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If ever there was another Bionicle movie made that featured a Toa/Matoran of Air, how would you guys re-imagine the Le-Matoran dialect? I watched all three movies and I liked Lewa’s wispy, fluid, almost Irish way of talking in MoL. I would like to have seen them really lean into that Irish brogue. I think it works well with their elemental attribute.

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Well, I would say that the Air people would be cheerful in tone.

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i would avoid changing the actual words (cuz' i think it's fine, lol!) but the way the Toa/Tohunga ov Air (i prefer Tohunga over Matoran) actually say the words, whether as one or two/three word phrases or full sentences! i agree with the "cheerful" thing, but i would add "lively" or "boisterous" or even "sharp" and "witty"! lol i don't know! i always wanted to try and speak tree-speak during conversations with my family or whoever just to confuse them! :P 

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21 hours ago, TheZOMBIEJ said:

i would avoid changing the actual words (cuz' i think it's fine, lol!) but the way the Toa/Tohunga ov Air (i prefer Tohunga over Matoran) actually say the words, whether as one or two/three word phrases or full sentences! i agree with the "cheerful" thing, but i would add "lively" or "boisterous" or even "sharp" and "witty"! lol i don't know! i always wanted to try and speak tree-speak during conversations with my family or whoever just to confuse them! :P 

I always pictured Ta-Matoran having much more of an acerbic wit. Le-Matoran would probably be witty, but I think they'd have a more...poetic(?) diction.


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1 minute ago, Matoro11 said:

I always pictured Ta-Matoran having much more of an acerbic wit. Le-Matoran would probably be witty, but I think they'd have a more...poetic(?) diction.

ehh... poetic sounds right, too, i guess! as for Ta-Tohunga (again, i prefer that term instead ov Matoran) i'd say they'd sound "hot-headed" (lol, if that's a thing) or "rustic" or maybe "arrogant" (more ov an insult than anything else! lol)! i don't know! lol 

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2 hours ago, TheZOMBIEJ said:

ehh... poetic sounds right, too, i guess! as for Ta-Tohunga (again, i prefer that term instead ov Matoran) i'd say they'd sound "hot-headed" (lol, if that's a thing) or "rustic" or maybe "arrogant" (more ov an insult than anything else! lol)! i don't know! lol 

That works. I feel like they’d probably be kind of harsh. Like a little bit prone to offend people.


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24 minutes ago, Matoro11 said:

That works. I feel like they’d probably be kind of harsh. Like a little bit prone to offend people.

ha ha! yeah! now, in terms ov "dialect" (or the way they talk), for me the Ga-Tohunga would sound "peaceful", "calm", "stable", maybe "shy" sounding (for a few) or for some ov the Ga-Tohunga a little on the "tsundere" (Japanese term, look it up!) side! lol 

oh, and Ko-Tohunga would sound "cold" (pun intended, lol), "low", a bit "attitude-y", maybe a little "arrogant" as well, or even "ticked off" sounding! lol this is actually kinda fun screwing with Tohunga dialect! :P 

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1 hour ago, TheZOMBIEJ said:

ha ha! yeah! now, in terms ov "dialect" (or the way they talk), for me the Ga-Tohunga would sound "peaceful", "calm", "stable", maybe "shy" sounding (for a few) or for some ov the Ga-Tohunga a little on the "tsundere" (Japanese term, look it up!) side! lol 

oh, and Ko-Tohunga would sound "cold" (pun intended, lol), "low", a bit "attitude-y", maybe a little "arrogant" as well, or even "ticked off" sounding! lol this is actually kinda fun screwing with Tohunga dialect! :P 

Right?

I think the Ga-Matoran would have an academic air to them. Like a Brahmin, an upper class, educated accent. They use a lot of complex words and say things in very prim-and-proper ways. 

The Po-Matoran would be loud and boisterous like Pohatu in MoL. 
 

Onu-Matoran would be the quiet antisocial ones.


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On 7/30/2020 at 9:13 PM, TheZOMBIEJ said:

(i prefer Tohunga over Matoran)

It's been 19 years, time to accept that they're called Matoran.

