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#7041 Offline Master Inika

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Posted Feb 17 2013 - 08:21 PM

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I assumed that the artificial memories were an effect of the spell, and that a cutie mark can't change naturally. Plus, since the Mane Six in "Cutie Mark Chronicles" all got theirs while doing something they enjoy, it can be assumed that a pony's special talent is something they like. It seems like a special talent is something a character is predestined to do, and, in any case, ponies seem to take more pride in fulfilling their destiny than any sort of free will (kind of like the Matoran).


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Posted Feb 17 2013 - 09:41 PM

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It was indeed a somewhat surreal part of the episode. I wouldn't know where to begin explaining it.
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While Rarity's cutie mark is a trio of gems, its meaning as expressed as early as The Cutie Mark Chronicles is that Rarity's destiny was to make things beautiful. Whether that means dresses in particular is perhaps open to interpretation, but having the ponies switch roles, not just destinies, helped to simplify things for the sake of the narrative.
I assumed that the artificial memories were an effect of the spell, and that a cutie mark can't change naturally. Plus, since the Mane Six in "Cutie Mark Chronicles" all got theirs while doing something they enjoy, it can be assumed that a pony's special talent is something they like. It seems like a special talent is something a character is predestined to do, and, in any case, ponies seem to take more pride in fulfilling their destiny than any sort of free will (kind of like the Matoran).
Yep, that's the implication I got as well. Though really, isn't that about how we think of destiny in real life? That doing what you're "meant to do" is, while perhaps not always fun, the most fulfilling thing you can ever achieve?Of course, in our world, this is usually just a consequence of people not deciding something is their destiny until they feel that sense of fulfillment, but in a universe like that of BIONICLE or MLP:FiM, where destiny is a very real thing rather tahn just an abstract concept, it could easily be understood to work the other way around without implying any lack of free will among the characters involved.

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Posted Feb 19 2013 - 07:52 PM

If you take the first letter out of the first eight words in Life in Equestria, it spells "lies lies."I think that's enough proof Twilight is in a changeling pod.
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Posted Feb 19 2013 - 10:20 PM

If you take the first letter out of the first eight words in Life in Equestria, it spells "lies lies."I think that's enough proof Twilight is in a changeling pod.
And if you do the same for "Morning in Ponyville" you get "mips mips"! Clearly Twilight just got back from our world, where she was enrolled at the Maharana Institute of Professional Studies in Kanpur! Star Swirl's spell didn't mess things up; Pinkie Pie just broke the fourth wall one too many times and all Tartarus broke loose.

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Posted Feb 19 2013 - 10:22 PM

Theory time: The whole scenario with Twilight becoming an alicorn was not explained much further than "Twilight creating new magic". What if, rather than referring to the writing of the spell, it referred to what the spell did? Perhaps the spell effectively "created" the high level of magic which would be needed for Twilight to become an alicorn? After all, creating new spells has to be something that has been done many times. Unless alternately, perhaps the writing of new spells is normally only something that can be done by alicorns, and unicorns can only perform existing spells; in this case, the spell becomes a much more logical test for Twilight's readiness; if she couldn't fix the spell, then it would effectively prove that she did not have the level of ability for the transformation to be completed.


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Posted Feb 20 2013 - 12:09 AM

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Aanchir: Rachira of Time" data-cid="505969" data-time="1361330456"><p><blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Rarity" data-cid="505867"><p>If you take the first letter out of the first eight words in <em class='bbc'>Life in Equestria</em>, it spells "lies lies."<br />I think that's enough proof Twilight is in a changeling pod.</p></blockquote>And if you do the same for "Morning in Ponyville" you get "mips mips"! Clearly Twilight just got back from our world, where she was enrolled at the Maharana Institute of Professional Studies in Kanpur! Star Swirl's spell didn't mess things up; Pinkie Pie just broke the fourth wall one too many times and all Tartarus broke loose.</p></blockquote>My goodness. This goes deeper than I thought.XD so any guesses on when S4 starts?
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Posted Feb 20 2013 - 09:58 PM

Theory time: The whole scenario with Twilight becoming an alicorn was not explained much further than "Twilight creating new magic". What if, rather than referring to the writing of the spell, it referred to what the spell did? Perhaps the spell effectively "created" the high level of magic which would be needed for Twilight to become an alicorn? After all, creating new spells has to be something that has been done many times. Unless alternately, perhaps the writing of new spells is normally only something that can be done by alicorns, and unicorns can only perform existing spells; in this case, the spell becomes a much more logical test for Twilight's readiness; if she couldn't fix the spell, then it would effectively prove that she did not have the level of ability for the transformation to be completed.

