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So, the old topic kind of died with little being resolved, but I liked the idea too much to let it go. If you've ever taken a look at BS01's Unnamed Species List, you'll find a ridiculous number of sapient species in the MU. Many of them are the Barraki or members of the OoMN or Dark Hunters, many of which were just waved off as their own species.
 
But as we looked closer, there are many characters with similar physical traits, powers, or histories. Many of the inconsistencies are easily explained by mutations or technology, or simply interspecies variations. Just as Matoran and Skakdi have elemental subspecies, many of these other species could be divided up in new ways.
 
I've read through the old topic again, and I've compiled a new list of species and subspecies based on these suggestions. Please note these are all my own decisions and they are by no means the right ones. I welcome suggestion or debate on any of them, otherwise I wouldn't have made a topic.
 

Canon

1. Makuta
     Prototypes
          Darkness

          Eliminator

          Shadow Stealer

Originally designed by the Great Beings to be keepers of order and creators of the Rahi. The early prototypes were given elemental Shadow and often additional powers, but the versions perfected and created by Mata Nui were also given the 42 Kraata Powers plus a few extras. They have the ability to use Kanohi.
 

2. Matoran

     Subspecies

          Toa

          Turaga

The main inhabitants of the Matoran Universe, built to maintain Mata Nui's inner workings. Each Matoran possesses an elemental affiliation that is manifested as elemental control should they become a Toa or Turaga. They also have the ability to use Kanohi.

 

3. Skakdi

Inhabitants of Zakaz, initially peaceful and powerless until Makuta Spiriah's modifications, from which they gained elemental powers when used with another Skakdi, vision powers, and other abilities, as well as an unquenchable thirst for violence. This species is known for their claws, wide grins, and long spines.

 

4. Steltan
     Subspecies
          Upper Class
          Brutaka

          Hydraxon

          Sidorak
          Voporak
          The Steltan Upper Class are tall and vaguely Toa-like. Though they can wear Kanohi, they do not depend on their use as the Matoran do. A little known fact about them is that they grow far more powerful when exposed to Antidermis, a plausible explanation for their dominance of the other, more powerful species of Stelt.
          Servant
          Krekka
          The Servants of Stelt, otherwise known as "Bruisers," are large and powerful beings, but their lack of intelligence keeps them from dominating the upper class. They are commonly used as workers or body guards. They are unable to use Kanohi.
          Slave
          Gladiator

          The Slaves of Stelt are even larger and more powerful than the Servants, and their speed and agility is unmatched by the others, but many are somehow forced into fighting for entertainment.

 

5. Vortixx

     Roodaka
     Conjurer

The inventive and intelligent inhabitants of Xia. They are typically tall and armored in black. Their society is dominated by the women with little opportunity for men. Conjurer stole their advanced technology and set out for a life of his own and became a ruler of a small group of Matoran. They are able to wear Kanohi.

     Subspecies

          Johmak

          A subspecies of the Vortixx with the ability to shatter their bodies into crystal and reform at will.

          Lariska

          The original inhabitants of Odina before they were betrayed by Lariska and destroyed with the sole exception of her.

 

6. Zyglak

An amphibious species with a hatred for Matoran. Their scaly skin is coated with an organic Protodermis destroying disease. They are immune to Pit Mutagen and virtually invulnerable to elemental attacks.

 

 

Barraki

7. Carapar

     Axxon
Carapar's race was one of the first created in the Matoran Universe, as implied by Axonn's status as an ex-Hand of Artahka member. This species inhabited the Southern Isles and were dominated by warlords such as Axonn and Carapar, the latter of whom was called to be a Barraki. This species is generally large and powerful and have the ability to use Kanohi.

 

8. Ehlek
In appearance, this species closely resembles Ehlek's mutated form. They are unable to breathe air and are thus confined to the oceans around Zakaz without breathing apparatuses. Each member has been modified by the OoMN, giving them great strength and powerful claws to kill Makuta. They are also able to wear Kanohi.

 

9. Kalmah

A species with the ability to wear Kanohi.

 

10. Mantax
     Trinuma

This tall species is known for the large horns protruding from the back of their heads, though these became tentacles when Mantax was mutated. They also are able to wear Kanohi.

 

11. Pridak
     Tobduk

The original inhabitants of Visorak. Pridak was taken to be a Barraki long before most of the rest of his civilization was destroyed by the Visorak. This species is generally tall and powerful and typically has the ability to feed on emotion to grow stronger. They are able to wear Kanohi.

 

12. Takadox

A species with the abilities to hypnotize others and wear Kanohi.

 

 

Other
13. Airwatcher
Airwatchers' backstory seems to imply he is one of the last of his kind. Perhaps the others were hunted to extinction or killed themselves off due to their own dim-wittedness. His classification as a sentient species is questionable, and he could easily be a mislabeled Rahi. Airwatcher possesses wings and a chest launcher, the latter may have been the result of Dark Hunter modification.

 

14. Amphibax

An amphibious species with close relations to Ehlek's species, agile on land and in the sea. They also possess enhanced senses.

 

15. Botar
     Botar's Replacement
Another race hailing from the Southern Isles, known to be "savage," perhaps meaning more primitive or superstitious than the rest of the universe. This species towers over most others and has the ability to teleport and use Kanohi. 
 
16. Dweller
     Vanisher
     Vengeance
This is one of the few MU species to grow as they age, ranging from just below Toa height to towering titans. Their common traits include long, thin wings and horns atop their heads used to channel their psionic subpowers unique to each individual.

 

17. Krahka

     Triglax

A sentient species misclassified as a Rahi due to their shapeshifting habits, though they can also take the forms of other sentient beings. Some are able to copy inherent powers of the forms they take, or merge forms together. Very few remain after near devastation by the Visorak, many of whom remain in hiding or serving under more powerful beings who can protect them.

 

18. Mimic

A species from a distant land that was destroyed in a natural disaster. At least some members of this species possess photographic reflexes.

 

19. Nocturn
     Sentrakh 

A four-armed and powerful species with the ability to regrow lost limbs. They are immune to Pit Mutagen. Their home island was destroyed by Nocturn with few survivors. Sentrakh was taken before or after and heavily modified by The Shadowed One.
 

20. Primal
     Seeker

These two are the last survivors of a four-legged race whose island was ravaged by Visorak, and afterwards all but Primal were killed by The Shadowed One. Seeker was recruited as a servant of the Brotherhood of Makuta and escaped the destruction. They are known to be agile and strong.
 
21. Poison

A species nearly wiped out by Matoran as they were mistaken for violent Rahi. Their poison, which is ejected from their mouths, paralyzes the victim and is lethal within half an hour, though they are not immune. They also possess stunning tails.

 

22. The Shadowed One
     Ancient

A species from a bleak an icy land engulfed in a civil war. This species possesses limb-like tails and possible eye beams. Perhaps an overlap with Tyrant's species?
 

23. Tyrant

     Guardian
     Lurker

The residents of a small island to the south of Odina split between possibly elemental tribes, one of which Tyrant was a leader. Lurker killed another member of his species and was banished from his home. Tyrant left his position to become a Dark Hunter during the Toa/Dark Hunter War. Guardian's tribe was betrayed and he was the only survivor. This species is commonly red and wields natural weapons such as claws, teeth, tusks, and bladed tails, though it is not unknown for them to have elemental affiliations or even basic abilities.
 

 

 

Jerbraz, who cannot use Kanohi, and the inhabitants of Nynrah, intelligent crafters, are in there somewhere.

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Here's what I do with those extra species: Pretend a disaster of some kind wiped them out and leave only the matoran and rahi. :P

 

Anyway, while I don't really focus too much on gen 1's extraneous details, it's always cool to see a fan try to link different things together.


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This is a nice list you've made here, I'd love for it to be accepted into canon as I don't see anything wrong with it.

But knowing S&T there's going to be some sort of dispute in the following hours or minutes. 

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I had one of these lists... somewhere. Let me just find it. Ah, here we go!

 

 

Burlavores

-Carapar (Mutated), Sentrakh (Undead)
--The Burlavores are a race of orange-yellow hunchbacks with large mouths and sharp claws. Burlavores are known to devastate entire cities when they grow enraged, and many serve in whatever army is closest. Thankfully, Burlavores are incredibly rare off their homeland, and most of them are content to fight each other when their bloodlust is stoked.
 
Chiropods
-Seeker, Primal
--The Chiropods are centaurian insectoids, walking on four legs and generally holding a spear in their clawed hands. Their armor can range from white through silver to black, though their legs are usually silverish. A number of Chiropods are skilled hunters, seeking out trophies and being firm in their convictions about honorble combat.
 
