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#6881 Offline IcarusBen

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Posted May 20 2015 - 10:39 AM

I don't think we'll have all those fancy price listings.

 

If you want, though, I can use OSBuddy to find prices. Give your characters a goal. Seems a little bit complicated, but eh.

 

EDIT: Two things; 1, I'm looking for two co-GMs. All of us would share the same level of power. Currently, I'm think of asking Ymper Trymon to fill one spot, since he has had a pretty good balance between critical and supportive.

 

The second thing is directed at Chumpu; yes, I put a limitation on starting equipment; don't start with anything above Steel or it's equivalencies.


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Posted May 20 2015 - 04:42 PM

Losing all your defence?

That's impossible, sony. All they did was increase the level requirement by ten.

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#6883 Offline IcarusBen

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Posted May 20 2015 - 04:52 PM

Ah, gotta love it when you grind towards a specific goal and Jagex moves the finish line.


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Posted May 20 2015 - 08:28 PM

Honestly, I really can't staff a Runescape RPG right now. Barring scheduling conflicts or the fact that I'm behind in Marvel by like fifty posts, I've never played Runescape. I've never even wanted to play Runescape. While I appreciate the offer, you need someone who won't be daydreaming about Goat Simulator on the job, someone who can bring the true, authentic Runescape spirit to the table.


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Posted May 21 2015 - 11:15 AM

Well, in that case, anyone else wanna try?


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Posted May 21 2015 - 11:26 AM

To be quite honest, my advice is still to go back to the Bionicle RPG forum and work out your problems in The Asylum first before you jump ahead and tackle OTC.


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Posted May 22 2015 - 12:11 AM

I'd be willing to help out.

 

Mentor you in the ways of the OTC:

 

AKA how to keep an rpg afloat despite it being basically dead from inactivity


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Posted May 22 2015 - 01:51 AM

Don't look at me I don't know anything about the series.


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Posted May 22 2015 - 06:59 AM

It's one of the more renowned MMOs around.

 

Also in my youth you either played RS or Club Penguin. Or both. Or AdventureQuest but man I wonder if my account's still around.


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Posted May 22 2015 - 09:43 AM

I'd be willing to help out.

 

Mentor you in the ways of the OTC:

 

AKA how to keep an rpg afloat despite it being basically dead from inactivity

 

Thanks, Tyler. I'll mark you down.


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Posted May 22 2015 - 09:46 AM

hubert you son of a ###### this is getting real inconvenient

 

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Posted May 22 2015 - 09:51 AM

Ugh... What is it now, Mr. Mikisugi?


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Posted May 22 2015 - 10:30 AM

Tyler and Raz co-hosting Runescape with Icarus.

 

I might be able to dig it. 

 

Although my first advice would again be to get used to Playing in the OTC before running a game. 


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Posted May 22 2015 - 11:02 AM

Raz has won an award and Hubert is a master of many characters. You're both hired.

 

Now, how do we get one of those group PMs?


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Posted May 22 2015 - 01:36 PM

Ben, my advice? Let his madhouse go, get into a good RPG, say, Corpus Rahkshi or BZPRPG, take some time to study RPG's, join in one as a player, interact, ect. Once you've built up enough knowledge and experience on the subject, then try your hand at being a GM again. Who knows, maybe it'll work better in a second attempt?

 
 

Ben, I'm going to echo Tiragath and say that you just need more experience and time to get to know the RPing community, see what the pulse is on what they like and dislike. 
 
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The bottom line, however, is that my advice is this; Let Asylum die with some dignity. Then, after that, go play more of the games here. Get to know the community, and build a rapport with your potential playerbase. After you've done that, and taken a break for a bit, start thinking about trying again. This one didn't work out, but there's no reason the next one won't. You have the capability to run a successful game, but you're coming at it from a direction where you don't actually know how to run one in this community yet.

 
 

Although my first advice would again be to get used to Playing in the OTC before running a game.