Since we're talking more broadly about Matoran accents in general, here's how I'd do it:

Ta: British military

Ga: not sure exactly. Something serene, but that's just falling back on their hyperfeminine characterization that hasn't aged the best. Remember Marka is a Ga-Matoran

Po: Middle Eastern trader

Ko: British intellectual

Le: I actually liked Lewa's leprechaun treespeak in MoL. I'd leave it as is. It's actually quite similar to biblical Hebrew (grammatically loose, implied words) 

Onu: Cockney dock worker


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17 hours ago, Matoro11 said:

Right?

I think the Ga-Matoran would have an academic air to them. Like a Brahmin, an upper class, educated accent. They use a lot of complex words and say things in very prim-and-proper ways. 

The Po-Matoran would be loud and boisterous like Pohatu in MoL. 
 

Onu-Matoran would be the quiet antisocial ones.

well, i still think some Ga-Matoran would have a "tsundere" side to them, or any female character in the MU! Gavla could be a "tsundere", ya never know! lol 

Po-Matoran, for me, would sound "brash", "chill" (lol), maybe a little "drunk" sounding, or even better, they'd sound like a stereotypical "surfer dude", you know with the whole "yeah, dude, what's up, dude, wanna go surfin', dude?", lol! that's just my take on it! :) 

as for the Onu-Matoran, i'd wager their accent would sound along the lines ov "disgruntled", "slurred speech" which is a characteristic ov sounding ""drunk"), a bit "brash" as well, or maybe they'd have a bit ov a "Senegalese" accent as part to how they speak (like St. Louis, Missouri R&B/Hip-Hop musician, Akon)! i don't know! lol 

15 hours ago, Master Inika said:

It's been 19 years, time to accept that they're called Matoran. 

sure, no problem! :) 

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55 minutes ago, TheZOMBIEJ said:

well, i still think some Ga-Matoran would have a "tsundere" side to them, or any female character in the MU! Gavla could be a "tsundere", ya never know! lol 

Po-Matoran, for me, would sound "brash", "chill" (lol), maybe a little "drunk" sounding, or even better, they'd sound like a stereotypical "surfer dude", you know with the whole "yeah, dude, what's up, dude, wanna go surfin', dude?", lol! that's just my take on it! :) 

as for the Onu-Matoran, i'd wager their accent would sound along the lines ov "disgruntled", "slurred speech" which is a characteristic ov sounding ""drunk"), a bit "brash" as well, or maybe they'd have a bit ov a "Senegalese" accent as part to how they speak (like St. Louis, Missouri R&B/Hip-Hop musician, Akon)! i don't know! lol 

sure, no problem! :) 

I like the idea of introverted Ga-Matoran. The movies really played up the feminine grace and warmth, but I think that’s a good thing. Leave the spunk and attitude to Lightning or Psionics.


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3 minutes ago, Matoro11 said:

I like the idea of introverted Ga-Matoran. The movies really played up the feminine grace and warmth, but I think that’s a good thing. Leave the spunk and attitude to Lightning or Psionics.

yeah? what do you think ov my ideas ov accents for the Po-Matoran and Onu-Matoran? i the "surfer dude" and "Senegalese" ideas are weird but cool at the same time! :) 

also, for me, the Matoran ov lightning (if there are any) would have a bit ov an "electric", "energetic", "hyper", or even "smart-aleck" side to them! lol 

and psionics would be "deep", "turbulent", "sly", or if there are any female psionics Toa/Matoran, they may have a bit ov a "yandere" (Japanese term, look it up!) side to them, or even "kuudere" (again, Japanese term, look it up!)! i don't know! i might be weird with the three Japanese terms i mentioned (tsundere, yandere, kuudere), but they could be used to describe some (or even many) female characters in the MU! whether it be Toa, Matoran, Turaga, Dark Hunter, Makuta (species), whatever! lol 

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16 minutes ago, TheZOMBIEJ said:

yeah? what do you think ov my ideas ov accents for the Po-Matoran and Onu-Matoran? i the "surfer dude" and "Senegalese" ideas are weird but cool at the same time! :) 

also, for me, the Matoran ov lightning (if there are any) would have a bit ov an "electric", "energetic", "hyper", or even "smart-aleck" side to them! lol 

and psionics would be "deep", "turbulent", "sly", or if there are any female psionics Toa/Matoran, they may have a bit ov a "yandere" (Japanese term, look it up!) side to them, or even "kuudere" (again, Japanese term, look it up!)! i don't know! i might be weird with the three Japanese terms i mentioned (tsundere, yandere, kuudere), but they could be used to describe some (or even many) female characters in the MU! whether it be Toa, Matoran, Turaga, Dark Hunter, Makuta (species), whatever! lol 

I like the SoCal surfer accent for Po-Matoran, but I think they’d just be loud. I don’t know about slurred speech. To me it seems like Onu-Matoran would be really quiet. 
 