Dermians
-Brutaka
--The Dermians are an ancient and elusive race, towering above the Toa with their blue and gold armor. They are more organic than normal biomechanical beings, and generally know how to manipulate energy in some way. Dermians view the Makuta as their fallen successors and will try to remove the damage done by the shadow lords; why this is has been lost to history.
 
Emacitan
-Takadox (Mutated)
--The Emacitan are a thin race with blue armor and large heads. They all have a mild hypnotic ability, able to subconciously convince other races that they are the same race as them; this has led to them being known as ghosts and manipulators, which isn't entirely inaccurate. Most Emacitan are incredibly secretive, and they are only known through their most famous member.
 
Frogaani
-Amphibax
--The Frogaani are blue-black creatures native to swampy regions, equally at home on land and in water. They have strong endurance, great senses, thick claws, and long legs. Frogaani are common sights all across the Matoran universe, as their natural traits let them swim long distances and therefore make them excellent explorers.
 
Ghielan
-Lariska
--The Ghielan are blue-green acrobats with a shock of hair extending from the back of their heads. They typically travel in groups, seeking to ingratiate themselves with the cities they visit and trade for whatever they need. However, a number of Ghielan will accept the challenge of theivery, viewing it as a test of their own abilities.
 
Graneex
-Johmak, Hydraxon, Mantax (Mutated), Devastator, Eliminator, Mimic
--The Graneex are tall, black creatures with silver armor, highlights of varying color, and slitted eyes. Many Graneex can dissolve into sand or crystal, while others absorb powers from artifacts or master weapons. This is known in their culture as the Integration, and makes them highly capable specil operations forces. Their personalities vary widely, but all tend to be firm in their beliefs.
 
Hervinak
-Ravager
--The Hervinak are tall and colorful reptiles that hunger for destruction wherever they go. The majority of them are put down whenever they are sighted, but a scant few are able to incorperate into society. Although they never remember anything about their past lives, it can be assumed that they are part of some society as they all wield partially intelligent weaponry.
 
Kestora
-Vanisher
--The Kestora resemble Matoran in form, but have neither elemental powers nor the ability to use the masks they wear. They do, however, have an intimate knowledge of the construction and function of biomechanical beings. The Kestora mostly live in the Red Star, attempting desperately to repair the damage that one of their own did so long ago.
 
Khepir
-Dweller
--The Khepir are black and white humanoid beetles whose entire society is built around their telepathic bond with each other. Khepir are generally peaceful, congregating around mysterious pyramids and sharing an unusually close bond with the Nubians. However, they will banish members of their society that prove to be dangerous.
 
Kromvites
-Kalmah (Mutated), Lurker (Modified)
--The Kromvites are an ancient race, being almost completely organic titans of red muscle. They rarely emote in the presence of other races; when they do, it's generally an expression of confidence. Kromvites have a minor regenerative ability and excellent senses of smell and hearing; they are one of the few races to routinely consume prey rather than just absorb energy.
 
Luuvax
-Nocturn
--The Luuvax are bioluminescent amphibians with a secondary pair of arms that taper off into long tentacles. They are rarely encountered above terrestial depths, although they will forge islands of thin coral to trade with land dwellers if necessary. Luuvax posess great strength and a powerful regenerative ability, useful for a race that lives with the deepest of dwellers.
 
Makuta
-Prime Race
--The Makuta are shapeshifting shadow creatures whose armor comes in varying shades of dark. They have a slew of powers, can create dangerous creatures for their armies, and have united to form one of the most powerful organizations in the Matoran universe. While they were once a race loyal to Mata Nui, they now seek to conquer all the known world.
 
Marivol
-Ehlek (Mutated)
--The Marivol are a race of soft-shell turtle creatures native to the waters around Zakaz. They are generally very insular, not communicating with land dwellers due to a lack of mutual reference and trust. Every Marivol has protosteel claws that can rip through Makuta armor, but they rarely have the chance to use them.
 
Matoran
-Prime Race
--The Matoran are a race of small, industrious people found almost everywhere in the Matoran universe. Different tribes have different armor colors and different powers, but all of them need to wear masks and most of them are loyal to Mata Nui. While Matoran are generally not warriors, there are a number of exceptions to the rule.
 
Notaurans
-Conjurer, Vengeance
--The Notaurans are a race of bull-headed giants with a tendency toward brown, black, and other natural colors. Their horns let them project many sorts of mental powers, though which powers an individual has can vary. Notaurans also have a tendancy toward melodrama, often fitting themselves into a specific character and seeking out tools with which they can enact their role.
 
Nubians
-Botar, Botar's replacement
--The Nubians are humongus but rare jackal-headed guardians, with the power to teleport anywhere within the Matoran Universe. They will arm themselves with wrist blades and trinkets, intent more on intimidation than combat. Nubians will never start any fight, though, and are almost always zealously ensuring that certain doors are not found.
 
Repticar
-Ancient, The Shadowed One, Tyrant
--The Repitcar are a race of reptilian mercenaries, each one seeking power and wealth for themselves. Every Repticar has an absorbtion field of some sort that lets them harmlessly absorb something, whether it be heat, damage, or light. A number of Repticar individuals also have some sort of equipment or second ability. Repticar are regarded as dangerous and fickle by the universe at large.
 
Skakdi
-Prime Race
--The Skakdi are a race of violent warriors with minor elemental powers and a brutal rage. Every Skakdi has some form of vision power and a spine slug, as well as an individual power of some sort. While the Skakdi were once a peaceful people, the experiments performed by a member of the Makuta have warped them forever into the creatures they are today.
 
Steltakil
-Sidorak, Voporak (Mutated)
--The Steltakil are the black and red leading class of Stelt, reigning over the region with a combination of strength and tactical planning. Every Steltakil has claws and a number of them have grafted some sort of device onto their arm that lets them channel their raw power in a devastating beam. The Steltakil are intelligent but greedy, willing to tear each other down for a small power boost.
 
Steltapel
-Gladiator
--The Steltapel are massive subterranian insects with black armor and sharp claws on all six of their limbs. They are dangerously territorial, but rarely rise to the surface and prefer to simply remain in their tunnel systems. However, the Steltakil tend to capture Steltapel and force them to fight in their gladitorial arenas.
 
Steltasol
-Krekka
--The Steltasol are blue-armored giants with silver highlights native to Stelt, where they serve as a middle class and generally act as soldiers or enforcers. Steltasol are capable of propelled levitation, but their primary ability is simple raw strength. Steltasol are not as aggressive as Steltakil by nature, and only fight because they are commanded to by their leaders.
 
Toa
-Prime Race
--The Toa are an elementally potent race of guardians and defenders, some of whom were Matoran at one point. Every Toa is capable of using masks of power, and they train regularly to control their elemental abilities. Toa view themselves as peace keepers and try their best not to become soldiers, but they have been forced into open war on occasion.
 
Tunzok
-Axonn, Jerbraz (Mutated), Tobduk, Trinuma, Pridak (Mutated), Guardian
--The Tunzok are a race of giant warriors with a proud, honorable, and slightly arrogant culture. Their armor is primarily red, with highlights that can range from white through silver to gray; their muscles are black with mottled blue spots, although some individuals have the mottling reversed. Most Tunzok have soldier training, carrying a weapon and wearing some sort of mask.
 
Turaga
-Prime Race
--Former Toa who have given up their power, the Turaga serve as leaders and advisors to the Matoran. While their form is diminished from the one they once were, they retain the wisdom and experience they gained as Toa, alongside the ability to use lesser Kanohi and a few elemental tricks to surprise anyone who would attack their people.
 
Veptera
-Poison
--The Veptera are a nearly extinct race of dangerous predators, having an almost feral appearance as they run across the land. Every indivudal has unique stripes, sharp claws, a powerful tail, and venomous fangs. Veptera were hunted almost to extinction by the Matoran; those few that remain are incredibly good at surviving and hate their hunters with unending passion.
 
Vevise
-Airwatcher
--The Vevise are striped gray creatures that sport a pair of wings and thick hands and feet. They tend to live under cliffs and in caves, crawling along the rock face and ready to swoop down on intruders. The majority of them barely speak, but they are intelligent enough to use tools and communicate in strange screeches.
 