 
 

Instead of just hoping that whatever you do next works, perhaps you should take the time to, as I have previously said, participate more as a general player in RPGs rather than trying your hand again and again as GM until you've learned enough to sustain an RPG without it potentially falling into chaos.

Essentially, I'm telling you to do more research and get more experience first before you go ahead and GM another RPG.

 

 

Ben, when you have this many people telling you to slow down and give yourself time to grow before shouldering the Mantle of GMship, you should probably take their advice.


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Posted May 22 2015 - 01:46 PM

I'm going to reiterate myself so that I don't come off like an inexperienced noob.

 

The Asylum was not the first time I have GMed an RP. It's the first time I GMed an RP on this forum, yes, and it's the first time in a long while that I GMed an RP that went about as well as filling a burlap sack with soup, but it's not the first time I have been a GM. I've been a GM for around.... ugh, now I've lost track. I think it was somewhere in the neighbourhood of around 1-2 years... Point being, I haven't had an RP crash and burn like that since the first time I GMed, and I plan not to let one do it again.

 

Plus, now that I know what went wrong with that RP, I can make sure I don't make the same mistakes. Better GM communication, getting more. experienced RPers and GMs to help, not writing Mary Sues (I have a strange feeling that Nyhe might've been half-Ga-Toa, half-Skakdi, half-Turaga, half-Great Being, half-Glatorian and half-Mata Nui) and letting the players advance the story and/or having the main story run on events that can't be directly stopped by players, but at the same time won't hinder them from doing as they please.

 

Oh, and laying out better rules and sticking to them. Gotta remember that one. It was kinda the straw that broke the Kharidian camel's back.


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Posted May 22 2015 - 01:48 PM

That's all well and dandy, but it don't mean jack when you don't have the necessary experience with the players themselves that will be playing your game.


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Posted May 22 2015 - 02:16 PM

The point is that no matter how much experience you may have off site, you have next to none when it comes to RPGs on this site and absolutely no experience when it comes to the OTC. I've RPed on quite a few different sites at this point, and I can safely say that BZPower's RPing community is rather unique. 

 

GMs here never start out as just GMs, they all have worked they way up after having been players for a while. 


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Posted May 22 2015 - 06:12 PM

I understand if you feel like people are ganging up on you, Ben, but everyone who's given you advice honestly wants you to succeed. Otherwise they wouldn't bother giving you advice and suggestions on how to improve. People wanted Asylum to succeed, which is why they stuck around for so long. People have been giving you loads of critique in this very topic, again, because we want your ideas to succeed.

With that in mind, I'd like you to take another look at the quotes posted above. I know it's hard to read them without getting defensive, but give it a shot. Stop giving excuses and rationalising everything, and just accept the advice that you are being given.

People think you have got some good ideas, but they also suggest that you gain some more experience as a player before you try GMing again. They're not saying you have no experience; they're saying you need more, and there's no shame in that.

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Posted May 22 2015 - 06:53 PM

I understand if you feel like people are ganging up on you, Ben, but everyone who's given you advice honestly wants you to succeed. Otherwise they wouldn't bother giving you advice and suggestions on how to improve. People wanted Asylum to succeed, which is why they stuck around for so long. People have been giving you loads of critique in this very topic, again, because we want your ideas to succeed.

With that in mind, I'd like you to take another look at the quotes posted above. I know it's hard to read them without getting defensive, but give it a shot. Stop giving excuses and rationalising everything, and just accept the advice that you are being given.

People think you have got some good ideas, but they also suggest that you gain some more experience as a player before you try GMing again. They're not saying you have no experience; they're saying you need more, and there's no shame in that.

Listen. Help us help you.

I appreciate the advice, I like that you're giving advice, I just happen to disagree with the advice. I feel as though I can produce a superior product than the Asylum ever was.

 

Remember, as I was GMing the Asylum, I was also playing it. I learned more about the people here and how to make a good RP.