I assumed that Celestia used her own magic to transform Twilight, and could have at any time, but was waiting until she was ready. Possibly the same thing happened with Cadence.

 

So what do you guys think of the idea that Celestia and Luna were once normal ponies until some even older alicorn bestowed them with princessness?


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Posted Feb 21 2013 - 09:28 AM

Theory time: The whole scenario with Twilight becoming an alicorn was not explained much further than "Twilight creating new magic". What if, rather than referring to the writing of the spell, it referred to what the spell did? Perhaps the spell effectively "created" the high level of magic which would be needed for Twilight to become an alicorn? After all, creating new spells has to be something that has been done many times. Unless alternately, perhaps the writing of new spells is normally only something that can be done by alicorns, and unicorns can only perform existing spells; in this case, the spell becomes a much more logical test for Twilight's readiness; if she couldn't fix the spell, then it would effectively prove that she did not have the level of ability for the transformation to be completed.

I assumed that Celestia used her own magic to transform Twilight, and could have at any time, but was waiting until she was ready. Possibly the same thing happened with Cadence.

 

So what do you guys think of the idea that Celestia and Luna were once normal ponies until some even older alicorn bestowed them with princessness?

I would greatly prefer to think that (or that they gained princessness without the involvement of existing alicorns), since it neatly eliminates the notion of alicorns being some sort of master race, as well as explaining the lack of alicorns at the time of the first Hearth's Warming. However, based on this latest episode that doesn't seem to be the case. It seems to imply that Twilight is the first unicorn to be granted wings in such a way. Still, I also don't believe that Celestia was solely responsible for Twilight's transformation; it seems to me that Twilight's own actions (specifically, Starswirl's spell) were essential to it in one way or another.Also, only marginally related to that, I was amused upon watching video of the Pony booth at Toy Fair to see that the Hasbro staff there were wearing T-shirts with a picture of Alicorn Twilight reading "This Princess Earned It". A lot of people seem to think that Hasbro's toy division has no desire to reflect the show's values or canon accurately, but that shirt seemed to be yet another piece of evidence that they do in fact "get it". And now I kind of want one of those shirts.


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Posted Feb 21 2013 - 11:40 AM

Theory time: The whole scenario with Twilight becoming an alicorn was not explained much further than "Twilight creating new magic". What if, rather than referring to the writing of the spell, it referred to what the spell did? Perhaps the spell effectively "created" the high level of magic which would be needed for Twilight to become an alicorn? After all, creating new spells has to be something that has been done many times. Unless alternately, perhaps the writing of new spells is normally only something that can be done by alicorns, and unicorns can only perform existing spells; in this case, the spell becomes a much more logical test for Twilight's readiness; if she couldn't fix the spell, then it would effectively prove that she did not have the level of ability for the transformation to be completed.

I assumed that Celestia used her own magic to transform Twilight, and could have at any time, but was waiting until she was ready. Possibly the same thing happened with Cadence. So what do you guys think of the idea that Celestia and Luna were once normal ponies until some even older alicorn bestowed them with princessness?
I would greatly prefer to think that (or that they gained princessness without the involvement of existing alicorns), since it neatly eliminates the notion of alicorns being some sort of master race, as well as explaining the lack of alicorns at the time of the first Hearth's Warming. However, based on this latest episode that doesn't seem to be the case. It seems to imply that Twilight is the first unicorn to be granted wings in such a way. Still, I also don't believe that Celestia was solely responsible for Twilight's transformation; it seems to me that Twilight's own actions (specifically, Starswirl's spell) were essential to it in one way or another.Also, only marginally related to that, I was amused upon watching video of the Pony booth at Toy Fair to see that the Hasbro staff there were wearing T-shirts with a picture of Alicorn Twilight reading "This Princess Earned It". A lot of people seem to think that Hasbro's toy division has no desire to reflect the show's values or canon accurately, but that shirt seemed to be yet another piece of evidence that they do in fact "get it". And now I kind of want one of those shirts.
Another possibility is that Celestia and Luna are immortal and only revealed themselves post-HWE. It's possible then that Twilight and Cadence will have normal lifespans. Either way, factoring Cadence into this is really hard.

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Posted Feb 21 2013 - 09:26 PM

Finally, Celestia had a song. She's got a beautiful voice. The songs in the finale were some of the best in my opinion. Especially the Find a Way song.