Vortixx
-Roodaka
--Native to the industrial island of Xia, the Vortixx are ruthless and cunning weaponsmiths and traders. While they do not, on the whole, care for influencing wars or changing the ruling faction, their lust for profit will drive them to join whomever they believe will win a particular engagement. Vortixx lack the special powers many beings in the Matoran universe have, but make up for it with a wide variety of weapons, duplicitous tongues, and canny minds.
 
Zsil
-Darkness
--The Zsil are four armed black creatures with an incredible degree of flexibility. They don't seem to have any armor at all, generally have short lives, and some suspect they are actually not native to the Matoran universe. Whatever the case, the Zsil are always loyal to other Zsil, and none of them take a name other than Zsil, though they will accept titles.
 
Zyglak
-UNNAMED
--The Zyglak are hated and feared throughout the matoran universe as bringers of terrible plagues and monsters that prowl in the murky nights. Whenever one is spotted, all the people in the area will work together to drive it away. Unfortunatly, the Zyglak are cunning enough to hide until they can come out en masse...
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I had one of these lists... somewhere. Let me just find it. Ah, here we go!

*snipped*

 

Wow, it seems a lot of work has gone into that. There's a lot of great details, but some things seem to be a little too specific. I tend to ignore anything about personality when putting this list together, and I like to leave colors open too. I would borrow some of those names and bios if they were more official. Darkness' backstory in particular is cool.

 

There are a few comparisons I like though. Carapar and Sentrahk seems to work well, and I'm thinking of moving Sentrakh there from Nocturn's species. Kalmah and Lurker and The Shadowed One, Ancient, and Tyrant. I'm thinking about merging those last five along with Guardian into one species. Their histories seem to merge well, and their appearances are close enough that they could be the same species. I may borrow some of those ideas like the absorbing fields to make it work, if that's okay.

 

I'm thinking Lurker, Kalmah and Tyrant are members of a "Heat" tribe, Guardian is of the "Dust" tribe, Ancient is "Strength" or something, and The Shadowed One is "Chaos" or something. I'm just trying to come up with something that fits their powers.

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This is excellent! I don't think it's necessary to say Vanisher's species grows with age, since some species could presumably vary in stature.

 

EDIT: I don't think many of those proposed changes make sense. Sentrakh has four arms and is tall and thin, not at all like Carapar. And Tyrant and Lurker both have long, flexible tails, while TSO and Ancient both have short ones. Kalmah and Guardian have no tails at all. Guardian doesn't even seem to have a face.

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Very nice list!  I especially like the idea of prototype Makuta.

 

Here are a couple of ideas that I have: 

 

Tracker: I've headcanoned him as being a Vortixx who was mutated by Roodaka because he blocked her ascension into some sort of higher political standing, and was subsequently exiled due to his mutation/Roodaka's higher standing.  (I don't really have any evidence supporting this theory other than they (Tracker and Roodaka) look marginally similar... and I like the headcanon :P)

 

OoMN Giant 4-armed Brute: I think he could fall in with Nocturn's species since, well, 4 arms and giant fit in with what we know about Nocturn's species. (Perhaps he was picked up by Order agents when they went to do some sort of damage analysis on his island after Nocturn destroyed it :shrugs:)

 

In regards to merging TSO and Tyrant's species, I'm for it.  However, if I could just add, maybe there are two different species on the island (one is a subspecies of the other), where Ancient, Lurker, Guardian, and Tyrant are some kind of common species, while TSO's species is a type of ruling class, the warlords of the island(for the most part anyway). 

 

Also, if I may suggest: I would add Hydraxon to Carapar's species (and no, it's not because Axonn and Hydraxon have similar names).  My reasoning is that they are both very heavily armored, tall(er than a Toa), and both have the ability to wear Kanohi (then again, both Carapar and Sidorak's species have that ability, so that's actually kinda worthless evidence on my part...).  And, with what we know ... I just had a revelation mid-sentence.  All of the Barraki species were created by Mata Nui, and both Hydraxon and Axonn both worked for the Hand of Artakha, and since the Hand operated before Mata Nui awoke, they couldn't possibly be apart of Carapar's species... so maybe make them their own species? (I just don't see Hydraxon as being the same species as Sidorak and Brutaka, since they seemingly have little armor and are a thin and tall species, while Hydraxon is short(er than them), and not very thin at all...)

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I really like most of these! I would only make one change: while I like the idea of Hydraxon as a Steltian, it seems pretty clear to me that Brutaka is not one, given his coloration and (mainly) his race's two known traits: Antidermis absorption and slight Pit Mutagen resistance. I'm also not too convinced on Tobduk being of Pridak's race, though I like the relation of Trinuma and Mantax (especially the horn bit).

 

Several of these are quite nice actually, like the OoMN member and Sentrakh being of Nocturn's species, or Conjurer being a Vortixx (this is a personal favorite of mine-- we need more Vortixx representation!). The prototype Makuta idea is cool too. Maybe this could be expanded to other species, like the Matoran family? I could see Tobduk being a prototype Toa.


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This is excellent! I don't think it's necessary to say Vanisher's species grows with age, since some species could presumably vary in stature.

 

It is confirmed that Ussals grow with age, so I thought it could be a plausible explanation for the great size difference between Dweller and Vengeance. They seemed to vary in size far beyond what a typical species would.

 

EDIT: I don't think many of those proposed changes make sense. Sentrakh has four arms and is tall and thin, not at all like Carapar.

Yeah, I think I'll keep Sentrakh with Nocturn. Though Carapar and Sentrakh are both heavily mutated, additional limbs seems a little much.

 

And Tyrant and Lurker both have long, flexible tails, while TSO and Ancient both have short ones. Kalmah and Guardian have no tails at all. Guardian doesn't even seem to have a face.

The tails are the only real obstacle with lumping those last one in together. Nearly all of them, with the exception of Ancient, have tusks, all have claws, most have digitigrade legs, and the greatest factor is their very similar histories. All come from a land ruled by warlords and in a civil war.

 

It seems to make sense to me. Perhaps the tails are a variation among the subspecies or tribes, given to help them adapt to their chosen environment.

 

In regards to merging TSO and Tyrant's species, I'm for it.  However, if I could just add, maybe there are two different species on the island (one is a subspecies of the other), where Ancient, Lurker, Guardian, and Tyrant are some kind of common species, while TSO's species is a type of ruling class, the warlords of the island(for the most part anyway). 

This could work as well. Steltans are broken up into multiple subspecies, including the ruling class. The only problem would be that Tyrant and Kalmah would be rulers as well, so they would also be a part of that ruling class unless there was a coup or something between the time TSO left and Tyrant was recruited.

 

 

Also, if I may suggest: I would add Hydraxon to Carapar's species (and no, it's not because Axonn and Hydraxon have similar names).  My reasoning is that they are both very heavily armored, tall(er than a Toa), and both have the ability to wear Kanohi (then again, both Carapar and Sidorak's species have that ability, so that's actually kinda worthless evidence on my part...).  And, with what we know ... I just had a revelation mid-sentence.  All of the Barraki species were created by Mata Nui, and both Hydraxon and Axonn both worked for the Hand of Artakha, and since the Hand operated before Mata Nui awoke, they couldn't possibly be apart of Carapar's species... so maybe make them their own species?

Hydraxon and Axonn were together on the previous list, and a lot of people had a problem with it. They said the only possible rationalization for it was their similar names, and they shared no physical characteristics or powers. I was sure to break them up this time, and it seems to be better accepted.

 

There actually was an explanation for Axonn's creation in the last topic, but I wasn't sure if it needed mentioning here. It was said Axonn was created as a first template, and then he operated under the Hand of Artahka. After Mata Nui awoke, he created more of Axonn's species, including Carapar.

 

(I just don't see Hydraxon as being the same species as Sidorak and Brutaka, since they seemingly have little armor and are a thin and tall species, while Hydraxon is short(er than them), and not very thin at all...)

Personally, I see a lot of similarities between Hydraxon, Sidorak, and Brutaka. Though I can't be sure, as I never owned most of those sets, they all appear to be approximately the same height (though I see Hydraxon would be a bit shorter, though he might be mutated), and they all have a very similar body structure with broad shoulders, thin waists, and clawed feet. Any inconsistencies in their histories can be explained by Hydraxon and Brutaka's jobs. They were probably taken for the Order long before Stelt became ruled by the upper class. Hydraxon probably fits under the same categorization as Axonn, a template, as he also served under the Hand of Artakha.

 

I really like most of these! I would only make one change: while I like the idea of Hydraxon as a Steltian, it seems pretty clear to me that Brutaka is not one, given his coloration and (mainly) his race's two known traits: Antidermis absorption and slight Pit Mutagen resistance.