 

I know it's hard to believe, but I read every. Single. Post. Over. And. Over. Again, in every single RP I've ever hosted. Not only that, but I read every single post here, too. You give good advice, it's just that one piece I happen to disagree with.

 

I do listen. I learn from my mistakes, and I learn from people like you and (as much as I hate to admit it) Tyler and Perp. It's just that I disagree with waiting. Granted, it's a pretty unanimous opinion, but I just don't see it that way.

 

The RP isn't going up for a while anyways, so all this talk of waiting is redundant.


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Posted May 22 2015 - 11:35 PM

You need to get a feel for the playerbase, honestly.

 

If you wanna run an OTCRPG, you gotta understand the OTC playerbase.

 

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Posted May 23 2015 - 12:17 AM

I don't even think I understand the OTCRPG player base since I haven't even been able to RP in any of them :dead".

That being said I do understand where Ben is coming from. He is the type who likes to learn from doing, not being told. Yeah he is likely to stumble, a lot. But that is how he learns. Yes it may suck that along the way he may take down some good RP ideas due to poor planning or GMing or whatever you want to call it. People learn differently. Me personally I don't ever say I know how to do something unless I have actually done in and done it multiple times and done it well.


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Posted May 23 2015 - 09:47 AM

You need to get a feel for the playerbase, honestly.

 

If you wanna run an OTCRPG, you gotta understand the OTC playerbase.

 

Join my RPG.

Thanks, but no thanks. A). Not that big into the concept (Persona in Arabia... okay...), and B)...

I don't even think I understand the OTCRPG player base since I haven't even been able to RP in any of them :dead".

That being said I do understand where Ben is coming from. He is the type who likes to learn from doing, not being told. Yeah he is likely to stumble, a lot. But that is how he learns. Yes it may suck that along the way he may take down some good RP ideas due to poor planning or GMing or whatever you want to call it. People learn differently. Me personally I don't ever say I know how to do something unless I have actually done in and done it multiple times and done it well.

Never actually thought of it like that, but it certainly makes sense considering how I learn in school.

 

Again, now I have a much better grasp as to what works here. I can write a far superior product than the Asylum ever could've been. Not only that, but if I get a co-GM who's open to communication, that's probably the biggest problem fixed.


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Posted May 23 2015 - 09:51 AM

That's a lot harder to do in OTC.

 

Because here, even if you get lots of interest in the planning topic, by the time your RPG gets out into the world, you realise that only half of them will make profiles, and they'll only play half-heartedly and post once a week unless you push them.

 

And so if your RPG isn't named Marvel: Rebirth or Rise of the Rockets, actually getting it to survive is hard.

 

OTC is an unforgiving place. A good RPG here means nothing without players, and OTC doesn't have many players.


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Posted May 23 2015 - 10:06 AM

Ben, here's my advice from someone who genuinely would rather see you improve than keep putting you down forever and ever: play the Elder Scrolls RPG for at least a few weeks to months. See how OTC works differently than the BRPG forum. Notice the playing styles of the people who play in OTC only. Then revisit the Runescape concept here and see what you've picked up from an RPG of a similar tone and genre.

 

That's all they're asking.

 

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Posted May 23 2015 - 11:24 AM

Ben, here's my advice from someone who genuinely would rather see you improve than keep putting you down forever and ever: play the Elder Scrolls RPG for at least a few weeks to months. See how OTC works differently than the BRPG forum. Notice the playing styles of the people who play in OTC only. Then revisit the Runescape concept here and see what you've picked up from an RPG of a similar tone and genre.

 

That's all they're asking.

 

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Again, the Runescape concept isn't going to be published in full anytime soon. It'll be a month or two before it's ready. In that time, I can play the Elder Scrolls RP (assuming it's approved, which so far it seems to be.) It's not like I'm gonna send it out for approval right this second.

