remember that Matoran were originally simply lifeless, mechanical things? What gave them life and sapience was the Mask of Life. Thus event is detailed in Legends...#3 I think.No, it was Velika's tampering with the system that gave them a wider range of emotions and self-awareness. Nothing was ever said about the Ignika giving them that. Quote ~Your friendly, neighborhood Shadow ~Credit for Avatar and Banner goes to NickonAquaMagna~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hip Historian Iaredios Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I thought I could clear some stuff up here: Sapience means human-like, in both appearance and mental comprehension. Sentience means an organism (usually, not always) has the ability think and comprehend rationally. The two words are similar, but not the same. As something sapient is sentient, not everything sentient is sapient. Your question has been answered by others, so I won't go into details; just look here:http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php/Matoranhttp://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php/Velika I hope I helped. 1 Quote A RUDE AWAKENING - A Spherus Magna redo | Tzais-Kuluu | Pushing Back The Tide | Last Words | Black Coronation | Blue Man Bound | Visions of Thasos ن We are all but grey specks in a dark complex before a single white light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesy Mac n Cheese Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Does nobody remember that Matoran were originally simply lifeless, mechanical things? What gave them life and sapience was the Mask of Life. Thus event is detailed in Legends...#3 I think.No, it was Velika's tampering with the system that gave them a wider range of emotions and self-awareness. Nothing was ever said about the Ignika giving them that. They weren't originally lifeless, either. They always had organic components (which is what really defines "life" as opposed to machine) and limited emotions and independent thinking. Quote My friend went to Po-Wahi and all I got was this lousy rock. Blue sea...a Ruki leaps...the sound of water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zidonaro Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I always assumed they "evolved" and developed sapience, feelings and stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 1st Shadow Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I always assumed they "evolved" and developed sapience, feelings and stuff.It was confirmed that Velika did it, but that could easily have been how he did it--tampered with the system so that he could watch the MU inhabitants grow and develop as a people. Quote ~Your friendly, neighborhood Shadow ~Credit for Avatar and Banner goes to NickonAquaMagna~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesy Mac n Cheese Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I always assumed they "evolved" and developed sapience, feelings and stuff.It was confirmed that Velika did it, but that could easily have been how he did it--tampered with the system so that he could watch the MU inhabitants grow and develop as a people. He used a "virus." Basically, a computer virus with a physical form. You know, one of those things that makes absolutely no sense in real-life terms. Quote My friend went to Po-Wahi and all I got was this lousy rock. Blue sea...a Ruki leaps...the sound of water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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