Coloration could vary widely in the MU. We know Toa and Skakdi have many different colors, even among elements, and Vortixx are confirmed to have colored armor as well. It isn't too farfetched to assume Steltans can have many different colors as well. One possibility is that platinum armor is a mark of the ruling class, based on the first Steltan, Hydraxon, while gold armor is middle class, as Brutaka was never mentioned to be a ruler, but a prominent figure. The black, red, and blue could just be their natural coloration.

 

We also have never seen Hydraxon before the Pit or Sidorak after, and we have never seen either one in close proximity to Antidermis. It's entirely possible that those traits are from the Steltan species, but they were not widely known and had little reason to be. They were unlikely to venture to the Pit, and I doubt Makuta would be giving out free Antidermis samples.

 

I'm also not too convinced on Tobduk being of Pridak's race.

 

The relation between Tobduk and Pridak was simply convenient. The only known trait of most of the Barraki species was their use of Kanohi masks. They were also heavily mutated and could have appeared completely different prior to their imprisonment. And so, in matching up the Barraki species, I simply found which species were confirmed to wear Kanohi and attempted to match them to the appropriate Barraki. Carapar and Axonn are both bulky. Mantax and Trinuma both have horns. Pridak and Tobduk are both tall and lanky and fueled by emotion. It's simply my way to reduce the species count.

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I guess perhaps Guardian could be a tailless Frostlander, but it does seem like Axonn and Hydraxon should be of species older than the Barraki. Hydraxon could be a Steltian, while Axonn might just be his own thing. Greg never said Axonn had a species, as far as I know.

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1. Makuta

     Prototypes

          Darkness

          Eliminator

          Shadow Stealer

Originally designed by the Great Beings to be keepers of order and creators of the Rahi. The early prototypes were given elemental Shadow and often additional powers, but the versions perfected and created by Mata Nui were also given the 42 Kraata Powers plus a few extras. They have the ability to use Kanohi.

I have possible issues with these, though unsure:

1) Aren't those protodermic? Of course, it might not have been stated specifically, so yeah. But these seem very unlikely.

2) I've seen the Makuta as being made pretty much right off the bat in the MU's history, although to be fair my own retelling has them coming fairly late and shows Ehlek's species coming before them. But I don't picture there being specific prototypes to the Makuta, since they had such a unique origin.

However, it does make sense they might test the powers, so in a very loose sense, early protodermic species could be used to test a few features of the Makuta. But this wouldn't actually help condense the species list. :P

 

4. Steltan

     Subspecies

          Upper Class

          Brutaka

          Hydraxon

          Sidorak

          Voporak

          The Steltan Upper Class are tall and vaguely Toa-like. Though they can wear Kanohi, they do not depend on their use as the Matoran do. A little known fact about them is that they grow far more powerful when exposed to Antidermis, a plausible explanation for their dominance of the other, more powerful species of Stelt.

Only objection here is Brutaka with his extra arms. Of course, we don't know those are inherent to his species, but I'm going to treat it as a rule that this won't factor in what I say here, since it could apply to just about anything; so without specific evidence of a mutation, treat it as a separate species.

 

I also personally like to call them Steltians... no real reason though, and yours does make more sense. :P

 

  Servant

          Krekka

          The Servants of Stelt, otherwise known as "Bruisers," are large and powerful beings, but their lack of intelligence keeps them from dominating the upper class. They are commonly used as workers or body guards. They are unable to use Kanohi.

I would like to see more effort applied to having more people added to this one. He's pretty much your generic brute type, appearance-wise, and probably a lot of beings like other DH could work for that, I'd think?

 

I don't recall enough about the next Stelt entry to comment, but noting to self to look at it more closely; I can think of issues but they're probably irrelevant so I won't waste time typing them at the moment...

 

9. Kalmah

A species with the ability to wear Kanohi.

 

10. Mantax

     Trinuma

This tall species is known for the large horns protruding from the back of their heads, though these became tentacles when Mantax was mutated. They also are able to wear Kanohi.

 

11. Pridak

     Tobduk

The original inhabitants of Visorak. Pridak was taken to be a Barraki long before most of the rest of his civilization was destroyed by the Visorak. This species is generally tall and powerful and typically has the ability to feed on emotion to grow stronger. They are able to wear Kanohi.

 

12. Takadox

A species with the abilities to hypnotize others and wear Kanohi.

For the Barraki specifically, in my retelling I treated them as the same species (these four), in part because there was at least some kind of set representation I could repurpose to be their pre-mutation forms (the playset minifigs), and it looked basically the same. Although I don't think I actually said they were the same, and Takadox is clearly distinct, but they could be subspecies, or just take Takadox alone out of the group.

 

Interesting association of Tobduk and Pridak. It made me scratch my head at first, but given your argument in the descrption here (implied argument :P), it makes sense. (And I seem to recall that island was in Pridak's territory. If not, I'd say no.)

 

17. Krahka

     Triglax

A sentient species misclassified as a Rahi due to their shapeshifting habits, though they can also take the forms of other sentient beings. Some are able to copy inherent powers of the forms they take, or merge forms together. Very few remain after near devastation by the Visorak, many of whom remain in hiding or serving under more powerful beings who can protect them.

Interesting... I don't recall enough about Triglax... *wants to look it up later...*

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I guess perhaps Guardian could be a tailless Frostlander, but it does seem like Axonn and Hydraxon should be of species older than the Barraki. Hydraxon could be a Steltian, while Axonn might just be his own thing. Greg never said Axonn had a species, as far as I know.

 

Axonn was on the species list, but his bio mentions no others. If there were no others I could fit him in with, I would consider excluding him, but he fits nicely with Carapar.

 

And while I'm looking at the old topic, I thought I'd mention that "template species" idea for Axonn and Hydraxon came from T1Shadow. In summary, those two were created by the GBs around the same time as Helryx and later Mata Nui used them as templates to create Carapar's species and the Steltans, respectively. It nicely solves the timeline issues and creator issues with those two.

 

I have possible issues with these, though unsure:

1) Aren't those protodermic? Of course, it might not have been stated specifically, so yeah. But these seem very unlikely.

2) I've seen the Makuta as being made pretty much right off the bat in the MU's history, although to be fair my own retelling has them coming fairly late and shows Ehlek's species coming before them. But I don't picture there being specific prototypes to the Makuta, since they had such a unique origin.

However, it does make sense they might test the powers, so in a very loose sense, early protodermic species could be used to test a few features of the Makuta. But this wouldn't actually help condense the species list. :P

1. I suppose most species are assumed protodermic in the Bionicle Universe. Though it is possible they were Antidermic, I too see that as unlikely, though it could explain Darkness's ability to slip through tiny cracks. Rather, I would conjecture that protodermis was simpler to create and prototype species with, with Antidermis being used in the final construction.

2. That was my thought as well. These prototypes would pre-date the majority of the MU, being created by the GBs around the same time as Helryx and the Hand of Artakha. The idea of Makuta prototypes was initially proposed by Akavakaku, and I liked the idea enough to include it here. It was just a simpler way to get several likely unique beings under one label based on their similar powers while their appearances differed so greatly.

 

 

Only objection here is Brutaka with his extra arms. Of course, we don't know those are inherent to his species, but I'm going to treat it as a rule that this won't factor in what I say here, since it could apply to just about anything; so without specific evidence of a mutation, treat it as a separate species.

 

That was why, in the initial list, I rationalized Darkness and Brutaka as one species. And then I was yelled at for assuming the set arms were actual arms. Apparently they were just scabbards for his knives, and were never referred to as extra arms in story. And thus why he is now a Steltan.

 

 

I would like to see more effort applied to having more people added to this one. He's pretty much your generic brute type, appearance-wise, and probably a lot of beings like other DH could work for that, I'd think?

 

I would love to add some more characters to the bruisers species, but the histories and power sets never worked out. In the end, there just were no others I could think to merge with him. I would merge him with one of the Barraki, but the bruisers are confirmed to not wear Kanohi.

 

 

For the Barraki specifically, in my retelling I treated them as the same species (these four), in part because there was at least some kind of set representation I could repurpose to be their pre-mutation forms (the playset minifigs), and it looked basically the same. Although I don't think I actually said they were the same, and Takadox is clearly distinct, but they could be subspecies, or just take Takadox alone out of the group.

 

Interesting association of Tobduk and Pridak. It made me scratch my head at first, but given your argument in the descrption here (implied argument :P), it makes sense. (And I seem to recall that island was in Pridak's territory. If not, I'd say no.)

