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Vahki definitely, not only are they mindless policing soldiers, but they shoot disks and don't even have hands, just a set of tools to work with. Ands thats not even to mention the other terrible things that they can do. Such as. Control the minds of Matoran for a time, making them Zombies, and turning them into mindless spies. Which is so immoral and wrong on so many levels, it's deplorable, despicable, inhumane (or Inmatorane? Or just immoral I guess).

 

Boxors are at least cool, as that they are manned Matoran Mechs basically, and since there are two varients, that makes them even cooler, I would love to see a senario whereby Matoran controlling the Boxors march forth into battle, the stomping of loud mechanical feet against the ground, marching for their people and home into battle. Yeah, I get it that they're basically Cannobalized Mechs (as in made from their own people, just changed) but this is BIONICLE, building and making from what you have is a core part of it, even if it's immoral at times to an extent. But think of it like this, you know those catacombs where they have the walls lined with Human Bones? Think that, but using said bones to make Mechs, yes it's immoral, but's it's also Bad-A as heck! Now just imagine them marching forth into battle whilst Heavy Metal is playing... Bad Freaking A. But thats just my two cents.

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I dunno.  I guess Vahki are technically the worse invention in terms of morality, but they're an insanely sophisticated piece of technology, even by Metru Nui's standards.  They're (mostly) autonomous, walk comfortably in bipedal mode, can shift into quadrupeds when terrain is difficult, and have a durable skeleton; their AI allows them to act effectively as a squad or alone.  Current robots don't even come close.  And to power all of that, their design either has to be incredibly power-efficient, or have a battery pack that you could just about power your house off of.  Heck, forget about robots today, nothing else in the Matoran universe comes close to that level of complexity.

 

The Boxors were impressive, considering Nuparu would have lost a lot of his technical knowledge in the Matoran pod and that he didn't have the resources he had on Metru Nui.  But he was basically taking apart an existing robot - the Bohrok skeleton - and rebuilding and rewiring it into another one, the Boxor.

 

So in terms of complexity and the skill required, I'd say Boxors were inferior to the Vahki.

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nothing else in the Matoran universe comes close to that level of complexity.

 

Execpt the Matoran Universe itself.

 

Also complexity doesn't equal overall ability necessarily, the Vahki had the job of policing Metru Nui, but could be used for so much more. The Boxors were made specifically for war, however, hypothetically speaking they could be reworked for a different task.

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Has anyone else noticed that the choices in the poll are Vahki and Bohrok, not Vahki and Boxors? I assume that the 'Bohrok' option was suppose to be 'Boxors.'

 

Regardless, the Vahki got my vote. While the Vahki were cool in the story, I always loved the Boxors. That is mainly why I voted for the Vahki. :P

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The boxors are only creepy in hindsight. Keep in mind that them being former matoran wasn't known at this point, both in-universe and out. The bohrok were very mysterious at the time, and it was stated that the bohrok themselves aren't technically alive, at least by their standards. Had Nuparu known about their origins, he might have rethought about the Boxor. (Or at least we hope.)

 

The Vahki on the other hand, jeez. An amoral robotic police force with no concept of empathy is bad enough, let alone one that enforces the law through brainwashing. Keep in mind that Nuparu had to test it out before completion. Imagine how many Matoran's minds were wiped or irreversibly damaged before the technology was perfected.

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Even though they were once matoran, bohrok were changed to a large degree so i am not sure if they (matoran) would even count it as being of their own kind. Still creepy though. So, given that circumstance as well as the one concerning their ignorance, i think the vahki is the worse invention. Technologically impressive, yes, but much more immoral.

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The boxor thing is more complicated by the fact that the Matoran didn't technically die- they just became a non-living entity. The process was theoretically  reversible using the Ignika, but it would only work if the Bohrok was whole.

 

I  think the Vahki headcanon may be slightly off as "Legacy of Evil" implies that the Vahki were created before Teridax took Dume's place, but there would still have to be testing of some sort going on.

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I  think the Vahki headcanon may be slightly off as "Legacy of Evil" implies that the Vahki were created before Teridax took Dume's place, but there would still have to be testing of some sort going on.

