Ziko Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 (edited) Welcome to the Comics forum!These are the rules and guidelines of the Comics forum. As you may have noticed, this topic is a copy of Pohuaki's forum guidelines with some changes (colored green).ChangesThere have been two major changes to the artwork forums over the forum upgrade. Those are...[*]Both Bionicle and LEGO material can be posted in the Comics forum. The artwork forums are no longer Bionicle-exclusive, so any LEGO-related comics should be posted here. Non-LEGO comics should still be posted in Completely Off Topic.[*]Music and movies have their own forum. BZPower now has a Music and Movies forum. Movies that would previously be posted in the Comics forum now belong there.[*]There is no revival limit in the Comics forum. The reasoning behind this is that comics are often ongoing stories, like those in the Library.Rules Overview (the short version of the rules)...[*]BZPower rules apply here. In particular, please don't spam and don't flame. Your posts should be on topic and add something to the discussion, and any criticism should be constructive. Also, no first-to-post posts, no start-of-page celebrations, and no leet. An exception to the BZP rules is that topic starters and co-authors may double post when posting new material.[*]All topics in this forum should present LEGO related comics. More precisely, your own LEGO related comics, not something that you found on Brickshelf.[*]Some topics featuring your own original comics are not allowed. Examples of these topics include teasers and games (RPG, voting on outcome, etc.).[*]Many types of topics keep popping up, even though they are not allowed. The most common of these are request topics, "post here" topics, contest topics, project planning topics, help topics, and "I'll post something if I get 'x' replies" topics.[*]When posting topics, please don't flood the forum with your topics, and please don't repost a topic.[*]Don't post inappropriate pictures. Excessive violence, sexual content, and toilet humor are examples of things that are not acceptable, and all rules regarding language on BZP also apply to words used in pictures.[*]Several types of posts are not allowed. These include generic posts, quoting of objectionable material, and posts that attempt to hijack the topic or advertise another topic. Don't make posts that need to be prefaced with an apology or an excuse for the post. Also, don't tell people to post, and don't post telling someone that they broke a rule; just report it.----------------Details (an explanation of the rules)...---------------- [*]BZPower rules apply. Just because a rule isn't specifically listed here doesn't mean that it doesn't apply to this forum.[*]No spam. The posting of comics and specific, non-generic comments regarding posted comics is not spam. Posts without these things are probably spam. Adding these things to posts that are otherwise spam is still spam. Any casual chatting, off-topic discussion, or repeating what has already been said is also spam.[*]No flaming. Any criticism must be constructive. If you don't like something, explain what you don't like about it. Suggestions on what you think would improve it are also acceptable.[*]No first-to-post posts. Any variant on that phrase, including second, third, etc., stating what position your post or reply holds, is not allowed.[*]No start-of-page celebrations. It doesn't matter what page you are on. People have different page settings, and your post may slip as I prune out some of the earlier posts.[*]No leet. Please try to keep your posts in standard English with correct grammar and spelling, and don't use leet.[*]Topic revival is allowed. It is okay to post in topics older than twenty days/a month in the Comics forum.[*]Topic starters and co-authors may double post when posting new material. If a topic starter or a co-author is adding a new comic/chapter/etc., they may double post (triple post, quadruple post, etc.) to add that new material. They may not double post to announce that they will post new material soon, or to say that they will be away for awhile, or for any reason other than to post new material in the topic.----------------[*]Topics in this forum should be about LEGO related comics. All LEGO related comics go here; sprite comics, hand drawn, fumetti, one shot, or whatever, it doesn't matter. Comic related movies should be posted in the Music and Movies forum. If it's non-LEGO, it goes in the Completely Off Topic forum.[*]Post your own comics. Topics are to be of your comics, or comics that you are posting for someone else. "Look what I found on brickshelf" topics are not allowed.----------------[*]Don't post teasers. A teaser is different from a preview in that it contains no real useful information. A teaser is frequently a dark or blurred image, or something sufficiently out of context that you can't really figure out what it is. These usually elicit comments like "Cool! I wonder what is is?" or "when will it be done?"; in other words, spam. A preview contains a completed portion of a project that people can give useful feedback on.[*]No games allowed. Some comics have tried to involve reader participation by essentially illustrating an RPG or having members vote on what will happen. Both of these quickly become spamfests. If you want to create a game in the appropriate forum and make a related comic here, that's OK as long as all game/rules/voting/discussion posts stay out of this forum.----------------[*]No request topics. You may only take requests from people in an approved shop. Otherwise, no requests for what to do next and no requests for guest star appearances, among other things. Anything related to requests (especially guest star requests) must be PMed, not posted.[*]No "post here" topics. Do you want to see other people's comics, movies, etc.? You can put a line in your signature asking people to PM things to you, but don't create a topic about it.[*]No contest topics. Contests may only be started with the permission of the administrators, and are usually run, or at least supervised, by forum leaders.[*]No project planning topics. If you don't have anything to show people, but are just looking for assistance or suggestions or guest stars, don't make a topic about it; put a line about it in your signature. Please make sure that you have something that shows that you've put some work into this; I'm seeing too many pics/"posters" with some words and a single enlarged sprite.[*]No help topics. Help topics go in the Bionicle Artwork II forum, and need moderator approval.