Jump to content

  • Log in with Facebook Log in with Twitter Log In with Google      Sign In   
  • Create Account

Welcome to BZPower!

Hi there, while we hope you enjoy browsing through the site, there's a lot more you can do if you register. Some perks of joining include:
  • Create your own topics, participate in existing discussions, and vote in polls
  • Show off your creations, stories, art, music, and movies
  • Enter contests to win free LEGO sets and other prizes
  • Participate in raffles to win LEGO prizes
  • Organize with other members to attend or send your MOCs to LEGO fan events all over the world
  • Much, much more!
Enjoy your visit!

Photo

What if Bionicle was Bought Out?

Bionicle New Management Theory

  • Please log in to reply
20 replies to this topic

#1 Offline Evergrey: Toa of Metal

Evergrey: Toa of Metal
  • Members
  • Scavenger

  • 27-November 14
  • 616 posts
  •  

Posted Aug 13 2017 - 02:03 AM

Obviously Bionicle was cancelled, not actually bought out...

 

BUT! Just like Star Wars, what do you think would/could happen with Bionicle if a company like Disney were to buy the rights to the name and story line of Bionicle?

 

Think it would go good or bad?

Think they would let Lego be part of the design process/toy marketing? Or just completely own it and release their own action figures?

Think we'd get continuations of the old story (G1) or an entirely new story?

Think we'd have the whole works like cinematic movies and video games?

 

I wanna hear what ya'll think would happen if Disney took over Bionicle (or at least just from a story line perspective, worked on it).


  • 1

evergrey_l01.gif

Other great bands:

Iron Maiden    Journey    Mercenary    The Unguided    Trivium

Boston    Stratovarius    Symphony X    Epica


#2 Online CommanderKumo

CommanderKumo
  • Members
  • Toa

  • 08-May 17
  • 159 posts

Posted Aug 13 2017 - 02:41 AM

To be honest if disney bought Bionicle it would probably just be G2 all over again, that is what they did with Star Wars


  • 1

My Youtube channel: https://www.youtube....KmVtcnoJTv7g6PA , Bionicle films coming soon!


#3 Offline Jam Pot Studios

Jam Pot Studios
  • Members
  • Swarm Scavenger

  • 02-April 09
  • 666 posts
  •  

Posted Aug 13 2017 - 08:08 AM

I've always thought Bionicle (G1, that is) had a lot of potential to break away from the toys into a wider franchise, if it were free of Lego's needs (I don't mean that as a bad thing, I just mean that Lego has a specific set of uses for any of their themes and IPs, and ultimately Bionicle will only serve those aims while under Lego's ownership). I think it has the same potential as franchises like Transformers, though obviously that would also possibly mean taking a hit to its integrity...also like Transformers (looking at you, Bayverse).

 

A while ago, I gave a bit of thought to what might have happened if Bionicle's comic rights had stayed with DC, and honestly came to the conclusion that a comic continuity is probably the best place for Bionicle outside of realm of toys. It's a very visually vibrant saga, and with a few alterations, a G1-retold comic series could actually be something pretty stunning. Just look at what BOOM! Studios is currently doing with Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers; the source material is arguably clunkier than Bionicle, but the comic series has been growing deeper and becoming more thoughtful whilst remaining faithful to the spirit, tone, and characters established in the show. Off the back of this, I feel like in terms of story alone, it wouldn't be too hard to take the same approach to a Bionicle series.

 

But, in my limited opinion (because I only have a limited understanding of what Lego's motivations might be, and what would be involved in selling the rights, etc) I think it's unlikely that we will see anything of Bionicle for a while. G2 was a failure (in my opinion, its marketing and story were so poorly thought out that it almost, almost deserved to fail) and I think it's unlikely that Lego would take a risk on the franchise for a while. After all, toy stores are going to remember not selling Bionicles, and won't want to stock them. In turn, I think comic publishers would be hesitant to buy something that's sort of tainted like Bionicle is now (financially).