 

Actually, i think it was said (can't remember which canon material) that NUparu made worse robocops before the vahki, and those did terrible terrible things to several matoran before he ousted them in favor of the, surprisingly, tamer vahki.

 

though again, i can't recall where i read that, but it was one of the metru combi-models.

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Love 'em both.

But, I must admit, the Vahki are a scarier concept in a cursory glance - zero empathy, ruthless pursuit - while the Boxors are creepy in a fridge horror way (requires a little thought before it strikes you).  

Ultimately, the Vahki were useful in a city of thousands upon thousands of Matoran - how are you going to keep crime levels down?

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But they weren't ideal.

 

Actually, i think it was said (can't remember which canon material) that NUparu made worse robocops before the Vahki and those did terrible terrible things to several matoran before he ousted them in favour of the, surprisingly, tamer vahki.

Those were the Kralhi (aka Nuparu's Folly), who later lived with Mavrah in the great barrier.

In Voyage of Fear, Nuju described them as:

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And those things were closet murderers.

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Boxors, because they were mainly single function. At least Vahki could move on their own and programmable for duties, beyond the police force in theory.


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If I had a working mech made of human bones I'd totally use it.

 

...I think?

 

I think it's important most of all to think about the effects of something and how something works in practice. The Boxors were key to winning a war and protecting lives, the Vahki did the opposite. Sure one is more technically impressive, but morality is always a grey ghost, and sometimes what's right is what comes out of it, rather than how it got things done.

 

And I don't look at the gruesomeness of them tearing apart and riding matoran so plainly. The Bohrok were insect like unlike the matoran, and were evolutions from Av matoran. Sure, they're related by lineage but not directly, and evolution works a little differently in the Bionicle universe I reckon.  :P

 

Besides, with a punching action like that, who cares how great the Vahki AI was. You could have boxing matches with them after the war. All the Vahki would do is lock you up for excessive violence and trying to get a little fun out of a war machine. Or worse.

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I just will say this; after years of peace on Spherus Magna, Nuparu left to the stars were he wounded up on a strange planet and along with some robots built his most amoral creation yet: Hero Factory.   :P (Actually all joking aside it would make a little sense that Nuparu would work on Hero Factory, they have all the trademarks of robot police like the Vahkii, except with a higher ability to judge moral issues...)

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Personally, I really liked the Vahki. They aren't inherently evil; only the one who has the power over them was. I think that if the government was run more like a democratic-republic with checks and balances to power, then their presence would be most helpful. Remember, Toa Likhan was the only toa on the entire island and there was a battle with the dark hunters years prior. Their apparent purpose was to police and defend the matoran from rahi and other evils. Of course we know that the governing system became corrupt when Turaga Dume was replaced by Makuta Teridax. Maybe, if the Vahki had discernment programmed in them or had the government been run another way, I think the Vahki would of been an excellent defense force.

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Nuparu couldn't have had any idea that he was building mechs out of dead Matoran (not even, really, the Bohrok had no idea that they used to be Matoran either, and they were very different from their previous forms).

 

As for the Vahki, though, he pretty much must have known what he was doing. So I say Vahki, if that's how we're judging them as "worse". I'd also consider them worse for just what they are, as they pretty much made Metru Nui into a dystopian kind of world.

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This just came to mind, but aren't there other things in the Matoran universe that rely on a mental connection to the user?  Rhotuka launchers and I think some Kanoka could have their paths altered by the user's thoughts.  Not to mention Kanohi, requiring mental discipline and all that.

 

So when he built the Vahki, maybe Nuparu did less hacking on people's brains, but simply modded what was available - maybe he used the Kanohi interface as a backdoor into someone's mind.

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This just came to mind, but aren't there other things in the Matoran universe that rely on a mental connection to the user?  Rhotuka launchers and I think some Kanoka could have their paths altered by the user's thoughts.  Not to mention Kanohi, requiring mental discipline and all that.

 

So when he built the Vahki, maybe Nuparu did less hacking on people's brains, but simply modded what was available - maybe he used the Kanohi interface as a backdoor into someone's mind.

 

Interesting theory,

 

I mean, that's still morally corrupt as all-get-out but, interesting.

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