Fry Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Maybe this is just me, but has anyone else ever had a really hard time disassembling Bionicle sets, and too an extent, Lego sets? I've always had this trouble really, though I found myself thinking about it again recently when I was disassembling my Bionicle characters and putting them into their reapictive boxes and bins. I swear that I have never experienced so much pain in my thumb in my entire life. The trouble typically is in pre-ccbs sets/pieces (which, on an unrelated note, I have grown rather fond of) and is centered around axles. If I didn't have teeth, I would not be able to take these sets apart (without plyers, of course), and, at any rate, both damage the pieces! 1 Quote Visit my Bionicle 2001 site recreation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rahkshi Lalonde Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 yes, this all the way. one of the reasons i like the new CCBS style is that i have really really fidgity fingers as is, so add that to the regular old pain of trying to push-n-pull pins in and out all the time, and it's, well.. it's one of the reasons i don't build as often as i'd like to. (the grey 3m plus-rods as the worst, i think. and, also the most used. oops.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voxumo Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 *Chuckles* At first I has assumed you meant like mental pain of disassembling sets, as in being very reluctant on taking them apart, to the point of regret... But alas you meant actual physical pain. But yeah the older bionicle sets were a pain to take apart majority of the time. Don't own many system sets so can't really say much there, though I imagine they have their share of stubborn pieces. 1 Quote Banner made by Onaku BZPRPG CHARACTERS Syvra-Tivanu If you interact with one of my characters and I don't respond or acknowledge the interaction within a day, send me a PM. Odds are I missed or did not see the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNugget Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 *Chuckles* At first I has assumed you meant like mental pain of disassembling sets, as in being very reluctant on taking them apart, to the point of regret... I did too. Anyway, when Pushing out axles, I just took the longest Axle I could find, and Push it through, then pull out the long axle. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mocmaker Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Maybe this is just me, but has anyone else ever had a really hard time disassembling Bionicle sets, and too an extent, Lego sets? I've always had this trouble really, though I found myself thinking about it again recently when I was disassembling my Bionicle characters and putting them into their reapictive boxes and bins. I swear that I have never experienced so much pain in my thumb in my entire life. The trouble typically is in pre-ccbs sets/pieces (which, on an unrelated note, I have grown rather fond of) and is centered around axles. If I didn't have teeth, I would not be able to take these sets apart (without plyers, of course), and, at any rate, both damage the pieces!I have never had much trouble taking them apart. Brick separators always came in handy. You can remove a piece with pliers and not damage it by wrapping layers of tape around the pliers. You can also put some clay on the piece so you can get a grip on it and remove it. *Chuckles* At first I has assumed you meant like mental pain of disassembling sets, as in being very reluctant on taking them apart, to the point of regret... I did too. Anyway, when Pushing out axles, I just took the longest Axle I could find, and Push it through, then pull out the long axle. ↑ That always works! 3 Quote If you don't like people that use their head and stand up to bullies, then you may not like me because I deal with bullies head on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skakdi Chronicler Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I don't usually have a problem with this and Bionicle, I've experienced this with system a couple times but not often. I'd say the most recent time with bionicle was when I had gotten some Nui jaga in the mail, and I the legs were in backwards. They were so dusty that it took five minutes to take the leg out of its socket! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydorack Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Always gotta have a long t-axle around to push the smaller ones out. Makes life so much easier. Orange brick separators are crucial in taking apart system pieces as well. I have a mountain of them collecting on my living room coffee table. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xan Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Always remember to wear your Pakari then! On a serious note, it's more of the regret then gathering the pieces again that hurts more for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nescent Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 When I was a kid I would use my teeth to take out troublesome axles. I've probably chipped a couple of teeth doing that. CCBS is generally painless, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishers64 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I actually find assembly to be more painful on the fingers. Shoving the pins into the axle holes is a legit ouch. System plates are the worst pain for disassembly. Compared to that, pulling CCBS or Technic apart is not that hard. Quote Hero Factory RPG | Bionicle Mafia XXIX: Storyline & Theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aanchir Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I don't know a whole lot about sets being physically painful to disassemble. I do know that a lot of really Technic-intensive sets like vehicles and Rahi can be tedious and frustrating to take apart because Technic sets involve so much locking. There are times when taking a Technic construction apart is only really possible by doing the reverse of what you did to put it together in the first place. And sometimes this is frustrating even when putting a set together, because if you make a mistake and don't notice it for many pages, you will have to undo many pages of steps to fix it! Generally, though, even G1 BIONICLE sets tend to be simpler to put together and take apart than regular Technic sets.I don't tend to take my sets apart too often, just because it's easier to keep them organized when they're together. And I especially avoid taking apart my G1 sets most of the time, since their parts aren't as useful to my building style anymore. I have taken apart most of my Hero Factory sets and sorted their pieces, though. Quote Latest MOC: PAIGE (Prototype Artificial Intelligence, Gynoid