 

I believe Greg confirmed each Barraki was from a different species. It was something that came up in the old topic, and I approve of the logic there. Otherwise there would be one privileged race in the MU, and the selection of the Barraki would seem unfair to the rest of the universe.

 

As I said above, Pridak was just chosen for his tall, lanky build and emotional nature. It seemed like a possible combination I was willing to try out. I looked it up, and it seems possible that Visorak could have been in his "northeastern" realm, though it would be on the very edge (though it is also inside Mata Nui's arm, and so with that separation from the rest of the universe, it seems likely), and that would really seem to confirm it.

 

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17. Krahka

     Triglax

A sentient species misclassified as a Rahi due to their shapeshifting habits, though they can also take the forms of other sentient beings. Some are able to copy inherent powers of the forms they take, or merge forms together. Very few remain after near devastation by the Visorak, many of whom remain in hiding or serving under more powerful beings who can protect them.

Interesting... I don't recall enough about Triglax... *wants to look it up later...*

 

I apologize for having curiosity as well. http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php/Triglax

 

The real reason I was posting was to register an objection to the fact that the species was "misclassified" as a Rahi. I think that is uneccessary, since if I'm reading BS01 correctly Triglax could be a Rahi, and there's no reason that Krahka couldn't be a Rahi, since Keetongu was a Rahi, and he had a brain. 

 

(Other than that, connection plausible.) 

 

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1. Makuta

     Prototypes

          Darkness

          Eliminator

          Shadow Stealer

Originally designed by the Great Beings to be keepers of order and creators of the Rahi. The early prototypes were given elemental Shadow and often additional powers, but the versions perfected and created by Mata Nui were also given the 42 Kraata Powers plus a few extras. They have the ability to use Kanohi.

I can't say I'm a fan of Makuta prototypes. Also, being a "Makuta Prototype" does not make them of the same species as the Makuta, so I think there is at least two species here.  

 

4. Steltan

     Subspecies

          Upper Class

          Brutaka

          Hydraxon

          Sidorak

          Voporak

          The Steltan Upper Class are tall and vaguely Toa-like. Though they can wear Kanohi, they do not depend on their use as the Matoran do. A little known fact about them is that they grow far more powerful when exposed to Antidermis, a plausible explanation for their dominance of the other, more powerful species of Stelt.

I still don't like the inclusion of Brutaka here, simply because both Hydraxon and Voporak fought Makuta Teridax, and possibly other Makuta throughout their long lives. Given the Brotherhood-DH and Brotherhood-League wars (Stelt could have been on the side of the League) I find the idea that they all had antidermis makes-em-stronger powers and didn't know about it somewhat implausible.

 

5. Vortixx

     Roodaka

     Conjurer

The inventive and intelligent inhabitants of Xia. They are typically tall and armored in black. Their society is dominated by the women with little opportunity for men. Conjurer stole their advanced technology and set out for a life of his own and became a ruler of a small group of Matoran. They are able to wear Kanohi.

     Subspecies

          Johmak

          A subspecies of the Vortixx with the ability to shatter their bodies into crystal and reform at will.

          Lariska

          The original inhabitants of Odina before they were betrayed by Lariska and destroyed with the sole exception of her.

 

3. Something I've wondered. If you take someone like Lariska who probably won't have a set, could you say something in the story like, "she had black vortixx like armor but sleeker" describe the arm, toa size, etc. or however you wanted to describe her and that would be canon for appeareance despite her not having a set, or couldn't you do that in case there would be a set of her eventually?

 

3) I don't know why people think she looks like a Vortixx, when she isn't one. At any rate, I don't do a lot of description of characters in my books because I don't picture them when I create them -- I hear them.

Lariska is not a Vortixx.

 

15. Botar

     Botar's Replacement

Another race hailing from the Southern Isles, known to be "savage," perhaps meaning more primitive or superstitious than the rest of the universe. This species towers over most others and has the ability to teleport and use Kanohi. 

I never got the impression that this species was savage.

 

20. Primal

     Seeker

These two are the last survivors of a four-legged race whose island was ravaged by Visorak, and afterwards all but Primal were killed by The Shadowed One. Seeker was recruited as a servant of the Brotherhood of Makuta and escaped the destruction. They are known to be agile and strong.

I instantly saw this as the two of them having a leg strapped together and being forced to run in a deadly contest of speed with the rest of their species.  

 

 

This is excellent! I don't think it's necessary to say Vanisher's species grows with age, since some species could presumably vary in stature.

 

It is confirmed that Ussals grow with age, so I thought it could be a plausible explanation for the great size difference between Dweller and Vengeance. They seemed to vary in size far beyond what a typical species would.

 

Dweller and Vengence are Ussals?

 

 

I'm also not too convinced on Tobduk being of Pridak's race.

 

The relation between Tobduk and Pridak was simply convenient. The only known trait of most of the Barraki species was their use of Kanohi masks. They were also heavily mutated and could have appeared completely different prior to their imprisonment. And so, in matching up the Barraki species, I simply found which species were confirmed to wear Kanohi and attempted to match them to the appropriate Barraki. Carapar and Axonn are both bulky. Mantax and Trinuma both have horns. Pridak and Tobduk are both tall and lanky and fueled by emotion. It's simply my way to reduce the species count.

 

I'd normally do a massive shrug to this, but if Pridak had strength from emotion like Tobduk has, I'd think he'd behave more like Tobduk, and less like Pridak.

 

I believe Greg confirmed each Barraki was from a different species.

Pretty sure that's correct. Let me run the wheels, though. 

 

6. I'm a little confused about the League of Six Kingdoms. It was an experiment of Mata Nui's right? So did he create the Barraki just to rule? The reason I'm confused is because there was more than one of Ehlek's species, so he wasn't created just for ruling, correct?

 

6) The Barraki species were not created to be rulers, but the LOSK was something Mata Nui made happen and allowed to happen.

 

2. I don't meen to keep bothering you about questions regarding the Barraki's species, but is it possible that some of the Barraki are Steltians, like Sidorak's, Krekka's or Gladiator's species?

 

2) I don't believe so, no. My vision of them was that they were species we had not seen before.

Note the plural.

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My own theory for Pridak being a Visorakian (?) is that his powers come not from anger, but pride, which would work well with his aloof attitude, and his hatred for his downfall. With so little left to be proud of, he was severely weakened and desperate to return to the glory days. 


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The real reason I was posting was to register an objection to the fact that the species was "misclassified" as a Rahi. I think that is uneccessary, since if I'm reading BS01 correctly Triglax could be a Rahi, and there's no reason that Krahka couldn't be a Rahi, since Keetongu was a Rahi, and he had a brain. 

 

(Other than that, connection plausible.)

 

I put that in because Greg has adamantly opposed classifying Triglax and Krahka as the same species, citing that "Triglax is not considered a Rahi," while Krahka is. I brought up the issue in my "What is a ''Rahi'" topic, and the only agreed-on definition was that it was all Matoran-defined, so it is entirely possible Krahka was classified as a Rahi while Triglax was not based on their settings.

 

I can't say I'm a fan of Makuta prototypes. Also, being a "Makuta Prototype" does not make them of the same species as the Makuta, so I think there is at least two species here.

 

It's a similar reason as to why other species have listed subspecies beneath their names. It keeps things less cluttered. Technically, they are Makuta, just at an earlier stage of evolution.

 

I still don't like the inclusion of Brutaka here, simply because both Hydraxon and Voporak fought Makuta Teridax, and possibly other Makuta throughout their long lives. Given the Brotherhood-DH and Brotherhood-League wars (Stelt could have been on the side of the League) I find the idea that they all had antidermis makes-em-stronger powers and didn't know about it somewhat implausible.

 

Also note that Brutaka fell into an entire vat of Antidermis before the effects were manifested. While those two fought Makuta, they would likely only be exposed to trace amounts of Antidermis leaking from the Makuta's armor, and the effects would not be as noticeable. Thus why it is a little known trait, because large quantities of Antidermis are not easily accessible.

 

 

3. Something I've wondered. If you take someone like Lariska who probably won't have a set, could you say something in the story like, "she had black vortixx like armor but sleeker" describe the arm, toa size, etc. or however you wanted to describe her and that would be canon for appeareance despite her not having a set, or couldn't you do that in case there would be a set of her eventually?

 

3) I don't know why people think she looks like a Vortixx, when she isn't one. At any rate, I don't do a lot of description of characters in my books because I don't picture them when I create them -- I hear them.