[*]No "I'll post something if I get 'x' replies" topics. If you have something to show people, go ahead and post it; don't make a game of it. If you try this, you most likely won't get 'x' replies, because a moderator will close your topic.----------------[*]Don't flood the forum. Everyone wants their topics to be seen, so it gets annoying when someone posts a half dozen new topics blasting them off of the first page. If you have a series of similar things to post, even over a period of several days or a few weeks, please put them in the same topic.[*]Don't repost topics. If a topic didn't do well, let it rest in peace. An exception to this rule is that a topic similar to a dead topic may be created if there is a significant amount of new information to add, such as several new comics for a comics topic that died.----------------[*]Don't post pictures with inappropriate subject matter. Excessive violence, sexual content, and toilet humor are examples of things that are not acceptable.[*]Watch your language in pictures. Any text that shouldn't be in a post on BZP shouldn't be in your comic or picture, either.----------------[*]Don't make generic posts. Please make sure that every post that you make says something specific about the topic. Things like "Wow! That's really good", "Awesome work! I give it a 10 out of 10!" and "I wish I could draw like that! KUTGW!" don't say anything specific about the topic, and could apply to most topics in this forum. Many times, its obvious that the person making the posts hasn't thought about, or even looked at, the subject of the topic - this is a big enough problem that if I can't tell from your post that you looked at the picture(s) that the topic is about, I'll assume that you haven't.[*]Don't quote objectionable material. If material is objectionable, it shouldn't have been posted in the first place. Why would you post it again? All that does is increase the likelyhood of it being seen. Quoting objectionable material in a post may be treated as severely as making the original objectionable post.[*]No topic hijacking. Don't post your own artwork in someone else's topic without their permission. An exception would be if you were trying to suggest a change to what they did, and a visual example would help illustrate that suggestion.[*]No topic advertising. Do not direct people to your topic by posting a link or reference in someone else's topic. You may reference another topic in your post if it is relevent to the current discussion.[*]Don't tell people to post. If they have something to say, they'll post. Otherwise, it's just spam. Many topics in this forum don't get more than 10 replies, and a typical views to posts ratio is about 20 to 1. People see the cluster of topics with lots of replies on the first few pages, and think that topics with over 100 replies are typical; they're not.[*]If you feel the need to place a disclaimer, excuse, or apology before a comment, you probably shouldn't be making the comment. Prefacing a post with something like "no offense...", "I don't mean to flame...", "I'm not whining...", or "sorry to double post..." usually means that you're being offensive, flaming, whining, double posting, or doing something else that's against the rules. Even worse, you know that you're breaking the rules, and are doing it anyway. Just saying that you're not doing something doesn't magically make it so, and apologizing for doing something wrong in advance doesn't make it OK.[*]Report problems, don't post about them. If someone breaks a rule, use the report button. The purpose of reporting is to help the moderators, not to get someone in trouble. You don't have to say much; most of my reports are things like "spam" or "double post." If the problem is in a comic or picture, and there are several in the post, please indicate which comic or picture the problem is in. If the matter is urgent, you could PM a moderator who is currently online. If you don't report it, its unlikely that a moderator will fix it unless they happen to read the topic, in which case they probably would have noticed it anyway, so you're not helping the moderator. In many cases, the person who created the problem won't come back to read your post, so you're not helping them, either. The most likely result of your posting about something like this is that you will waste bandwidth. Even if you're posting something else that is on topic, tossing in a comment about what someone did wrong isn't recommended. Edited November 29, 2011 by Ziko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~kh Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Guess I'll be the first to ask: what actually happened to Pohuaks? Also, will comics also get a 30 day limit like all the other forums in Artwork, or will it still be under the 20 day limit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tavakai Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I'm assuming he's retired; he'd been here a while.Also, it does say 20 days in Ziko's post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Invictus Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Yep, Pohuaki's a POBZPC now. I hope the revival cutoff gets lifted. Really. Up, down, turn around, please don't let me hit the ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Jo Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 But he's still leader of what was previously AWI and AWII. Maybe he's just sick of us. bionicle is trans culture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iPenguin Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 (edited) Nope. Bonesii is. Anyways, I trust ziko. EDIT: Someone wrote a review on BZP on alexa.com This is what it said:My son joined this web site some time ago, and starting publishing some comics, if I remember correctly, in order to showcase his creative efforts. He was subsequently put down by other members and told to leave the site for his not yet up-to-par ability in making his comics. When we addressed the staff about it, they informed us that it is only normal and that my son should deal with the criticism, even though it clearly states in the rules for comics that only constructive criticism is allowed. None of the other members who commented on his comics posted constructively and were ultimately destructive in their comments. My son was really hurt by the comments they made. The staff does very poor service to help the community deal with issues that they find on the site, case in point above. The community is dysfunctional because the members are not supportive of each other and are in fact quite offensive. I do not want to have another experience dealing with this site. Link Edited October 15, 2011 by iPenguin