I like the idea of Lightning Matoran being high-energy. But I think they’d also be volatile, and have a propensity to “crack” or “snap.” 
 

Psionics Matoran would either be calm and good counselors or really strong-willed.


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13 minutes ago, Matoro11 said:

I like the SoCal surfer accent for Po-Matoran, but I think they’d just be loud. I don’t know about slurred speech. To me it seems like Onu-Matoran would be really quiet. 
 

I like the idea of Lightning Matoran being high-energy. But I think they’d also be volatile, and have a propensity to “crack” or “snap.” 
 

Psionics Matoran would either be calm and good counselors or really strong-willed.

makes sense! lol 

how about gravity? i'd wager "unstable", "stutter-y", maybe "panic-y", tendency to "swear/cuss", or perhaps a bit "toxic" in both speech and behavior! you've known some "toxic" people in your life, right? so it would make sense to label Matoran/Toa ov gravity as that as well as the other terms i mentioned! :) 

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1 hour ago, TheZOMBIEJ said:

makes sense! lol 

how about gravity? i'd wager "unstable", "stutter-y", maybe "panic-y", tendency to "swear/cuss", or perhaps a bit "toxic" in both speech and behavior! you've known some "toxic" people in your life, right? so it would make sense to label Matoran/Toa ov gravity as that as well as the other terms i mentioned! :) 

Gravity Matoran are totally down-to-earth. Plain-spoken, humble, worldly. They like to keep things simple.


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40 minutes ago, Matoro11 said:

Gravity Matoran are totally down-to-earth. Plain-spoken, humble, worldly. They like to keep things simple.

ah, darn it! oh well! :D 

how about Bo-Matoran? Toa Imrukii has quite a head-canon for these guys, but i say the Bo-Matoran could sound "anxious", "closed-minded", "annoyed", some may even have a "Russian" sounding accent, or even a mix between "Ukrainian" and "Polish" accents! i don't know! lol 

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17 hours ago, TheZOMBIEJ said:

ah, darn it! oh well! :D 

how about Bo-Matoran? Toa Imrukii has quite a head-canon for these guys, but i say the Bo-Matoran could sound "anxious", "closed-minded", "annoyed", some may even have a "Russian" sounding accent, or even a mix between "Ukrainian" and "Polish" accents! i don't know! lol 

Naw. I’m kind of a die-hard on the Canadian voice actors. But I’d imagine Bo-Matoran having more of a “backwoods” vibe. Or even something from sub-Saharan Africa. Cameroon/Ethiopia/Nigeria. Bo-Matoran don’t speak. They listen. Like Le-Matoran, only quieter.


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54 minutes ago, Matoro11 said:

Naw. I’m kind of a die-hard on the Canadian voice actors. But I’d imagine Bo-Matoran having more of a “backwoods” vibe. Or even something from sub-Saharan Africa. Cameroon/Ethiopia/Nigeria. Bo-Matoran don’t speak. They listen. Like Le-Matoran, only quieter.

interesting... 

how about Fa-Matoran? let's see; i'd wager them sounding "happy", "cheerful", "Christmas carol-y" (cuz' ov their name "Fa" so it makes sense cuz' "fa la la la laa la laa laa laaaaa", lol), maybe with traces ov "Vietnamese" or "Taiwanese" accenting in their speech! 

ooh, and Fe-Matoran would probably sound "impaired", "down-syndrome-y", borderline "kissing up to the boss" attitude, and let's give them a trace ov "Italian" or "French" accenting in their speech! 

ya agree with any ov this? lol 

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20 hours ago, TheZOMBIEJ said:

interesting... 

