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OOC: Also it doesn't make sense that Breaker would even be sluggish considering it is two cores at a little less than half charge powering a skeletal frame with only two arms. If anything his movements would be faster, not slower.


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OOC: So the ship sped up that much after firing the cannons? Because I did mention compensating for the ship's movement.

OOC: How could he tell? The ship uncloaked the cannons, fired, recloaked them, then moved at high speed around the asteroid in a wide turn. Unless Jimmy can move at and have reaction times close to the speed of sound, I'm not sure how...

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probably an estimate of where it -would- go. Rather than tracking it's actual movement, using it's direction and orientation combined with whatever speed it was currently going when it decloaked. 


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OOC: You mean to say that it went from supersonic speeds to no movement and back to supersonic speeds in an instant? that seems a little unrealistic, doesn't it?


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OOC: You mean to say that it went from supersonic speeds to no movement and back to supersonic speeds in an instant? that seems a little unrealistic, doesn't it?

OOC: No. I thought it would have time to make a reasonable stop while Traferous was making his silly speech. I view it as Jimmy starting to move after the cannons fired, which would give the ship plenty of time to get out of there. 

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"I'm not much of a pilot.  I can fly average ships but any kind of fancy maneuvers are beyond me.  I prefer shooting and blowing up things.  Tell your guy to come to the hanger, I'll meet him there with...it."

 

Night Stalker looked up at Marrow.  "Come on, we're going to take you to Hero Factory.  They have lots of quaza."

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"Dr. Lie, go. You know what to do." 

 

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Dr. Lie headed off the bridge, heading down to Adam West's prison. He wondered if Crowley was going to follow him, then decided it didn't matter. Dr. Lie would be able to find him once he got the pilot to his vessel. 

 

He saw Night Stalker with some strange beast down below. One quick look at its glowing quaza core and menacing glare told the doctor that the creepy villain's statement had been correct. He was glad Adam was driving, not him. 

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"Exactly."

 

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"Well, I don't work for free," she mused, stepping aside to let the villain aboard, "But I assume someone like you can procure some means of payment when we reach your intended destination." 

 

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"I find that preposterous," said Mr. Makuro. "I am a civilian like all of the others, and I formed this organization in response to many villains that were here before me."

 

Mr. Makuro wondered if the being in front of him would call that lies too. 

 

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"You're not just any civilian. You're the oldest, most powerful, most influential, and have your own private army to enforce your heavy-handed vision of justice throughout the galaxy," he glowered at the machine, "History is written by the winners, they say, and you've won big."

 

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He wondered if Crowley was going to follow him, then decided it didn't matter. Dr. Lie would be able to find him once he got the pilot to his vessel. 

 

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"Of course, of course," He got on board.

 

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"I am an inventor, not a historian," Mr. Makuro said. "I'm simply trying to do what is right and protect the civilians from villainy." And your problem with that is?

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"Wait, there's another giant ship gunning for us now?! This day just gets better and better," Drift fumed. "First the Antropolis fiasco, then we can't even keep villains out of our own home base, the floor goes all ghost on me, my ship gets stuck in the basement, I lose my hands to some idiot rookie, and now this?! Not to mention the whole 'Destroyer" thing and Factory getting planet-ified." Steam was visibly coming off of the pilot as he stomped out of the room. He needed to think. No... he needed to fly...

Drift opened his comms to the one person he knew for sure could get him in a pilot seat.

 

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Bliss had been rocked badly by the blast to the Factory, but had managed to keep the Cor Solis perched on the roof. Suddenly, a chirp from his helmet mounted comm-link informed him of an incoming call. "Yeah, who is it?"

"It's me, Drift. You took off in a hurry back there so I'm guessing your gunner seat's open, right?

Bliss chuckled, "Tired of ground work already, pal? Yeah, it's just me up here. I'm on the roof."

"Good, I'll be there in a couple minutes; don't move."

The golden Hero sat back in his chair, "I'm not going anywhere."