Lariska is not a Vortixx.

 

 

I never said she was. I said she was a subspecies of Vortixx. Her appearance would similar to Vortixx in some aspects while being different in others. I've always heard her compared to a Vortixx, so it seemed logical.

 

I never got the impression that this species was savage.

Order of Mata Nui records identify Botar as part of a savage race from the Southern Islands.

 

I didn't either, but BS01 said so...

 

Dweller and Vengence are Ussals?

 

No, they simply grow like Ussals. Ussals were the only other species I could remember that were confirmed to grow as they age, and so I stuck the comparison in there to prove that it is possible in the MU.

 

I'd normally do a massive shrug to this, but if Pridak had strength from emotion like Tobduk has, I'd think he'd behave more like Tobduk, and less like Pridak.

 

As Akakakaku said above, not all "Visorakians" derive their power from anger. Pride is definitely a possibility for him. Also, Pit Mutagen has been known to lock powers, and it is possible that Pridak's emotional absorption powers were lost when he was mutated.

 

 

6. I'm a little confused about the League of Six Kingdoms. It was an experiment of Mata Nui's right? So did he create the Barraki just to rule? The reason I'm confused is because there was more than one of Ehlek's species, so he wasn't created just for ruling, correct?

 

6) The Barraki species were not created to be rulers, but the LOSK was something Mata Nui made happen and allowed to happen.

 

2. I don't meen to keep bothering you about questions regarding the Barraki's species, but is it possible that some of the Barraki are Steltians, like Sidorak's, Krekka's or Gladiator's species?

 

2) I don't believe so, no. My vision of them was that they were species we had not seen before.

Note the plural.

 

Well, that doesn't exactly confirm that each Barraki came from a unique species, but I'm not going to argue if Greg is supporting me. :D

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If only that Dark Hunter competition never happened, that would have made the BIONICLE universe a lot less complicated...

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If only that Dark Hunter competition never happened, that would have made the BIONICLE universe a lot less complicated...

If only the barraki never happened.


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If only that Dark Hunter competition never happened, that would have made the BIONICLE universe a lot less complicated...

If only the barraki never happened.

More the Barraki than the DH Contest, because half of the DHs are or can be considered unique mutations or crafted beings. The barraki were seven new beings in a world that already seemed crowded.


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If only that Dark Hunter competition never happened, that would have made the BIONICLE universe a lot less complicated...

If only the barraki never happened.

More the Barraki than the DH Contest, because half of the DHs are or can be considered unique mutations or crafted beings. The barraki were seven new beings in a world that already seemed crowded.

 

 

yeah, DH is known for hiring all kinda weirdos, and even making a few of their own, muations/adaptions are a good throwaway explanation for almost all of them. but the Barraki didn't really need that "each from a different/unique species" thing tacked onto them. :t

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If only that Dark Hunter competition never happened, that would have made the BIONICLE universe a lot less complicated...

If only the barraki never happened.
More the Barraki than the DH Contest, because half of the DHs are or can be considered unique mutations or crafted beings. The barraki were seven new beings in a world that already seemed crowded.
How awesome would it have been if the Barraki belonged to (mostly) already established species? Like, Carpar could have belonged to Axonn's, Mantax could have been a female Xian queen, Kalmah could have been a Steltian - leader class, Nocturn a Steltian - slave class, Ehlek should stay a separate underwater species, Takadox could have been a mutated female Toa of Psionics, and Pridak could have been another rogue Toa or Jerbraz's species. Just a thought that would've made the Barraki more interesting, imo. :) Edited by Archon~
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Wow, this list is far better received than the last. The old topic went over two pages in debates and proofs, but this has been fairly quiet. I'm almost considering petitioning this for canon, but I don't want this to be just another nonsensical canonization that gets everyone upset.
 
Okay, so I had a few ideas to shrink this list down just a little more:
 
8. Ehlek
In appearance, this species closely resembles Ehlek's mutated form. They are unable to breathe air and are thus confined to the oceans around Zakaz without breathing apparatuses. Each member has been modified by the OoMN, giving them great strength and powerful claws to kill Makuta. They are also able to wear Kanohi.
     Subspecies
          Amphibax
          The amphibious brethren of Ehlek's race with great agility both on land and in the sea. Also possess enhanced vision. These species are known to work closely together, even to the point of Amphibax leading other members of Ehlek's species.
 
9. Kalmah
An ancient race inhabiting the bleak, icy land just south of Odina. The inhabitants are split into tribes led by warlords. Ancient's services once turned each tribe against one another in a great civil war that is rekindled every few thousand years. After the first war came to a close, the Shadowed One and Ancient left their island to capture the neighboring Odina after the first civil war. They will never mention their true origins, and they have been forgotten by their people, but the Dark Hunters always welcome newcomers from this island. This species is equipped with natural weapons such as claws, teeth, tusks, and often bladed tails in addition to powerful abilities unique to each tribe. Though they have the ability to wear Kanohi masks, their long, sheild-like faces with two protruding tusks make it difficult and uncomfortable, and thus few do.
     Tribes
          Fire/Heat
               Kalmah
               Tyrant
               Lurker
          Kalmah was selected to be a Barraki after his great successes as a leader of this tribe. He was eventually replaced by Tyrant, who left his position during the Toa/Dark Hunter War to become a Dark Hunter. At once point, Lurker killed another of his species and was banished. This tribe inherits the ability to absorb and expel heat in great quantities, though Lurker prefers his natural tools, and Kalmah lost this ability when he was mutated. Their armor is typically a vibrant red.
          Earth/Stone
               Ancient
               Guardian
          This tribe was betrayed by one of their own, and Guardian is the sole survivor. This tribe has the ability to make their armor as hard as stone and highly resistant to physical attacks. Their armor is typically blue with metallic coverings.
          Unknown
               The Shadowed One
          It is unknown what this tribe's element was, or even if others remain after The Shadowed One left them. They possessed powerful eyebeams that were able to disintegrate a target. Their armor is typically black.
 

16. Dweller
     Vanisher
     Vengeance
This is one of the few MU species to grow as they age, ranging from just below Toa height to towering titans. Their common traits include long, thin wings and horns atop their heads used to channel their psionic subpowers unique to each individual. They originally hailed from Nynrah and are still known to craft there.

 

 

 

It might be going a little far, but these seem to make sense in my mind. As pointed out, Amphibax's and Ehlek's species are known to work together and could be said to look similar and live in similar environments. Kalmah, Tyrant, Lurker, Ancient, Guardian, and The Shadowed One all show similar appearances and their bios fit together perfectly. And Dweller's species is really the only one who could logically originate from Nynrah. It could be an explanation for Vanisher's portal abilities, though none of them are mentioned to be particularly inventive. Perhaps that's why they joined the Dark Hunters.

 

And if I was going through this list again, I would definitely classify Airwatcher and Poison as Rahi. Rahi is supposedly entirely Matoran defined, and Airwatcher easily fits the definition and Poison's bio clearly states him being mistaken as a Rahi by the Matoran. I suppose I also put Krakha on this list even though she is classified as a Rahi, simply for Triglax.

 

But I still don't know where to stick Jerbraz. The only species confirmed to not wear Kanohi is the Bruisers, but nearly any of these species are possibilities.

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It might be going a little far, but these seem to make sense in my mind. As pointed out, Amphibax's and Ehlek's species are known to work together and could be said to look similar and live in similar environments. Kalmah, Tyrant, Lurker, Ancient, Guardian, and The Shadowed One all show similar appearances and their bios fit together perfectly. And Dweller's species is really the only one who could logically originate from Nynrah. It could be an explanation for Vanisher's portal abilities, though none of them are mentioned to be particularly inventive. Perhaps that's why they joined the Dark Hunters.

 

But I still don't know where to stick Jerbraz. The only species confirmed to not wear Kanohi is the Bruisers, but nearly any of these species are possibilities.

This list seems to work. A few details might be a bit forced, but it's close enough to not be bothersome. With all the issues these days about canonzing things so long after G1 has died, I doubt you'll get far with that. But I'd support the effort. :)

 

One major question here: Who says Jerbraz can't wear Kanohi? His BS01 page says nothing about him being able to use them or not, so I don't see why he can't belong to any other race. I always imagined him to be one of Hydraxon and Trinuma's race.


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Oh, I love the tribes idea for Kalmah's species! I wonder if Mantax could fit in there...


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One major question here: Who says Jerbraz can't wear Kanohi? His BS01 page says nothing about him being able to use them or not, so I don't see why he can't belong to any other race. I always imagined him to be one of Hydraxon and Trinuma's race.