how about Fa-Matoran? let's see; i'd wager them sounding "happy", "cheerful", "Christmas carol-y" (cuz' ov their name "Fa" so it makes sense cuz' "fa la la la laa la laa laa laaaaa", lol), maybe with traces ov "Vietnamese" or "Taiwanese" accenting in their speech! 

ooh, and Fe-Matoran would probably sound "impaired", "down-syndrome-y", borderline "kissing up to the boss" attitude, and let's give them a trace ov "Italian" or "French" accenting in their speech! 

ya agree with any ov this? lol 

Magnetism Matoran would naturally have a magnetic personality. They’d be very charismatic and well-spoken, but also sympathetic and maybe even a little charming. Since they like to hang out around magnetic poles, they’d probably have New Zealander or even Nordic accents. 
 

Iron Matoran are facetious and gritty. They have a sharp wit and can be seen as the “bad boys” or societal rebels. They often make dirty jokes and can even be disrespectful or aggressive. Since they hang around in mountains and other areas rich in iron, they’d have an Appalachian or Rocky Mountain accent, with a lower-class working man’s accent. They’d all sound like the old prospector, or the blacksmith.

 

(If you’re trying to guess what I’m thinking, look up the tribes on BS01. Think about where they live and what they do, and what are some adjectives you can apply to (element) and people :smilewinkgrin:)


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1 hour ago, Matoro11 said:

Magnetism Matoran would naturally have a magnetic personality. They’d be very charismatic and well-spoken, but also sympathetic and maybe even a little charming. Since they like to hang out around magnetic poles, they’d probably have New Zealander or even Nordic accents. 
 

Iron Matoran are facetious and gritty. They have a sharp wit and can be seen as the “bad boys” or societal rebels. They often make dirty jokes and can even be disrespectful or aggressive. Since they hang around in mountains and other areas rich in iron, they’d have an Appalachian or Rocky Mountain accent, with a lower-class working man’s accent. They’d all sound like the old prospector, or the blacksmith.

 

(If you’re trying to guess what I’m thinking, look up the tribes on BS01. Think about where they live and what they do, and what are some adjectives you can apply to (element) and people :smilewinkgrin:)

well, how about Ca-Matoran? to me they'd sound "fruitful", "disrespectful", partially "disturbing", and let's give them traces ov "Chinese" or "Thai" accenting in their speech! 

Av-Matoran, being Matoran ov light, would sound somewhat "heroic", "political", "well-spoken", and they'd have traces ov "British" or "Australian", as well as a bit ov "Malaysian" to their speech! 

and the Kra-Matoran (oh God, help us!), being Matoran ov shadow, would sound "evil" (ov course), "devilish", "hateful", "demonic", and have traces ov "German", "Austrian", or maybe "Czech" accenting in their speech! 

do these please you, Matoro11? :D 

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Re-watching "Mask of Light", the Irish-tinged accent to Lewa's tree-speak is a little ridiculous. Lewa was a brash, more punk kind of Toa. Whereas Kopaka would be aloof and solitary due to his constantly-working intellect and caution, Lewa often went solo because he assumed he could handle anything that came his way, an impetuous youth who thinks he has figured out the world. For him personally, I would like to hear a bit of disdain or sarcasm in his voice and mannerisms, including treespeak. As for the Le-Matoran population at large, I imagine they would definitely speak with a more carefree, friendly tone. Sort of like "surfer speak", but omitting the terms and slang that tie it to the west coast of the USA.


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5 hours ago, TheZOMBIEJ said:

well, how about Ca-Matoran? to me they'd sound "fruitful", "disrespectful", partially "disturbing", and let's give them traces ov "Chinese" or "Thai" accenting in their speech! 

Av-Matoran, being Matoran ov light, would sound somewhat "heroic", "political", "well-spoken", and they'd have traces ov "British" or "Australian", as well as a bit ov "Malaysian" to their speech! 

and the Kra-Matoran (oh God, help us!), being Matoran ov shadow, would sound "evil" (ov course), "devilish", "hateful", "demonic", and have traces ov "German", "Austrian", or maybe "Czech" accenting in their speech! 

do these please you, Matoro11? :D 

Are you talking about Ce-Matoran? I think we covered Ce-Matoran.