 

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Closing the hatch behind her, Silvia turned back to the villain, "Now, unless you have any other associates heading this way, I'd say it's time to get out of this city."

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"You threw rocks at a force field? Has that worked for you before?"

 

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"Alright, then," she nodded at Alpha to fire up the engines, then turned to the other passengers already seated, "Now, let's make one thing very clear. I don't care who any of you are - Hero, Villain, Civilian - because on this ship, it doesn't matter. I expect all of you to be respectful towards one another until you're off my ship. If you can't follow that simple rule, I'll toss you out the airlock myself." 

 

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"Ah, not exactly," he said. "It does not seem to be a force field, per se. it is an electric field- things that touch it are shocked. This was decimating the native wildlife in the area- either they were killed by the field, or stunned and thus unable to swim from the pullof the rotating blades. Rocks, being unaffected by this sort of thing, passed through harmlessly."

 

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OOC: Luroka, we already established that Breaker is in no shape to charge at Nimius. Following that thought, it seemed reasonable to me, that the same damage to his joints that's preventing him from running is also preventing him from speedily attacking any more. In fact, him not being that damaged seems rather unreasonable to me.

 

Also, Lucina, this fight has been dragging on for a while, yes, but remember that Nimius has a special thermo-nuclear quazadite core which gives him much more endurance than the average hero, and allows him to last much longer. 

 

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Nimius simply jumped out of the way of the first few attacks before parrying and attempting a disarming counter-move on the last attack.


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OOC: Luroka, we already established that Breaker is in no shape to charge at Nimius. Following that thought, it seemed reasonable to me, that the same damage to his joints that's preventing him from running is also preventing him from speedily attacking any more. In fact, him not being that damaged seems rather unreasonable to me.

 

Also, Lucina, this fight has been dragging on for a while, yes, but remember that Nimius has a special thermo-nuclear quazadite core which gives him much more endurance than the average hero, and allows him to last much longer. 

 

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Location: Pest control in Villain Storage

Nimius simply jumped out of the way of the first few attacks before parrying and attempting a disarming counter-move on the last attack.

 

And what are the downsides that come with such a clear upgrade over other Hero characters?

 

Your character is fighting somebody powered by multiple cores - if you're expecting his character to be running low on steam (wounds aside), yours should be as well. You can't just no-sell every attack made against you just because your character is "more powerful".

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OOC: I'm not expecting anything regarding the status of his power cores. Those do not concern me. It is the damage to the mechanics of his body themselves that do. Such as the joints. It doesn't matter if he had all his power cores functional and at full capacity, if his joints are damaged, he shouldn't be able to move quickly regardless.


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OOC: Since everyone's pitching in, I guess I'll throw in my two cents, too. 

 

Your character is fighting somebody powered by multiple cores - if you're expecting his character to be running low on steam (wounds aside), yours should be as well. 

 

I could be wrong about this one, but I was kind of under the impression that Breaker required the multiple cores just to keep his much larger, heavier prototype body and plethora of fancy weaponry running properly.

 

OOC: What are his joints damaged by? He hasn't really taken significant physical impacts, and most of the heat has been absorbed by his now-melted armor.

 

Back when Nimius was first put up for approval, I did a fair amount of research into the melting points of various metals, and the kind of stuff that's used for wiring and circuitry - aluminium, copper and so on - melt far more easily than the materials Hero armour would presumably be made of - steel, iron, titanium, etc.

 

So if this guy's been so badly roasted that all of his thick, heavy armour has completely melted off, then all of his internal components should be utterly fried as well. That sort of thing probably would've melted before the armour even did. 

 

 

Now, I'm not trying to say the way Nimius is no-selling everything is in any way fair, but I honestly don't see how Breaker could be in any condition to continue fighting in the first place. 

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OOC: Actually, is there any villain that can fight Ardor and stand half a chance? The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are Von Nebula's Ghost and Traferous.