Majhost sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observance Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Question: If your thread includes both LEGO-related and non-LEGO-related comics, would it still stay in the Comics Forum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iPenguin Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Question: If your thread includes both LEGO-related and non-LEGO-related comics, would it still stay in the Comics Forum?Yes. As long as the main focus is that the comics are Bionicle related. Majhost sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper Jo Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Nope. Bonesii is. Oh.Right.Well, I feel stupid now. bionicle is trans culture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P~M Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Nope. Bonesii is. Anyways, I trust ziko. EDIT: Someone wrote a review on BZP on alexa.com This is what it said:My son joined this web site some time ago, and starting publishing some comics, if I remember correctly, in order to showcase his creative efforts. He was subsequently put down by other members and told to leave the site for his not yet up-to-par ability in making his comics. When we addressed the staff about it, they informed us that it is only normal and that my son should deal with the criticism, even though it clearly states in the rules for comics that only constructive criticism is allowed. None of the other members who commented on his comics posted constructively and were ultimately destructive in their comments. My son was really hurt by the comments they made. The staff does very poor service to help the community deal with issues that they find on the site, case in point above. The community is dysfunctional because the members are not supportive of each other and are in fact quite offensive. I do not want to have another experience dealing with this site. LinkWow. I'm surprised that people would do that, especially on BZP, but I think what surprises me more is the fact that the staff responded that way. I'm disappointed. -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observance Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I want to see the criticism. Constructive criticism does not equal nice criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narglepuff the Protector Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Nope. Bonesii is. Anyways, I trust ziko. EDIT: Someone wrote a review on BZP on alexa.com This is what it said:My son joined this web site some time ago, and starting publishing some comics, if I remember correctly, in order to showcase his creative efforts. He was subsequently put down by other members and told to leave the site for his not yet up-to-par ability in making his comics. When we addressed the staff about it, they informed us that it is only normal and that my son should deal with the criticism, even though it clearly states in the rules for comics that only constructive criticism is allowed. None of the other members who commented on his comics posted constructively and were ultimately destructive in their comments. My son was really hurt by the comments they made. The staff does very poor service to help the community deal with issues that they find on the site, case in point above. The community is dysfunctional because the members are not supportive of each other and are in fact quite offensive. I do not want to have another experience dealing with this site. LinkWow. I'm surprised that people would do that, especially on BZP, but I think what surprises me more is the fact that the staff responded that way. I'm disappointed. -- I've seen it happen before. I was part of an MAS once, and our first reviews weren't exactly what you'd call constructive. Yeah, they weren't the best comics I had ever seen, but we didn't deserve the feedback that we got. Sprite Kit Archive For all of your comic-making needs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Six Posted October 16, 2011 Share Posted October 16, 2011 Let's stay on topic people. If you are having issues with criticism, report it to the staff. If you're not satisfied with the reaction, you can contact me. Whoever posted that feedback never contacted the Administration for us to address the situation. Bio of a BZP Admin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garda Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Would I be able to post just one or two comics.. Just for pure critism.. I'd just like to see what people think I could do to improve them? Of course there wouldn't be much discussion, considering it's just two comics. But it wouldn't be a series.Just wanna see what people think I can do to improve. Guess who's back? (>^.^)> It's Magic. ~(._.~) Not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lime Paradox Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Would I be able to post just one or two comics.. Just for pure critism.. I'd just like to see what people think I could do to improve them? Of course there wouldn't be much discussion, considering it's just two comics. But it wouldn't be a series.Just wanna see what people think I can do to improve.Not ever topic has to be an ongoing series - I've seen plenty of topics for single comics, as well as series that have been abandoned almost immediately. So yeah, there shouldn't be a problem with you doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~kh Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Is it possible for me to get multiple posts when I start a topic? Just for organization's sake, really, but it would be immensely helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taciturn Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I remember there being Comic Help Topics in Shops&Kits (why in that forum I'll never know). I think it might be helpful to bring it back. Tutorials and questions could be posted there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iPenguin Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Is it possible for me to get multiple posts when I start a topic? Just for organization's sake, really, but it would be immensely helpful.Yes. I think you should contact the FA. I think it's Janus. Majhost sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pohuaki Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Is it possible for me to get multiple posts when I start a topic? Just for organization's sake, really, but it would be immensely helpful.If it's a board issue, you'll have to ask Janus. The auto post merge made it difficult on the old BZP, and I usually ended up having