 

The biggest problem I see with what you said is that... comparing RuneScape to the Elder Scrolls is like comparing Spongebob: Battle for Bikini Bottom to Batman: Arkham Asylum. They're very different tonally. One is light-hearted with minor moments of drama, and the other is ERMEHGERD, DERKNURSE DEURMEUR with a healthy heaping of Sheogorath every now and again.


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Posted May 23 2015 - 11:27 AM

I think you need to re-evaluate the accuracy of your own comparisons before you go and judge the accuracy of the comparisons of others.


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Posted May 23 2015 - 01:01 PM

The Elder Scrolls is not particularly dark as fantasy fare goes.

 

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Posted May 23 2015 - 02:20 PM

The Elder Scrolls is not particularly dark as fantasy fare goes.

 

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It ain't exactly gumballs and dandelions, now is it?

 

Especially not if the first fantasy RPG you ever played was RuneScape and the first Elder Scrolls game you tried was Morrowind. Man, when you're a little kid, Morrowind is FREAKY.


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Posted May 23 2015 - 02:56 PM

The RP isn't going up for a while anyways, so all this talk of waiting is redundant.


I don't consider it redundant. I think this discussion has been quite productive in that it continues to expose the fact that you are not good at listening to opinions you don't agree with, regardless of how many people hold that opinion or how qualified those people are. You claim to have learned from Asylum, but I don't know if you've learned enough. One of the chief complaints in the Asylum OOC topic is your unwillingness to listen and engage in dialogue with the players, and your conduct in this topic suggests you have not taken those complaints to heart.

I hope I'm not being too blunt, but honestly? You're so convinced of your own correctness that you won't listen to advice, even the advice of people like Tyler. And that is a worrisome quality in a GM, especially a GM who already has a track record of not being open to criticism.

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Posted May 23 2015 - 03:53 PM

 

The RP isn't going up for a while anyways, so all this talk of waiting is redundant.


I don't consider it redundant. I think this discussion has been quite productive in that it continues to expose the fact that you are not good at listening to opinions you don't agree with, regardless of how many people hold that opinion or how qualified those people are. You claim to have learned from Asylum, but I don't know if you've learned enough. One of the chief complaints in the Asylum OOC topic is your unwillingness to listen and engage in dialogue with the players, and your conduct in this topic suggests you have not taken those complaints to heart.

I hope I'm not being too blunt, but honestly? You're so convinced of your own correctness that you won't listen to advice, even the advice of people like Tyler. And that is a worrisome quality in a GM, especially a GM who already has a track record of not being open to criticism.

 

No, you aren't being too terribly blunt.

 

I do believe it is redundant, because I'm going to have to wait anyways because writing these things always takes a long while (I was lucky with the Asylum, Ghidora wrote most of that for me, though I was unlucky in the fact that he was a pretty cruddy GM.) With Ashfall, it seems like you have around 3 people writing that. I have one. I may as well keep writing it as I go along, where's the harm in that?

 

And, I'm going to be brutally honest here cause if I'm not, this conversation will be going in circles like it has been since April. You're so convinced of my incorrectness that you won't listen to viewpoints other than your own. Just because something worked for you does not mean it will work for me, and vice versa.

 

So, we can either keep going in circles which won't matter anyways because it's going to take a while before the RP is even ready to post, or we can actually talk about the RP while we wait for it to become ready?


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#6912 Offline Tsumugu Kinagise

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Posted May 23 2015 - 05:21 PM

Hey Raz, did the economy bork itself before or after Runescape 3 happened?

 

Because I have an idea.

Well before. The Grand Exchange, as convenient as it is, was the real tipping point to where things started going downhill.


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#6913 Offline Perplexed

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Posted May 23 2015 - 05:36 PM

And, I'm going to be brutally honest here cause if I'm not, this conversation will be going in circles like it has been since April. You're so convinced of my incorrectness that you won't listen to viewpoints other than your own. Just because something worked for you does not mean it will work for me, and vice versa.

 

oh i feel it oh no I caN'T STOP IT HERE IT COMES


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