 

I... don't know. I could have sworn there was a Greg quote or a mention on that page, but in looking back over them, I found nothing. I must have confused the fact that he didn't wear a Kanohi with an inability to wear Kanohi. And that only makes things harder... or easier. Now many more species are open.

 

 

Oh, I love the tribes idea for Kalmah's species! I wonder if Mantax could fit in there...

 

That might be going a little far. I like where Mantax was placed, and I couldn't see him fitting in with Kalmah. That, and I think it was confirmed that each Barraki had a unique species.

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Oh, I love the tribes idea for Kalmah's species! I wonder if Mantax could fit in there...

 

That might be going a little far. I like where Mantax was placed, and I couldn't see him fitting in with Kalmah. That, and I think it was confirmed that each Barraki had a unique species.

 

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I think you should still put Axonn together with Hydraxon:

http://i.imgur.com/Jr9CEh9.png

They all have long fingers, two toes on each foot, and triangular mouths.

 

Perhaps Brutaka is also a Makuta prototype. Maybe all Makuta prototypes are powered up by Antidermis (their organic components are built from the same framework as the Makuta's, and contact with gaseous Makuta essence "supercharges" those components the same way steroids enhance performance by increasing the level of male hormones within the body) , it's just that only Brutaka had the opportunity to discover it. Plus, him being a Makuta prototype would go a way to explain why the Brotherhood possesses a copy of his mask.

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I think you should still put Axonn together with Hydraxon:

http://i.imgur.com/Jr9CEh9.png

They all have long fingers, two toes on each foot, and triangular mouths.

 

 

Clearly, someone's never heard of Kanohi. :P Axonn is wearing a mask, and Hydraxon is wearing a helmet. Both serve decorative purposes, and are not actually part of their anatomy like on Sidorak.

 

On the note of toes, Matoran have two toes, some Skakdi have two toes... Would you like me to go on? Might as well group everyone together just for that.  <_<

 

 way to explain why the Brotherhood possesses a copy of his mask.

 

Ever read the serials? Brutaka owned one of two Olmaks, and the other belonged to a Toa on Jovan's team. Makuta Tridax later killed this Toa and took his mask. 

 

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Having noted this, I looked back at the original post, and I found something that escaped me before: Hydraxon being grouped with Sidorak's race?  :???: Okay, I can understand Brutaka, due to his body structure, but Hydraxon? Seriously, is the Hydraxon/Trinuma thing lost to everyone else? Both roughly 9 feet tall (estimating on Hydraxon using portrayal in both set and story), both powerless, both highly skilled in the use of weaponry (even going so far as to dress in their own weapons), and a similar physique (some details wonky due to Trinuma being a combiner and only able to use parts from his component sets). Also, Hydraxon is capable of using Kanohi, but he chooses not to, while Trinuma uses a Mask of Charisma.

 

The only reason I've ever seen against this is that "Hydraxon doesn't have horns, while all of Trinuma's race does." If we're gonna use my Prototypes theory from the first topic, then Hydraxon could easily have been the prototype built by the GBs that Mata Nui later adapted into Trinuma's race, with the added detail of horns. Hydraxon is shown to wear special blades behind his head, giving the semblance of horns. Perhaps the horns hold some cultural significance, and Hydraxon is trying to honor that by strapping blades to the back of his neck.

 

My point is, he hardly fits in with most of these other races, and Trinuma's is the closest match, barring the horns.

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I think you should still put Axonn together with Hydraxon:

http://i.imgur.com/Jr9CEh9.png

They all have long fingers, two toes on each foot, and triangular mouths.

 

Perhaps Brutaka is also a Makuta prototype. Maybe all Makuta prototypes are powered up by Antidermis (their organic components are built from the same framework as the Makuta's, and contact with gaseous Makuta essence "supercharges" those components the same way steroids enhance performance by increasing the level of male hormones within the body) , it's just that only Brutaka had the opportunity to discover it. Plus, him being a Makuta prototype would go a way to explain why the Brotherhood possesses a copy of his mask.

 

Yes, this was on the last list and it was one of the more contested issues found there. As T1S pointed out, Hydraxon and Axonn really don't have much in common anatomically. Their similar faces are explained by Kanohi masks. While they have fingers, many other MU species would as well, and Axonn's hands dwarf them all. While Hydraxon and Sidorak are tall and slim, Axonn is short and stout. As several others said, the only real reason to pair them together would be their similar names.

 

Brutaka was in the original list of Makuta prototypes compiled by Akavakaku for that very reason. I was just trying to limit the number of prototypes, and Brutaka's physical appearance and bio seemed to fit the Steltan Upper Class quite nicely. That, and the prototypes have already been contested.

 

 

Having noted this, I looked back at the original post, and I found something that escaped me before: Hydraxon being grouped with Sidorak's race?  :???: Okay, I can understand Brutaka, due to his body structure, but Hydraxon? Seriously, is the Hydraxon/Trinuma thing lost to everyone else? Both roughly 9 feet tall (estimating on Hydraxon using portrayal in both set and story), both powerless, both highly skilled in the use of weaponry (even going so far as to dress in their own weapons), and a similar physique (some details wonky due to Trinuma being a combiner and only able to use parts from his component sets). Also, Hydraxon is capable of using Kanohi, but he chooses not to, while Trinuma uses a Mask of Charisma.

 

The only reason I've ever seen against this is that "Hydraxon doesn't have horns, while all of Trinuma's race does." If we're gonna use my Prototypes theory from the first topic, then Hydraxon could easily have been the prototype built by the GBs that Mata Nui later adapted into Trinuma's race, with the added detail of horns. Hydraxon is shown to wear special blades behind his head, giving the semblance of horns. Perhaps the horns hold some cultural significance, and Hydraxon is trying to honor that by strapping blades to the back of his neck.

 

My point is, he hardly fits in with most of these other races, and Trinuma's is the closest match, barring the horns.

 

Yes, I know this has been brought up before as well. But why say Hydraxon happens to be the only one of Trinuma's species without horns when he could fit with the Steltan Upper Class so well? They are also tall, slender, and powerless. Skills in weaponry is hardly a species trait. I'm still not buying it.

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Yes, I know this has been brought up before as well. But why say Hydraxon happens to be the only one of Trinuma's species without horns when he could fit with the Steltan Upper Class so well? They are also tall, slender, and powerless. Skills in weaponry is hardly a species trait. I'm still not buying it.

 

You use the terms "tall" and "slender" to describe Hydraxon.

 

Put him next to both Sidorak and Brutaka. Tell me, does the general physique match at all? He's tall, but not over 10 feet, like Brutaka and Sidorak are. He's lithe, but not as skinny as Sidorak or Brutaka compared to their heights? Now, look at the description for Trinuma's species, but ignore the horns. Describes him perfectly, doesn't it?

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Yes, I've looked at images of them. Brutaka and Sidorak are nearly the same height, while Hydraxon is at least a good head below. But he's also a head above Trinuma. Of course, these numbers are skewed as Trinuma is canonically 9 ft. tall while his set is close to the size of a typical Toa, 7.5 ft. 

 

Based on proportions, Hydraxon does have a smaller torso and proportionally wider shoulders, though not much wider than Brutaka. They all have thin waists and long, thin legs. I'm not sure what description you found for Trinuma's species. All I found was that they are taller than Toa and have horns. Yes, he's taller, but so is Sidorak.

 

Perhaps this could mean he is a different species entirely. But look at Ancient and The Shadowed One, two beings canonically confirmed to be the same species with vastly differing proportions. Or compare your own proportions to anyone on the street. Not everyone in a species must look exactly the same, not even in Bionicle.

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Perhaps this could mean he is a different species entirely. But look at Ancient and The Shadowed One, two beings canonically confirmed to be the same species with vastly differing proportions. Or compare your own proportions to anyone on the street. Not everyone in a species must look exactly the same, not even in Bionicle.

Despite the fact that they were mass-produced by a machine? Barring mutations and modifications, members of any species should look nearly identical, differing only in color schemes. 

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Logically, yes. If humans were to mass-produce an army of machines right now, odds are we would just use the same template over and over. It saves time and money.

 

But these aren't humans. They're Great Beings. Looking back through the sets of Toa who should logically be copies of one another, we see great differences in height, physique, and design, even among Toa in the same team. Though many teams were created or modified throughout the years, the original Mata still had those differences. Ancient and The Shadowed One look vastly different.