 

Just my two cents. I could be wrong, but as far as Bionicle's story/engagement potential goes, I think I'm right. I've probably said all this in a really hamfisted way, too, so sorry about that.


  • 3

Blog|YouTube|Flickr

Making brickfilms since 2007.

Check out my latest animations: Green, Vampire Owls, and Avengers Tower!

The first episode of Nuva, Magnetic Mania, is now live! Check it out!

Posted Image



#4 Offline necross hordika

necross hordika
  • Members
  • Pahrak-Kal Melted

  • 09-December 02
  • 4,570 posts
  •  

Posted Aug 13 2017 - 08:15 AM

I doubt Lego will let go of it. They are just waiting for the right time to relaunch it after a few years.


  • 0


#5 Offline Aanchir

Aanchir
  • Premier Member
  • Premier Reporters
  • Another Chir Brother

  • 04-September 06
  • 6,548 posts
  •   BZP Reporter

Posted Aug 13 2017 - 02:54 PM

If any company like Disney or Warner Bros had interest in the property for media reasons, why would they go to the expense of buying the entire IP rather than just licensing the media rights? For that matter, why would LEGO have any more interest in selling the entire property than just licensing it out? The only reason I could see this happening is if a media company wanted to be able to license the toy rights out to a company other than LEGO, and I can't imagine any incentive LEGO would have to enable that.

I think it's a highly exaggerated scenario to imagine any major company even WANTING the rights to Bionicle enough to put in a substantial bid. If a company like Disney wanted to make Bionicle shows or movies, there's no reason to think they wouldn't have put in a bid for the TV or movie rights already during or prior to G2. Licenses for a property like this generally don't end up in the hands of small studios when much bigger studios that already have a working relationship with the IP owner have a vested interest in acquiring them.

Also, the Star Wars situation was vastly different in that Disney acquired the entire company (Lucasfilm) that owned the Star Wars IP. It wasn't a case of Lucasfilm selectively selling one of their brands to a company that had no specific loyalties to their business interests, it was a case of George Lucas selling 100% of a company that he was the owner of in exchange for shares in Disney.

Edited by Aanchir, Aug 13 2017 - 03:03 PM.

  • 4

25450756306_58415c3e74_z.jpg
The call of a Dragon in danger to save. All must unite, with Magic, be brave!


#6 Offline Azani

Azani
  • Members
  • Stalwart Defender

  • 16-November 13
  • 402 posts
  •  

Posted Aug 13 2017 - 10:17 PM

If any company like Disney or Warner Bros had interest in the property for media reasons, why would they go to the expense of buying the entire IP rather than just licensing the media rights? For that matter, why would LEGO have any more interest in selling the entire property than just licensing it out? The only reason I could see this happening is if a media company wanted to be able to license the toy rights out to a company other than LEGO, and I can't imagine any incentive LEGO would have to enable that.

I think it's a highly exaggerated scenario to imagine any major company even WANTING the rights to Bionicle enough to put in a substantial bid. If a company like Disney wanted to make Bionicle shows or movies, there's no reason to think they wouldn't have put in a bid for the TV or movie rights already during or prior to G2. Licenses for a property like this generally don't end up in the hands of small studios when much bigger studios that already have a working relationship with the IP owner have a vested interest in acquiring them.

Also, the Star Wars situation was vastly different in that Disney acquired the entire company (Lucasfilm) that owned the Star Wars IP. It wasn't a case of Lucasfilm selectively selling one of their brands to a company that had no specific loyalties to their business interests, it was a case of George Lucas selling 100% of a company that he was the owner of in exchange for shares in Disney.

 
I agree, but that's quite the lengthy (and unnecessary) response to hypothetical scenario that's just for fun. :P
 
I mean, it definitely could provide a serious breath of fresh air if the new owner chose to utilize the property in a way that took advantage of G1's potential to a greater degree than TLG did. However, I frankly believe that the folks who created Bionicle are probably going to be better at that than any others.
 