someone make multiple topics that I could merge together; a bit of a nuisance, but easier than splicing posts into the middle (or beginning) of a topic later. Otherwise, you could probably just start with a few posts worth of new material, make use of the double post exception, and edit things later. I remember there being Comic Help Topics in Shops&Kits (why in that forum I'll never know). I think it might be helpful to bring it back. Tutorials and questions could be posted there.The help topics still belong there, so check with bonesiii. The forum was originally intended for art related things that we didn't want posts to count for - it also had photo reference topics, and there was some debate over whether to include kits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Windrider- Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) Breaking news!I have received word from Janus that as of November 20th, 2011, there is no longer a revival limit in Comics.The justification for this is that comics are usually ongoing stories, just as those in the Library are.(Okay so this is like November 28th, and eight days later, but hey, the subject really hasn't come up until now.)Edit: Ziko has updated the first post! Thanks, man. Edited November 29, 2011 by -Windrider- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Invictus Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 Many comic makers are now cheering. Like me, because I don't have a comic to provide in 2 days before it would've died.Whooooooo Up, down, turn around, please don't let me hit the ground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iPenguin Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 I forsee many bad things in the futureBut also many good things.Hooray! I'm liking this Janus guy already. Majhost sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tavakai Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 YESYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSince I'm beginning to focus my attention on my non-Bionicle, non-BZP comics that I just started, I've been aware that I'd have to eventually cut off my BZP comics since I wouldn't be able to keep the topic going too. This way, I can still drop in every now and then with a comic after I'm focusing the bulk of my time elsewhere.Anyway, this is a really good sign that even though he's definitely not as awesome as Pohuaki, Janus is still a pretty cool person to have running this place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P~M Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 (edited) Well, that would have been useful 5 days ago... :PThank goodness. Why didn't someone think of that before?Oh, and I think maybe only the OP should be able to revive it (or in the case of a MAS, any of the authors).-- Edited November 30, 2011 by Piraka~Mistika Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~kh Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Well, that would have been useful 5 days ago... :PThank goodness. Why didn't someone think of that before?Oh, and I think maybe only the OP should be able to revive it (or in the case of a MAS, any of the authors).-- Actually, what Windrider means is that topics in the Comics forum can no longer die. There is no revival limit anymore, meaning you or anyone else can post in your topic (that I presumed died, or at least, would have died 5 days ago) and still not have it closed.Anyhow, I'm very glad to see that this was put in place; it'll really help with making better comics and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P~M Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Well, that would have been useful 5 days ago... :PThank goodness. Why didn't someone think of that before?Oh, and I think maybe only the OP should be able to revive it (or in the case of a MAS, any of the authors).-- Actually, what Windrider means is that topics in the Comics forum can no longer die. There is no revival limit anymore, meaning you or anyone else can post in your topic (that I presumed died, or at least, would have died 5 days ago) and still not have it closed.Anyhow, I'm very glad to see that this was put in place; it'll really help with making better comics and so on.Almost. :DAnyway, I agree with you completely, I just thought that allowing anyone to post after 20 days would have created an opportunity for spam.-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Windrider- Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Almost. :biggrin:Anyway, I agree with you completely, I just thought that allowing anyone to post after 20 days would have created an opportunity for spam.While it may not be fair to compare Comics to, say, Epics, I think this revival rule will work in just about the same way it does in the Library. And it does work there. Janus may see it differently, though, and may revise the rule at any time to say only authors can revive topics.Now, what I see might happen is not spam, but having old works brought to the attention of the front page again, much to the authors' chagrin. This has happened to me before. Back in the day, I wrote some short stories. They weren't terrible, but I certainly wanted to forget about them, only to find someone posted in one or two a few years later. I'm just thankful it didn't happen to my comedies. Now those were terrible. :PSo what I might recommend for authors is that, if your series or project is completed, and you would like for the topic to rest peacefully while you start a new saga, just request for it to be closed. This isn't a rule; it's just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziko Posted December 1, 2011 Author Share Posted December 1, 2011 (edited) Anyway, I agree with you completely, I just thought that allowing anyone to post after 20 days would have created an opportunity for spam.This was actually one of the possible rules brought up when Artwork III was first created. One reason for having a limit rather than that was "that deleting other revival posts would have to be done by [Pohuaki], but forum assistants can open and close topics" (from here). The way reports are handled now, deleting posts could be done by other mods more easily, I suppose, but it's up to Janus.Also I think Wind's last suggestion there is great, and it would be nice if people did that if they're done with a topic.Edit:: Windrider has posted a new, updated rules topic here where you can read over and ask questions about the Comics forum's rules. As such, this topic will now be closed. Edited December 5, 2011 by Ziko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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