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"That's rich, coming from the guy who was trying to shoot me out of the sky a little while ago!"

 

She fired the engines, slowing their descent greatly, as the ship angled off, headed away from the Factory proper.


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OOC: Von Nebula's ghost hardly strikes me as the kind of character to face Nimus - Nimus would just burn him up in 10 seconds.

 

On the other hand, I think we can agree that while both Nimus and Breaker are OP characters, and that both are using completely unfair RPing strategies - they are both fighting each other. Therefore, as long as they don't involve any other characters in some unfair way, perhaps the best punishment I can inflict is to let them keep battling until one of them gets bored and dies.

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OOC: that seems sort of irresponsible to me......

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OOC: While that is an amusing prospect, I agree that it's not very responsible. Because if/when other players are forced to become involved, they'll have to deal with all of this unrealistic nonsense as well. 

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OOC: Must... hold back... sarcasm...

In all seriousness, my opinion is that they should both be retconned out of existence altogether, or, at the very least, just say Breaker was captured and tell both Onaku and Luroka that they have to go back and rewrite their profiles before they can resume interacting with anyone else.

In addition to the second option, provided it is the more popular one, of course, I'd also suggest considering finding some way to permanently maim or otherwise cripple their characters, just so that their owners have a constant reminder that they should play fair.

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Also waiting to hear back from Masterchirox (via Zippy), but I may just have Helen call everyone back to the Tower...

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OOC: I've been thinking about this and I'm not entirely sure Breaker is as OP as we're making him out to be:

 

Luroka joins the RPG with Breaker.

Breaker spends a lot of time trying to break into Hero Factory.

Once he finally gets inside, he's immediately confronted by the most powerful character in the game (no offense, Traferous).

Luroka begins using unfair fighting techniques because he doesn't want Breaker to get killed in his first fight.

Even using unfair fighting techniques, Breaker still gets melted into scrap.

 

Now if we had seen Breaker go up against a normal Hero and fight like this, I'd say we retcon or null him, but I don't think the battle with Ardor is sufficient proof that Breaker is an unfair character.

On the other hand, we definitely need to do something about Ardor. Right now, any villains headed towards Hero Factory might as well just start writing themselves as puddles of goo.

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OOC:

 

Actually..... he fought against Kat first.

 

And she had to push her abilities to their absolute limit before doing any real damage to breaker.

 

During said fight, KAt had given him several chances to surrender. He refused. 

 

Even after sustaining heavy damage, when told to surrender by Nimius, he continued to fight.

 

So it's not like Breaker hasn't had plenty of chances t back down or finish the fight without being completely roasted.

 

Frankly, it was already out of hand when Kat fought against him, and this is just escalation.

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OOC: Booya, green light for Wolfe's mid-life crisis nerd-mobile ship!

 

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OOC: Sorry about my disappearance. I couldn't find any posts relating to Quake (must have looked harder). Anyway so what's going on exactly (at least in terms of what will happen to my character)? 

 

OOC: No worries! Wolfe was simply asking Quake whether or not he and the other villains on Mekron were sent there by somebody. Quake will probably be taken to Villain Storage soon.


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OOC: Actually, if I recall the situation correctly, Breaker confronted both Riot and Kathrine first, and Luroka was still playing unfairly even back then. First, he blocked Riot's shots with his swords while his attention was focused on Kathrine, despite Riot being both behind him and in mid-air, and when his explanation as to how he did so was pointed out to be unlikely, Luroka then proceeded to ignore them altogether instead of editing in a proper response. Lynn did, however, give him multiple chances to surrender (which he refused), things progressed to the point where Fishers had to step in to null a few posts soon afterwards, and the fight eventually ended with Kathrine effectively taking herself out in an attempt to significantly damage him.

Then Nimius became involved, and things only got worse from there.

Given that this has already happened before with two non-OP characters, I'd say that's more than enough proof to either have him retconned entirely, force his profile to be rewritten, or at the very least, share the same fate as Ardor.