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Posted Feb 21 2013 - 10:41 PM

My alicorn theory is they're created by the Elements of Harmony.  Celestia and Luna were the first, and they originally brought order to the world.  They then inherited other responsibilities, and "control" of the elements was passed on to Twilight (and friends).


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Posted Feb 22 2013 - 01:29 PM

Another possibility is that Celestia and Luna are immortal and only revealed themselves post-HWE. It's possible then that Twilight and Cadence will have normal lifespans. Either way, factoring Cadence into this is really hard.

[font="'times new roman', times, serif;"][color=#006400;]That does make a certain sort of sense, but wasn't the entire point of Twilight's mentorship under Celestia to raise an heir to the throne?  Would it really make sense to raise an heir with such a relatively short lifespan?[/color][/font] 

My alicorn theory is they're created by the Elements of Harmony.  Celestia and Luna were the first, and they originally brought order to the world.  They then inherited other responsibilities, and "control" of the elements was passed on to Twilight (and friends).

[font="'times new roman', times, serif;"][color=#006400;]This raises an interesting question: Assuming that Twilight now has Celestia and Luna's lifespan, what will happen when her friends die?  Will control of their elements pass over to Twilight somehow, or will they have to find new bearers for all the elements besides magic?  The series won't expand on this for obvious reasons, but it's interesting to think about.[/color][/font]


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Posted Feb 22 2013 - 10:28 PM

My alicorn theory is they're created by the Elements of Harmony.  Celestia and Luna were the first, and they originally brought order to the world.  They then inherited other responsibilities, and "control" of the elements was passed on to Twilight (and friends).

[font="'times new roman', times, serif;"][color=#006400;]This raises an interesting question: Assuming that Twilight now has Celestia and Luna's lifespan, what will happen when her friends die?  Will control of their elements pass over to Twilight somehow, or will they have to find new bearers for all the elements besides magic?  The series won't expand on this for obvious reasons, but it's interesting to think about.[/color][/font]

I don't think it's necessarily the same situation each time.  Twilight probably won't get Celestia and luna's lifespans, since those two were charged with maintaining the day/night cycle.


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Posted Feb 24 2013 - 09:57 PM

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1: Any opinions on the Pop Culture Collab?

 

2: I'm making an Amnesia Pinkie Pie toy, and any tips would be useful.


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Posted Feb 25 2013 - 02:22 PM

You guys hear about the Vegas con? Crazy stuff.
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Posted Feb 25 2013 - 10:05 PM

You guys hear about the Vegas con? Crazy stuff.

No. What happened?


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Posted Feb 25 2013 - 10:17 PM

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="The Phoenix" data-cid="508421" data-time="1361847927"><p><blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Rarity" data-cid="508132" data-time="1361820168"><p>You guys hear about the Vegas con? Crazy stuff.</p></blockquote>No. What happened?</p></blockquote>The voice actors got kicked out of their hotel rooms, and the last of the con was cancelled.They(everfree I think) didn't have enough money to pay for the con, which is why the hotel kicked them, and they had to auction stuff, and take donations. I heard someone took off with the money which is why they didn't have enough.
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Posted Feb 26 2013 - 07:58 AM

As far as I know, the con organizers (not EFR) miscalculated their funds and did not have enough money to pay for the hotel rooms of special guests like the voice actors and some musicians. Apparently the organizers got cold feet and left the sinking ship, so EFR, EQD and a lot of other Brony media groups took the wheel and raised 7,000 $ in a matter of hours to keep the con going for the last day.


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Posted Mar 01 2013 - 06:34 PM

So on a less tragic con-related note, anyone going to Cloudsdale Congress? I've decided I'm going, particularly since I'll likely miss Bronycon (sucks that the year it moves reasonably close to my hometown in Virginia it also coincides with Brickfair).
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Posted Mar 02 2013 - 10:35 PM

Anyone going to nightmare nights con?Faust joined Mane 6 and new EqG image. Thoughts?
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Posted Mar 04 2013 - 10:19 PM

:) I may be going to Sweet Apple Acres Con. Has anyone here been?


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Posted Mar 08 2013 - 12:09 PM

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[color=#008000;]Yeah I would love to go to a con, but I don't have the money to do so.[/color]


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Posted Mar 08 2013 - 04:42 PM

I don't really care for any convention that isn't a Star Wars Celebration, San Diego Comic Con, or LEGO-related at this point in time, so I don't think I'll seek any out in this catagory.
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Posted Mar 09 2013 - 01:41 AM

[color=#008000;]Not sure if you guys found out yet, but I am sure you know that Fighting Is Magic was stopped by Hasbro, however what you may not know is that Lauren Faust is now a part of Mane6 and writing characters for them to make in their new game (the game is non-MLP, but hey it has Faust on it so it is definitely worth looking at.[/color]

 

[color=#008000;]I also heard that Lauren Faust is also helping out with Equestria Girls, but I am not 100% sure on this one.[/color]


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Posted Mar 15 2013 - 09:32 AM

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Posted Mar 21 2013 - 09:02 PM

Ponies: the Anthology 3 has been announced.