What would likely happen is that the new owners would lack the funds possessed by TLG, the most powerful toy company in the world, and thus the property would be treated with less care than it has ever been treated in the past. I could definitely be wrong about that, but it seems to be the most realistic scenario.

EDIT: I went ahead and read your question in greater detail, so I'll jump in and clarify a few more thoughts:

  • I don't think that it would go particularly well from the perspective of older, dedicated fans (i.e., every single person who is currently a member here) but I can definitely see the potential for it to succeed as far as revenue and widespread popularity goes on a mass scale. When you get down to it, BIONICLE just had a good story.
  • I feel like you're implicating that said company would lack all rights to the content and branding, as TLG would likely proceed with the idea of licensing the theme if they were to have any hope of retaining creative control and they weren't financially desperate. Thus, I do suspect that they would maintain significant creative control; probably all when toys were concerned.
  • I can pretty much guarantee that we would not receive any sort of continuation or elaboration on anything specific in G1. For the record, there are plenty of folks who probably would love that, but I can totally empathize with you if you're not one of them.
  • Would "we" get the full works? Nah, nothing would be geared toward us; anything that did get released on that sort of level would likely have seen massive overhauls from the G1 days.

Edited by Azani, Aug 13 2017 - 10:44 PM.

  • 1
Find (digital) me under the name Azani on YouTube, Eurobricks, Discord, the BioMedia Project and the TTV Message Boards.
 
Please check out Project AFTERMAN on Tumblr and Facebook; I'm proud to have worked as their PR Manager and as a writer.

 
AAZZ.jpg

#7 Offline Sir Keksalot

Sir Keksalot
  • Members
  • Toa

  • 30-July 16
  • 196 posts
  •  

Posted Aug 14 2017 - 02:51 PM

Call me a heretic, but I'd love to see Bionicle revived as an action MOBA with a serial being published alongside it. I'd be tickled if Turtle Rock got their hands on it, but I don't know of any other developers I trust with the franchise.


  • 1

Rule #1: Always listen to Kek.

 

Rule #2: If you break rule #1, stop right now or I'll break into your house in a Shrek costume and start singing a song about onions.

 

Rule #3: EVERYBODY TYPE IN THE CHAT "AVAK IS A STUPID TRIGGER"


#8 Offline Evergrey: Toa of Metal

Evergrey: Toa of Metal
  • Members
  • Scavenger

  • 27-November 14
  • 616 posts
  •  

Posted Aug 14 2017 - 08:02 PM

Call me a heretic, but I'd love to see Bionicle revived as an action MOBA with a serial being published alongside it. I'd be tickled if Turtle Rock got their hands on it, but I don't know of any other developers I trust with the franchise.

 

Or if it was published as a video game, why not just have the developer put a boat load of effort into making a fantastic campaign mode? (And have a serial made to give more backstory/world building to the franchise).

 

In that particular scenario, I wouldn't necessarily have a specific company/publisher in mind to work on it, but as far as teams/crews are concerned, I'd want some of the people involved to be the ones who worked on CoD: Black Ops 3 (regardless of CoD as a whole, I think that Black Ops 3 story is awesome).


  • 0

evergrey_l01.gif

Other great bands:

Iron Maiden    Journey    Mercenary    The Unguided    Trivium

Boston    Stratovarius    Symphony X    Epica


#9 Offline Azani

Azani
  • Members
  • Stalwart Defender

  • 16-November 13
  • 402 posts
  •  

Posted Aug 14 2017 - 10:17 PM

Call me a heretic, but I'd love to see Bionicle revived as an action MOBA with a serial being published alongside it. I'd be tickled if Turtle Rock got their hands on it, but I don't know of any other developers I trust with the franchise.


Looks up what a MOBA is.