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OOC: On a somewhat non-OP note, I just finished the MoC for the character who will most likely be submitted in place of Wraith, so an actual profile might be up soon, even though I still don't think that she, nor her potential faction, will fit in too well due to the nesting doll thing going on between Makuhero City and Dfer's currently unidentified planet.

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OOC: Unlike Nimius, I don't think Breaker himself is actually particularly OP. There are other characters roughly as big as he is, other characters with as many or more weapons as him. It's just that he's being played in unfair and unrealistic ways.

 

Despite being far bigger and heavier and more heavily armed than other heroes - to the point where he requires a whole bunch of extra cores just to remain functional - he's jumping and rolling and dodging like a ninja, leaping several times his own height into the air, and blocking attacks he could not have possibly seen coming, before retaliating with multiple attacks in a single post. Despite having his armour completely melted away, a number of his cores taken offline, and a number of his limbs removed, his internal components remain undamaged, his movements unhindered, and for some reason, he doesn't seem to be feeling any pain whatsoever from his injuries. 

 

So while I agree that Onaku's use of Nimius to his full OP potential wasn't the best solution to this problem, I'm honestly not seeing many other ways to defeat a villain who refuses to be beaten, no matter what rules of physics, thermodynamics, or common sense he has to break to ensure victory. 

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OOC: Alright, this is my official apology to all players, first for indirectly causing this problem, and allowing to continue without intervening quickly.

 

The failsafe I normally would use for this is Traferous coming in and killing everybody, but since that's not practical here: 

 

GM NPC MERRICK FORTIS (VILLAIN STORAGE)

 

Merrick Fortis slunk into villain storage, sternly pressing a few buttons. It was then that the entire villain storage turned entirely upside down, flinging Breaker and Nimus from the ceiling to the floor. As the two fell, Breaker's sword stabbed near Nimus' core, cutting off the power to his core fire powers. 

 

Grinning, the Recon Team hero slung his grappling hook at Breaker, smoothly winding the villain up along the floor for a few revolutions before flinging him into a cell. Releasing his grappling hook, the leader of the Recon Team leader retracted the device, only to shoot it back at the ceiling and disappear as the villain storage flipped back over. 

 

OOC: GM Penalties: 

 

1. Nimus has lost access to his fire powers. 

 

2. Breaker has been captured and thrown in Hero Factory's jail, and he cannot escape until the next breakout or Hero Factory's destruction. His injuries will not be repaired. 

 

3. Fall damage, courtesy of Merrick Fortis. 

 

Let's move on. 

 

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"I would much prefer a visit to Mechron City." said Black Phantom. "I have a message to deliver...and I'm sure they will pay you handsomely indeed. If not, I have other options there as well."
 
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He then looked at The Creator.  "And, who is that guy?"

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OOC: So the ship sped up that much after firing the cannons? Because I did mention compensating for the ship's movement.

OOC: How could he tell? The ship uncloaked the cannons, fired, recloaked them, then moved at high speed around the asteroid in a wide turn. Unless Jimmy can move at and have reaction times close to the speed of sound, I'm not sure how...

 

OOC: Alright, I'm just going to edit that in the interest of non-boggery. See below: 

 

GM IC JIMMY ABACUS

 

Jimmy Abacus would find that the laser cannons would bounce off of something momentarily. The heavier-duty shell-net cannons mostly met a similar fate, having nothing to grip onto. The bomb cannons also bounced off, exploding between Makuro City and the atmosphere. 

 

The shell nets would tell Jimmy that the ship he was fighting was massive indeed. 

 

GM IC TRAFEROUS (& FRAVI)

 

Traferous whistled. "We are under attack. Next time, we fire everything and level that blasted building. Everyone ready?"

 

Fravi smiled. "Ready."

 

GM IC BRAIN MASTER

 

"Let's try this another way," the Brain Master said. "Please get off my ship. I would like this to end peaceably, but if you don't leave, I will be forced to remove you.

Edited by fishers64

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