What's that?


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Posted Mar 25 2013 - 10:39 PM

[color=#008000;]Here is an interesting part of the plot that does not seem to be common knowledge yet, but I could be wrong, regarding Cadance and her being an alicorn.[/color]

 

[color=#008000;]It turns out that in one of the novels...[/color]

 

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Posted Mar 25 2013 - 10:45 PM

[color=#008000;]Here is an interesting part of the plot that does not seem to be common knowledge yet, but I could be wrong, regarding Cadance and her being an alicorn.[/color]

 

[color=#008000;]It turns out that in one of the novels...[/color]

 

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*Epic inhale* WWWhhhaaattt??? :alert:


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Posted Mar 26 2013 - 02:46 PM

[color=#008000;]It turns out that in one of the novels...[/color]

Back it up right there. I wasn't even aware they were producing novels of any sort.Googling so far brings up something about an official guide book, but nothing beyond that.

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Posted Mar 26 2013 - 03:15 PM

[color=#008000;]It turns out that in one of the novels...[/color]

Back it up right there. I wasn't even aware they were producing novels of any sort.Googling so far brings up something about an official guide book, but nothing beyond that.

It's called "The Crystal Heart Spell" and should be released sometime around early April, if that helps.


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Posted Mar 26 2013 - 06:02 PM

[color=#008000;]It turns out that in one of the novels...[/color]

Back it up right there. I wasn't even aware they were producing novels of any sort.Googling so far brings up something about an official guide book, but nothing beyond that.

It's called "The Crystal Heart Spell" and should be released sometime around early April, if that helps.

Ah.Wait, if the book's contents are already known, did Europe get first dibs on things again?

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Posted Mar 28 2013 - 11:12 PM

Hay

 

Hay gaiz.

 

What if the Mane 6 were Power Rangers?

 

They'd make it to the Elements of Harmony as usual, but discover that the elements are really morphers. Fluttershy is the Yellow Ranger, Rainbow Dash is the Blue Ranger, Pinkie Pie is the Pink Ranger, Applejack is the Red Ranger, (cuz apples), Rarity is the Black Ranger, (cuz irony), and Twilight Sparkle is the Green Ranger. (Cuz shut up.)

 

So they morph, and start kicking Nightmare Moon's butt, until Nightmare Moon eats a mushroom or something, I don't know, and gets really big, proceeding to wreck up the place. They summon their Zords, Rabbit Zord for Fluttershy, Turtle Zord for Rainbow Dash, Alligator Zord for Pinkie Pie, Dog Zord for Applejack, Cat Zord for Rarity, and Dragon Zord for Twilight.

 

The Zords provide some serious firepower somehow, but still aren't enough, so they combine to form the Harmony Megazord, which uses it's Friendship Cannons (both of it's arms are guns) to easily blast away Nightmare Moon's evil, returning her back to being Luna. Rest of the episode proceeds as usual.

 

I'm just saying.

 

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Posted Mar 29 2013 - 03:13 PM

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Posted Mar 29 2013 - 05:27 PM

[color=#483D8B;][font="tahoma;"](Rainbow Dash is best pony)[/color][/font]

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twilight is best pony

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Posted Mar 29 2013 - 05:31 PM

1.5 years later and I still hold my position that Rainbow Dash is, indeed, best pony
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Posted Mar 29 2013 - 05:36 PM

1.5 years later and I still hold my position that Rainbow Dash is, indeed, best pony

Blasphemy! *loses monocle and shakes fist vividly*


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Posted Mar 29 2013 - 06:37 PM

I personally like Derpy best, but all ponies are love worthy.

 

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Posted Mar 29 2013 - 07:57 PM

I think Rarity&SweetieBelle is best pony.
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Posted Mar 29 2013 - 11:38 PM

My favourite pony is still Twilight Sparkle.

 

Got two new blind bags today. :)

 

Minuette (aka Colgate) and Cherry Spices.

 

Two Twi molds. :P

 

also, Cherry Spices' colour scheme is VERY similar to that of Babs Seed.


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Posted Mar 30 2013 - 08:19 PM

So... Double Rainboom is airing right now.Kinda sucks so far.
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