I could get behind that; you know, the greatest potential issue with that is losing out on some world expansion and character development as a result of a lack of focus on side characters and minor locations. As Ive always considered it, one of G1's strengths was that it jumped from timeframe to timeframe and ventured across a number of varied lands, allowing us to meet the locals and their culture and adding to the feel of an old-fashioned epic à la Lord of the Rings.

As a note, I get that many people probably aren't extra passionate about those parts of G1, so that might be something to take into consideration. All the same, the fandom is big enough that I suspect that many folks feel the same way. :P

Edited by Azani, Aug 14 2017 - 10:17 PM.

  • 0
Find (digital) me under the name Azani on YouTube, Eurobricks, Discord, the BioMedia Project and the TTV Message Boards.
 
Please check out Project AFTERMAN on Tumblr and Facebook; I'm proud to have worked as their PR Manager and as a writer.

 
AAZZ.jpg

#10 Offline Master Inika

Master Inika
  • Members
  • Mask of Light Unveiled

  • 07-October 07
  • 5,074 posts
  •  

Posted Aug 14 2017 - 10:56 PM

This is highly unlikely (I don't believe LEGO has ever sold any of its IPs), but the underlying question, would BIONICLE be a more coherent story if it wasn't restricted by having to sell toys, is yes. I forget where or when, but I believe Greg Farshtey once commented that he was contractually obligated in one of the 2006 Legends books to include 56 characters or something like that, since there were sets of all of them.


  • 1

"You are an absolute in these uncertain times. Your past is forgotten, and your
future is an empty book. You must find your own destiny, my brave adventurer.
"
-- Turaga Nokama
okonicle.png
Click here to visit my library!


#11 Offline Takametru007

Takametru007
  • Members
  • Toa

  • 25-October 14
  • 126 posts
  •  

Posted Aug 15 2017 - 07:00 AM

Mata-Nui, no.

 

I could see LEGO working with Warner Brothers to create a TV show or movie series - or even adding a re-booted version of BIONICLE to the Dimensions game - but LEGO isn't the type to sell IP's. When they can sell a product without the licensing, I imagine they'd want to take advantage of that.

 

But please, Mata-Nui no. Never sell it to someone like Disney. They would ruin it. They only way that could ever happen would be if Disney bought LEGO outright - which is incredibly unlikely, as LEGO is sort of a family business.


  • 0

#12 Offline evil_jaga_genius

evil_jaga_genius
  • Members
  • Conqueror of the Swarm!

  • 17-January 15
  • 740 posts
  •  

Posted Aug 15 2017 - 07:21 AM

Call me a heretic, but I'd love to see Bionicle revived as an action MOBA with a serial being published alongside it.

AAAAAAAUGH NO NO SWEET MATA NUI NO

 

...ahem.

 

I'd be fine with a combat platformer like Freedom Planet.  A parkour game like Mirror's Edge.  A hack-and-slash like Nier Automata.  Open-world, survival, strategy, RPG, tower defense, flight sim on a Gukko bird, anything besides a MOBA.

 

My experience with MOBAs is that they have forgettable characters, no story whatsoever.  The developers always want to drain your money by getting you to buy worthless 'collectible' skins and junk.  The 'players' don't want to play the game at all, they just want said skins and junk.  And if by chance you do get some people that are actually interested in the game, they're cutthroat hyper-competitive, trying to be 'professional' but they don't care about having fun.

 

Please, for the love of Mata Nui, do not take my beloved Bionicle and turn it into MOBA garbage.

 

...but other than choice of genre, I'm completely behind taking Bionicle and turning into a game franchise.


  • 2

The raving lunatic behind Adventure Posts and The Isle of Malkhar
Avatar by Nicholas Anderson (NickonAquaMagna)

Skyrise profile: Dedris + the Chieftain

If I don't respond in the RPG, send me a PM about it and I'll try and get stuff worked out

 

Think a community RPG project sounds interesting?  Let me know here!