I like your interpretation of Av-Matoran, but I think I’d add an air of humility and perhaps a genuine goodness, because they’re about as good as good guys come. They’d probably have something resembling an Anglo-American accent, like they all went to Juilliard.

Kra-Matoran would be slick, but deep-throated, resonant baritones. Some might also have high-pitched, maniacal voices. I like the Germanic accents. 


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4 hours ago, Bionicle Guru said:

Re-watching "Mask of Light", the Irish-tinged accent to Lewa's tree-speak is a little ridiculous. Lewa was a brash, more punk kind of Toa. Whereas Kopaka would be aloof and solitary due to his constantly-working intellect and caution, Lewa often went solo because he assumed he could handle anything that came his way, an impetuous youth who thinks he has figured out the world. For him personally, I would like to hear a bit of disdain or sarcasm in his voice and mannerisms, including treespeak. As for the Le-Matoran population at large, I imagine they would definitely speak with a more carefree, friendly tone. Sort of like "surfer speak", but omitting the terms and slang that tie it to the west coast of the USA.

I think your quarrel is with the personality not with the accent. The Irish can be as brash and acid-tongued as anyone. I know it’s kind of gimmicky, but I love it.


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22 minutes ago, Matoro11 said:

Are you talking about Ce-Matoran? I think we covered Ce-Matoran.

I like your interpretation of Av-Matoran, but I think I’d add an air of humility and perhaps a genuine goodness, because they’re about as good as good guys come. They’d probably have something resembling an Anglo-American accent, like they all went to Juilliard.

Kra-Matoran would be slick, but deep-throated, resonant baritones. Some might also have high-pitched, maniacal voices. I like the Germanic accents. 

well alright, then! :D 

what about Matoran ov The Green? this should be easy; they'd sound "flat", "shaken", "echo-y", "confused", and let's give them traces ov "Ugandan", "Turkish", "Syrian", or even "Indian" (from the country, not "Native American", although that could work, too!) accent in their speech! 

dang, we running out ov Matoran to screw with their dialect/accent! did we miss any? lol 

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1 hour ago, TheZOMBIEJ said:

well alright, then! :D 

what about Matoran ov The Green? this should be easy; they'd sound "flat", "shaken", "echo-y", "confused", and let's give them traces ov "Ugandan", "Turkish", "Syrian", or even "Indian" (from the country, not "Native American", although that could work, too!) accent in their speech! 

dang, we running out ov Matoran to screw with their dialect/accent! did we miss any? lol 

We covered Plantlife too. Backwoods. West African. 
 

we didn’t get Sonics.


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On 8/2/2020 at 4:39 PM, TheZOMBIEJ said:

ooh, and Fe-Matoran would probably sound "impaired", "down-syndrome-y", borderline "kissing up to the boss" attitude, and let's give them a trace ov "Italian" or "French" accenting in their speech! 

While I'm all for fans expanding Matoran society, I'm sorry, but I don't think this one is in good taste. I think the last thing the Matoran Universe needs is arbitrary stereotypes assigned according to color of armor. Yes, I do think Matoran can suffer from 'impairment', but assigning it as a racial trait can't lead anywhere good. 

That being said, I do think the collective personality traits found in each elemental grouping would indeed have a significant impact on how the group of Matoran end up speaking, many of which you all touched upon in previous discussion. I think this gets at a good overall world building question of how language and society can potentially play off of one another. I like to think treespeak reflects the quick but not always focused with of the Le-populace. 

I enjoyed the more freestyle-like treespeak we saw on Mata Nui (Hapaka books). "Mystery-king of know-nothingness" is a phrase thats' stuck with me. I feel like we see more concise, perhaps more formulaic terms when we move to Metru Nui/Greg, like "ever-" or "quick-" used as common emphatic prefixes. Then again, that seems to fit with the environment - treespeak is a wilder dialect that combines a wider range of terms for a more wild environment, and chutespeak is more structured, like a city. Then again, it's been a while since I've read the books, and I'm happy to accept counter-examples. To answer the original question, I would expand on the difference between chutespeak and treespeak. 

Another question: Metru Nui didn't always have chutes. Any idea what Chutespeak was called before that? Or did it come about only after the invention of chutes? 


 

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