 

I will concede that, as far as we know, Skakdi, Zyglak, and maybe even Matoran are near identical. But there are still those exceptions to the rule.

 

And don't forget this is a topic designed to group characters into species based on similarities. A task that would be impossible if we were looking for exactness. But saying a character is one species simply because of his physique (a trait that could belong to many other species. He could be a member of Mimic's species for all we know.) when he is lacking the defining characteristic of that species seems to be a little farfetched.

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Logically, yes. If humans were to mass-produce an army of machines right now, odds are we would just use the same template over and over. It saves time and money.

 

But these aren't humans. They're Great Beings. Looking back through the sets of Toa who should logically be copies of one another, we see great differences in height, physique, and design, even among Toa in the same team. Though many teams were created or modified throughout the years, the original Mata still had those differences. Ancient and The Shadowed One look vastly different.

 

I will concede that, as far as we know, Skakdi, Zyglak, and maybe even Matoran are near identical. But there are still those exceptions to the rule.

 

Regarding Toa: You see minor differences in height and build. Only in the case of the Mahri and Adaptive Armor Nuva do we see major differences--both of which are special cases, not something you'd find normally.

 

In fact, the only time when we were told that two beings who look completely different were canonically the same species was with TSO and Ancient. 

 

Regarding GBs: They only made the Matoran and the few beings we saw in the Hand of Artahka, along with a few special Rahi. Everything else was produced by Mata Nui, who likely just used the same blueprint over and over. Remember how MN was? Described as being devoted to his task, and paid little attention to the things inside him. Do you think he honestly cared what they looked like when he made them? Sure, he was given sapience from the beginning, unlike the beings inside him, and that might play into this: if what's inside you is nothing more than a tool to keep you alive, do you care if they look different or identical? If one breaks, you make another. 

 

I understand the purpose of the topic, but that doesn't mean that we can just ignore the tendencies of the canon. I'm all for grouping together similarities, but making connections for convenience isn't the way to do it. Like I said before, you've done far better this time around than in the first attempt, but it isn't without fault.

 

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One more thing: Lariska. Greg said she's not a Vortixx, nor does she necessarily look like one. That was a fan-assumed trait, and not canon-supported, unlike Johmak, who was described as looking like a smaller version of a Vortixx. Persoanlly, I would have put her in with one of the Barraki, since we only have their mutated forms to go off of.


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I understand the purpose of the topic, but that doesn't mean that we can just ignore the tendencies of the canon. I'm all for grouping together similarities, but making connections for convenience isn't the way to do it. Like I said before, you've done far better this time around than in the first attempt, but it isn't without fault.
 
By arguing this, you're invalidating your own point. Canon states that Trinuma's species has horns. Hydraxon lacks them. You are making connections based on convenience: the small fact that they have similar heights (which may be untrue) and proportions. Though you say all MU species should look nearly identical, they do not. He is just as close to Sidorak as to Trinuma, if not more so.
 

One more thing: Lariska. Greg said she's not a Vortixx, nor does she necessarily look like one. That was a fan-assumed trait, and not canon-supported, unlike Johmak, who was described as looking like a smaller version of a Vortixx. Persoanlly, I would have put her in with one of the Barraki, since we only have their mutated forms to go off of.
 
Again, I'm not saying she's a Vortixx. I'm not saying she looks like a Vortixx. I'm saying her species is related to the Vortixx. It's based on that fan assumption, but does not necessarily agree with it.
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By arguing this, you're invalidating your own point. Canon states that Trinuma's species has horns. Hydraxon lacks them. You are making connections based on convenience: the small fact that they have similar heights (which may be untrue) and proportions. Though you say all MU species should look nearly identical, they do not. He is just as close to Sidorak as to Trinuma, if not more so.

 

 

Oh, look. There's the horn argument again. Boy, how I've missed that. :)

 

On the bolded point--again, the only evidence FOR this is TSO and Ancient. Every other species we've seen multiples of look pretty much identical. 

 

And I'm making connections based on the fact that Trinuma and Hydraxon look very similar, while Sidorak looks like a huge, metal goat-man. :)

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Did Brutaka lose his horns, or what?

 

My point here is that if you'll say that a guy without horns belongs to a species that has them, why deny that to someone else?

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We have no evidence that those are horns. I've never heard them referred to as such in canon. Lego is fond of using tubes in their sets, and it could be a breathing apparatus, or a mask replacement, or a crown of some sort. Voporak shows no sign of ever having them. Even if Brutaka has them, he also wears a large Olmak that could easily hide them.
 
 

On the bolded point--again, the only evidence FOR this is TSO and Ancient. Every other species we've seen multiples of look pretty much identical.

 

I was referring to Trinuma and Hydraxon. They differ just as much in armor, height, and proportions as Trinuma differs from Sidorak, if not more so.

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We have no evidence that those are horns. I've never heard them referred to as such in canon. Lego is fond of using tubes in their sets, and it could be a breathing apparatus, or a mask replacement, or a crown of some sort. Voporak shows no sign of ever having them. Even if Brutaka has them, he also wears a large Olmak that could easily hide them.

 

 

On the bolded point--again, the only evidence FOR this is TSO and Ancient. Every other species we've seen multiples of look pretty much identical.

 

I was referring to Trinuma and Hydraxon. They differ just as much in armor, height, and proportions as Trinuma differs from Sidorak, if not more so.

Voporak... is a mutation. His combo model doesn't even closely resemble Sidorak, because of this (four arms, for example). Since Sidorak is the only clean example of their species, we go off of him.

 

I know what you were referring to. I was pointing out that the only time in-story that we've ever seen members of one species look different is with TSO and Ancient. I'm saying that the species would look more alike than different, so TSO and Ancient count against it. Look again. Same shoulder armor, same basic proportions (if you scale Trinuma up a bit to match Hydraxon's height).


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Voporak... is a mutation. His combo model doesn't even closely resemble Sidorak, because of this (four arms, for example). Since Sidorak is the only clean example of their species, we go off of him.

I believe you're thinking of Sentrahk. Voporak looks very much like Sidorak, though he does have an extra arm. I know he's a mutant, but with how similar the rest of him looks, you would expect some kind of suggestion of "horns."

 

I know what you were referring to. I was pointing out that the only time in-story that we've ever seen members of one species look different is with TSO and Ancient. I'm saying that the species would look more alike than different, so TSO and Ancient count against it. Look again. Same shoulder armor, same basic proportions (if you scale Trinuma up a bit to match Hydraxon's height).

 

By that logic, we could also group Mimic, Conjurer, and Ravage as one species. They all share similar proportions and shoulder armor pieces. But you're missing the point. Those three already have established canon details that would make it difficult to pair them up. I don't care how many times you've heard it, but Trinuma's species having horns is canon. I'm not going to stick another character who lacks horns in there because of circumstantial evidence.

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Voporak... is a mutation. His combo model doesn't even closely resemble Sidorak, because of this (four arms, for example). Since Sidorak is the only clean example of their species, we go off of him.

I believe you're thinking of Sentrahk. Voporak looks very much like Sidorak, though he does have an extra arm. I know he's a mutant, but with how similar the rest of him looks, you would expect some kind of suggestion of "horns."

 

I know what you were referring to. I was pointing out that the only time in-story that we've ever seen members of one species look different is with TSO and Ancient. I'm saying that the species would look more alike than different, so TSO and Ancient count against it. Look again. Same shoulder armor, same basic proportions (if you scale Trinuma up a bit to match Hydraxon's height).

 

By that logic, we could also group Mimic, Conjurer, and Ravage as one species. They all share similar proportions and shoulder armor pieces. But you're missing the point. Those three already have established canon details that would make it difficult to pair them up. I don't care how many times you've heard it, but Trinuma's species having horns is canon. I'm not going to stick another character who lacks horns in there because of circumstantial evidence.

 

No, I'm thinking of Voporak. Have you even looked at half of these characters recently?

 

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How many arms do you see? Also, his head more closely resembles Roodaka's than it does Sidorak's. Mutation that doesn't hardly resemble the species it came from. Try again. What's the excuse this time? Same shoulder armor?

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I am fully aware that Trinuma's species having horns is canon. I am fully aware that Hydraxon does not have horns. Have you bothered to read anything I've written? 

 

>Hydraxon created by GBs

>Hydraxon joins the Hand

>MN activated

>MN uses the creations of the GBs as templates to create new species

>Uses Hydraxon as the basis of Trinuma's race, and adds horns

 

How much clearer does that have to be? I am not saying the horns are non-canon. I haven't once suggested that.

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