#13 Offline Sir Keksalot

Sir Keksalot
  • Members
  • Toa

  • 30-July 16
  • 196 posts
  •  

Posted Aug 15 2017 - 12:46 PM

 

Call me a heretic, but I'd love to see Bionicle revived as an action MOBA with a serial being published alongside it. I'd be tickled if Turtle Rock got their hands on it, but I don't know of any other developers I trust with the franchise.

 

Or if it was published as a video game, why not just have the developer put a boat load of effort into making a fantastic campaign mode? (And have a serial made to give more backstory/world building to the franchise).

 

In that particular scenario, I wouldn't necessarily have a specific company/publisher in mind to work on it, but as far as teams/crews are concerned, I'd want some of the people involved to be the ones who worked on CoD: Black Ops 3 (regardless of CoD as a whole, I think that Black Ops 3 story is awesome).

 

I can see that working out.

 

 

 

Call me a heretic, but I'd love to see Bionicle revived as an action MOBA with a serial being published alongside it. I'd be tickled if Turtle Rock got their hands on it, but I don't know of any other developers I trust with the franchise.


Looks up what a MOBA is.

I could get behind that; you know, the greatest potential issue with that is losing out on some world expansion and character development as a result of a lack of focus on side characters and minor locations. As Ive always considered it, one of G1's strengths was that it jumped from timeframe to timeframe and ventured across a number of varied lands, allowing us to meet the locals and their culture and adding to the feel of an old-fashioned epic à la Lord of the Rings.

As a note, I get that many people probably aren't extra passionate about those parts of G1, so that might be something to take into consideration. All the same, the fandom is big enough that I suspect that many folks feel the same way. :P

 

Well, the world expansion could easily be fleshed out through the addition of more characters that elaborate on just what's in the world. With new releases comes more lore; and as far as character development goes, that's what the serial is for. Not saying it's the best option, but one that could potentially work out.

 

 

 

Call me a heretic, but I'd love to see Bionicle revived as an action MOBA with a serial being published alongside it.

AAAAAAAUGH NO NO SWEET MATA NUI NO

 

...ahem.

 

I'd be fine with a combat platformer like Freedom Planet.  A parkour game like Mirror's Edge.  A hack-and-slash like Nier Automata.  Open-world, survival, strategy, RPG, tower defense, flight sim on a Gukko bird, anything besides a MOBA.

 

My experience with MOBAs is that they have forgettable characters, no story whatsoever.

 

Good writing is the solution to this. Most MOBA's don't actually have good character development, this is true; but that's because they're not written well, and little dialogue between them is available. But in the case of a game like Evolve, which isn't a MOBA per se but has a similar structure of character roster, we're given opportunities to hear the characters interact with one another in-game. The characters are well-developed and memorable as a result. A MOBA with some prep time before a match in which the characters have a conversation, or even a game structure in which there's idle moments when they can just start talking, is what allows for this. Even if such is not possible, an official serial still allows for a chance to get a sense of what the characters are really like.

 

 

 

Call me a heretic, but I'd love to see Bionicle revived as an action MOBA with a serial being published alongside it.

The developers always want to drain your money by getting you to buy worthless 'collectible' skins and junk.  The 'players' don't want to play the game at all, they just want said skins and junk.  And if by chance you do get some people that are actually interested in the game, they're cutthroat hyper-competitive, trying to be 'professional' but they don't care about having fun.

 

Please, for the love of Mata Nui, do not take my beloved Bionicle and turn it into MOBA garbage.

 

...but other than choice of genre, I'm completely behind taking Bionicle and turning into a game franchise.