Expression) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballom Nom Nom Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Needle-nose pliers are awesome for pulling axles and other pieces apart without resorting to using teeth (eww!). Especially friction pins, as one side of the pliers tip can fit inside the pin end. It's also useful to have something like a metal table, or one topped with a thick layer of glass, to press against for various things such as pushing small axles out the other end of where they'd been inserted, without using thumbs. ~B~ 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarumEsSarene Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I have a feminine figure, my hands are no exception. I have small fingertips and nails to help take certain pieces apart. As for pieces I can't get? I have a tool I built using one of Gali's hook pieces. An axel, extender, and the hook. Press it into the hole I want to remove the peg. If it's an axel hole, I get the axel out, then pull on the hook to get the tool out. The tool is also very useful in removing other pieces. Such as system bricks. If you want I can post the tool's build in the MOCs section 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32one Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I've never had any physical pains when taking G1 sets, as the 2M axles and 2M pin/axles also have ridges, where I can simply use my fingernails to pull the piece out. 3M and longer axles can be pulled out by simply getting a good grip, and if its locked with a bunch of axle holes, you can just push it out with a longer axle from the other side. I find G1 MOCs/sets are painful to disassemble due my fear of damaging the fragile sockets, so I only disconnect the limbs when necessary and use broken socket pieces (mainly from 2008-2010 sets) as place holders until I a satisfied with the final design. I find the small soft plastic spikes a bit difficult to take off because it's hard to get a good grip on them compared to the older hard plastic variation on G1 Bionicle sets, and they dent easily if you're not careful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishers64 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 I have a feminine figure, my hands are no exception. I have small fingertips and nails to help take certain pieces apart. As for pieces I can't get? I have a tool I built using one of Gali's hook pieces. An axel, extender, and the hook. Press it into the hole I want to remove the peg. If it's an axel hole, I get the axel out, then pull on the hook to get the tool out. The tool is also very useful in removing other pieces. Such as system bricks. If you want I can post the tool's build in the MOCs section I feel that the female hands are actually a hindrance in getting things out. Less surface area for leverage. (Admittedly, huge strength may not be an asset either, as then you have pieces flying about because you pulled too hard. ) I'd like to see the tool. Quote Hero Factory RPG | Bionicle Mafia XXIX: Storyline & Theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manducus Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 (edited) Oh. I thought you were referring to emotional pains. I get that a lot. The feels. I never really have a hard time (physically) disassembling my sets. Although separating the Toa Mata brain stalks from their heads is a rather pain in the butt. Edited June 28, 2015 by Lord Commander Manducus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voxumo Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Oh. I thought you were referring to emotional pains. I get that a lot. The feels. I never really have a hard time (physically) disassembling my sets. Although separating the Toa Mata brain stalks from their heads is a rather pain in the butt.Apparently quite a few of us though they were referring to the emotional pains. And yeah, the toa mata brains, I don't think that was ever meant to be easy. I know I have to use pliers and a butter knife to pry it out. Quote Banner made by Onaku BZPRPG CHARACTERS Syvra-Tivanu If you interact with one of my characters and I don't respond or acknowledge the interaction within a day, send me a PM. Odds are I missed or did not see the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSciFiGuy Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 I get emotional and physical pains. Most of them aren't bad, except when I have to disassemble a titan set. Like I took apart Fenrakk, and man that was tough on the hands. But I like it, some are really well built Quote Bionicle: ANP aims to create narrated versions of all the Bionicle books, with voice actors for each character, and music taken from various media to enhance the story. Check here if you're interested in voicing a character, and here for the chapters that've already been released!Formerly: Tahu Nuva 3.0Looking for a Bionicle Beanie. Black one with the symbol on it. Contact me if you are willing to sell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa of Ice - 1987 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 The troublesome ones are the blue axle/peg pieces that fit in too tight sometimes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnivyAlchemist Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 As someone who has always been a big guy throughout my life and is now almost 6' 3" (about 190.5 cm for those using the metric system) with fairly large hands, I find that taking apart Bionicle sets is still pretty hard even with the added strength that I have developed in my arms because of how my hands are pretty slippery (because they sweat easily) and the smaller size of the parts that means that sometimes I don't have enough traction for my giant hands to grip them properly. Granted, I haven't taken a G1 set apart in about 4 years or so and have not had the time to get any of the G2 sets so who knows, maybe it'll be easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarumEsSarene Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 The troublesome ones are the blue axle/peg pieces that fit in too tight sometimesThe Black ones are harder to remove. I only have three of them and I can't remember where I got them. They have more friction than the blue ones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyichir Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 The troublesome ones are the blue axle/peg pieces that fit in too tight sometimesThe Black ones are harder to remove. I only have three of them and I can't remember where I got them. They have more friction than the blue ones They shouldn't have any more friction than the blue ones, because it's the same mold used for both. The blue ones are just more recent, having replaced the black ones entirely in 2003. Quote Formerly Lyichir: Rachira of Influence Aanchir's and Meiko's brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballom Nom Nom Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 The troublesome ones are the blue axle/peg pieces that fit in too tight sometimes The Black ones are harder to remove. I only have three of them and I can't remember where I got them. They have more friction than the blue ones They shouldn't have any more friction than the blue ones, because it's the same mold used for both. The blue ones are just more recent, having replaced the black ones entirely in 2003. Likewise for the white friction pins, which I think disappeared at the same time as the black ones. As for a piece for which older versions would actually be more troublesome, the old style of 2-length axle, seen here, lacked the notches on the later version currently in use, meaning removing them was much more difficult. I know that I always remove those axles using my fingernails in the notches; without them my use of pliers would certainly go way up! ~B~ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ektris Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Once got a 2-length axle foolishly stuck in a configuration it couldn't be pulled or pushed out off. Took a few years of sporadically cutting into the tiny gap I got conveniently at the notched spot to free the pieces it was connected to. Clearly I didn't care too much. Was that painful? I guess. When I first tried and wouldn't accept it was stuck. Otherwise never really had much of a hard time. Most stuck axles were extricated with teeth (ew, I know) without incident. When they slip, though... ~|ET|~ Quote E-T... Phone home. "He walks among us, but he is not one of us." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32one Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I don't get how you guys can use your teeth to remove stuck axles - to me it sounds a lot more difficult and painful than just using hands or pliers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naota Takizawa Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I remember hurting my fingers trying to pull out axels. Thank lego they made those orange brick separators that can remove axels and tile pieces. Quote If you like Pingu & want to support a good project, click here. Also, I've rejoined the BZPRPG & I have a new profile for a new game. Click here to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegoSWfan Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Oh the pains of de-clipping limb joints. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tahu3.0 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Oh the pains of de-clipping limb joints.Especially the 2008 ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiffy247 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I am a guy, but i have feminine girly hands. it makes disassembling tough, but it's great for making the origami earrings I sell. 2 Quote A fish wielding vampire. That's Spiffy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xabla Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I keep my sets together and then take parts off them when I want to make a moc. For example. 2015 Gali will be a limbless husk for a while. Quote cringe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CryoGyro Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Oh yeah, I remember plenty of sore-thumb moments during G1. Ball and socket joints were no joke. Nowadays, the only thing I can have trouble with is removing blue pins from hand pieces. I sometimes have to use a glove to get enough traction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32one Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Oh yeah, I remember plenty of sore-thumb moments during G1. Ball and socket joints were no joke. Nowadays, the only thing I can have trouble with is removing blue pins from hand pieces. I sometimes have to use a glove to get enough traction.I know that the CCBS ball/socket connections are easier to disconnect, but how did you manage to to get "plenty of sore-thumb moments" from the G1 ball/socket disconnections? Most of the time, you could just increase the angle of the pieces until they snap apart. Alternatively, you could simply pull the two pieces apart, which requires a little bit more strength and from my experience, this technique is more prone to severe cracks on the lower section of the socket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CryoGyro Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Oh yeah, I remember plenty of sore-thumb moments during G1. Ball and socket joints were no joke. Nowadays, the only thing I can have trouble with is removing blue pins from hand pieces. I sometimes have to use a glove to get enough traction.I know that the CCBS ball/socket connections are easier to disconnect, but how did you manage to to get "plenty of sore-thumb moments" from the G1 ball/socket disconnections? Most of the time, you could just increase the angle of the pieces until they snap apart. Alternatively, you could simply pull the two pieces apart, which requires a little bit more strength and from my experience, this technique is more prone to severe cracks on the lower section of the socket. It was more putting them together than taking them apart, now that I think about it. Plus, I was pretty young so I didn't put much thought into how I did things. "No pain, no gain" was my mentality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristan Teridax Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Every time you took apart or put on those 2008 socket joints it was the riskiest moment in your life. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32one Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 It was more putting them together than taking them apart, now that I think about it. Plus, I was pretty young so I didn't put much thought into how I did things. "No pain, no gain" was my mentality. Because the pre-2008 sockets didn't fit on top of the ball joint as snugly as the later designs, I've had plenty of moments where the pieces would slide past each other and into my fingers too. Every time you took apart or put on those 2008 socket joints it was the riskiest moment in your life.I've given up on using those sockets for MOCing. They even get difficult to use as test limbs for unfinalised MOCs because the sockets break so badly that they either have very little friction or a part of the socket itself breaks off, so that it can't be attached onto the ball joint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa of Ice - 1987 Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Every time you took apart or put on those 2008 socket joints it was the riskiest moment in your life. 2007 lime joints were known to be worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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