 

Microtransactions aren't an inherently bad thing. In fact, making money solely on cosmetics is a good business model because nobody's forced to pay into anything that would affect gameplay. I've got no experience with players who don't want to play the game and only care about earning cosmetics; the only problem with MOBA communities that I've ever gotten is they tend to be primarily comprised of ragers, trolls, and/or genuine idiots. With a dedicated story to go along with the game that anyone, even non-players, can follow, people who want to consume Bionicle media without getting involved with the feeders and wannabe pros have something to get involved in and talk about. The actual multiplayer competition is only there for the sake of franchise sustainability.


  • 1

Rule #1: Always listen to Kek.

 

Rule #2: If you break rule #1, stop right now or I'll break into your house in a Shrek costume and start singing a song about onions.

 

Rule #3: EVERYBODY TYPE IN THE CHAT "AVAK IS A STUPID TRIGGER"


#14 Offline slifer3000

slifer3000
  • Members
  • Lightning Voyager

  • 27-February 13
  • 341 posts
  •  

Posted Aug 16 2017 - 09:11 PM

Bionicle, from the get-go, had a freakishly epic aim and its authors had serious ambition. It was compared to the Iliad directly in the 2003 style guide discs. Its almost a shame that it was confined to a toy series, when it could have been an amazing standalone novel series, comic series, or even film series. If the rights to it were bought, my biggest fear is that the story would be dumbed down to make telling it easier. Its probably best that it stays with lego until one of us has a film career big enough to turn it into a movie with integrity to its original story :P


  • 1

Knock Knock

 

Who's there

 

Hoff

 

Hoff who

 

Yes

 

 

 


#15 Offline MrSciFiGuy

MrSciFiGuy
  • Members
  • Mata Nuian Protector Defeated

  • 22-December 04
  • 3,340 posts
  •  

Posted Aug 17 2017 - 04:47 AM

Bionicle gets bought out by Marvel and used as disposable mass robot enemies for the next few movies. 

 

But seriously, Bionicle in its own was a monumental achievement of story, world building, and characters. Other generations may come and take up the mantle but the likes of Greg and Faber were extremely passionate and talented about everything, don't think we'd see it done as well ever again. 

 

Bionicle could totally work as a current day MMO or something directed at kids. Think Maplestory but mixed with MNOG


  • 1

audio_narration_project_banner_wide.jpg

 

Bionicle: ANP aims to create narrated versions of all the Bionicle books, with voice actors for each character, and music taken from various media to enhance the story. Check here if you're interested in voicing a character, and here for the chapters that've already been released!

Formerly: Tahu Nuva 3.0

Looking for a Bionicle Beanie. Black one with the symbol on it. Contact me if you are willing to sell


#16 Offline Aanchir

Aanchir
  • Premier Member
  • Premier Reporters
  • Another Chir Brother

  • 04-September 06
  • 6,548 posts
  •   BZP Reporter

Posted Aug 17 2017 - 03:49 PM

Its almost a shame that it was confined to a toy series, when it could have been an amazing standalone novel series, comic series, or even film series.


I'm grateful that it WAS a toy series, as I seriously doubt it would ever have been as popular or successful as it was if it weren't. If the story of Bionicle made it engaging, it was the toys that made it marketable. There's a reason you rarely see ginormous science-fantasy epics gain mass pop culture appeal when they don't have some merchandise-driven angle. Closest I can think of in recent history are Avatar: The Last Airbender and Steven Universe, which have/had pretty limited toylines. But series like that are few and far between, and both those examples still focus on colorful, kid-targeted cartoon storytelling rather than any kind of pretentious adult-targeted literary or cinematic aspirations. I don't think it's those series' relative LACK of toys that made them what they were.

Edited by Aanchir, Aug 17 2017 - 03:51 PM.

  • 0

25450756306_58415c3e74_z.jpg
The call of a Dragon in danger to save. All must unite, with Magic, be brave!


#17 Offline Banana Gunz

Banana Gunz
  • Members
  • Stone Champion Nuva

  • 25-July 14
  • 1,560 posts
  •  

Posted Aug 17 2017 - 06:24 PM

People have built themselves such a stubborn caricature of Disney (and especially the new Star Wars movies) in their minds that it's clear there is no rational discussion to be had.

 

The hate against Disney is so immense but as it was clear with the post on the facebook group no one seems to have a very clear argument as to why. Sure, there are singular reasons one could bring up, but the failure to do so simply shows that people are content to participate in the internet hate machine. Grasping to have an opinion by latching on to any singular nitpick or idea still doesn't make it an educated or worthwhile opinion. People aren't interested in discussion it seems. Maybe who can blame them, life is hard enough just trying to survive.


  • 1

tumblr: it's a lovely place to be if you've gone mad

flickr: mah yummy gross pics mmm

facebook: HA

 

Pew Pew

 

Pew Pew Pew


#18 Offline Pohaturon

Pohaturon
  • Premier Member
  • Premier Members
  • Scavenger Va

  • 11-March 07
  • 663 posts
  •  

Posted Aug 18 2017 - 12:46 AM

Discounting the obvious exceptions, the buying out of properties (regardless of the property, or who is buying) almost always leads to the ######ization of said property, or at least some kind of reimagining which is wholly different from what the original creators had in mind. I don't see any reason for Bionicle to be bought by anyone or sold by Lego, as someone has already brought up. 

If we're talking about licensing, I'd love to see the property picked up by AAA video game developers instead of the go-to answers of movie studios or comic publishers. We never really got the video game Bionicle truly deserved, and the way I see it, a full-fledged Bionicle RPG produced by a AAA studio could have traction in the gaming community simply on the virtue of being a really good science-fantasy RPG without necessarily relying on existing Bionicle fans. The lore is pretty original as far as games go and fits the RPG model perfectly. 

 

 

People have built themselves such a stubborn caricature of Disney (and especially the new Star Wars movies) in their minds that it's clear there is no rational discussion to be had.

 

The hate against Disney is so immense but as it was clear with the post on the facebook group no one seems to have a very clear argument as to why. Sure, there are singular reasons one could bring up, but the failure to do so simply shows that people are content to participate in the internet hate machine. Grasping to have an opinion by latching on to any singular nitpick or idea still doesn't make it an educated or worthwhile opinion. People aren't interested in discussion it seems. Maybe who can blame them, life is hard enough just trying to survive.

I dislike the idea of Disney buying out Bionicle, or any property, really, but not because of some groupthink bandwagon nonsense. I dislike the very concept of near-monopolies and Disney is too big a corporate miasma already without being fed even more. I don't hate Disney itself, nor the content it produces, however I feel that diversity on a corporate level is necessary for a healthy industry. Disney is alright, Disney absorbing more IP is not.

 

:kakama:


  • 1

Stone does not bend. Stone does not break. Stone endures. :kakama: 

 

"The fish was wet and slimy, and decidedly dead." - George Stobbart, Broken Sword

 

I write stories, which you can read at A Beach, Somewhere


#19 Offline masterchirox580

masterchirox580
  • Members
  • Emerging Stone Champion

  • 17-September 14
  • 1,492 posts
  •  

Posted Aug 18 2017 - 07:43 AM

Chances are it would not be good at all. The current TV and film climate demand comedy for children's entertainment. That's what the studios want. Due to that climate a bionicle film or TV series would likely be very similar to journey to one (if not even more watered down). The world building aspect and the action would likely be pushed to the side in order to have comedic writing based on characters. What makes this even worse is that bionicle characters usually aren't that comedic in personality. So the characters would have to be drastically different in order to fill the demand for comedy. This could be seen in journey to one where the characters made jokes like the TMNT with their personality traits occasionally shoe horned in in order to give some distinction. The only way this could work is if bionicle was adapted into a video game. But Lego stopped dealing with third parties outside of TT games a long time ago. So if this were to somehow happen today it's unlikely to end well.


  • 0

It's time to move on.


#20 Offline Lyichir

Lyichir
  • Premier Member
    BioniLUG Member
  • Premier Members
  • A Chir Brother

  • 21-March 06
  • 4,411 posts
  •  

Posted Aug 18 2017 - 04:28 PM

Chances are it would not be good at all. The current TV and film climate demand comedy for children's entertainment. That's what the studios want. Due to that climate a bionicle film or TV series would likely be very similar to journey to one (if not even more watered down). The world building aspect and the action would likely be pushed to the side in order to have comedic writing based on characters. What makes this even worse is that bionicle characters usually aren't that comedic in personality. So the characters would have to be drastically different in order to fill the demand for comedy. This could be seen in journey to one where the characters made jokes like the TMNT with their personality traits occasionally shoe horned in in order to give some distinction. The only way this could work is if bionicle was adapted into a video game. But Lego stopped dealing with third parties outside of TT games a long time ago. So if this were to somehow happen today it's unlikely to end well.

 

I would argue that there is a heck of a lot of great entertainment for children these days that manages to expertly blend action, comedy, and genuine, heartfelt emotion—look at the Lego Movie and its sequels/spinoffs, or TV shows like Steven Universe. Arguably, of the three aspects I mentioned, Bionicle G1 was good on action but had a significant deficit in regards to both of the latter two elements while Bionicle G2 was middling in regard to both of the first two aspects while possibly being even more lacking in regard to the third than G1 had been.

 

Ultimately if there's any barrier to Bionicle coming back, it being owned by Lego isn't one of them and neither is some perceived deficiency in the current state of children's entertainment. I would actually greatly appreciate a Bionicle revival that skewed lighter and softer and focused less on edgy action and more on authentic interpersonal relationships between its main heroes and with other characters.


Edited by Lyichir, Aug 18 2017 - 04:30 PM.

  • 1
Formerly Lyichir: Rachira of Influence
Aanchir's and Meiko's brother

#21 Offline Banana Gunz

Banana Gunz
  • Members
  • Stone Champion Nuva

  • 25-July 14
  • 1,560 posts
  •  

Posted Aug 18 2017 - 05:17 PM


*snip*

I dislike the idea of Disney buying out Bionicle, or any property, really, but not because of some groupthink bandwagon nonsense. I dislike the very concept of near-monopolies and Disney is too big a corporate miasma already without being fed even more. I don't hate Disney itself, nor the content it produces, however I feel that diversity on a corporate level is necessary for a healthy industry. Disney is alright, Disney absorbing more IP is not.

 

:kakama:

 

Alright, I can understand that. I don't like large corporations either. Once one body gains power compound interest kicks in and lets one get more than any singular element can handle. I find it strange though that people are looking at any singular IP that Disney either buys or gets the license to as another step towards a monopoly. Disney doesn't have and never has had a complete monopoly over stories because there are still tons of other film and media companies out there producing tons of other stories that make money and have followings. I guess my main issue is treating any singular exchange as the coming of doom when it's the system itself that has allowed such things and is fundamentally broken. Pointing fingers at Disney feels like finding a scape goat when in the least Disney is at least in face less malicious than some of its competition. Or maybe not, I can't honestly pretend I'm some sort of expert on this.

 

Though I do appreciate your comment, it feels anomalous. I don't mean to make it sound like people are a hive mind but there is a tendency to make assumptions and participate in popular ideas less for their actual meaning and more for the sake of the feeling of belonging. It's true whether one chooses to believe in it or not. It's not meant to be elitist, I just point it out because recognition of an issue is the beginning of anything. Everyone and everything is on some level a part of it, and I'm not discluding myself. Whether it's the unimportant hypothetical of Disney buying/licensing Bionicle or any larger thing, it's there.


  • 0

tumblr: it's a lovely place to be if you've gone mad

flickr: mah yummy gross pics mmm

facebook: HA

 

Pew Pew

 

Pew Pew Pew





0 user(s) are browsing this forum

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users