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Posted Jun 21 2011 - 10:51 PM

[NOTICE: This topic is out of date, though the rules themselves are mostly still correct. I'm working on updating it, plus fixing the format due to a recent glitch. For now, here is the list of current official topics:

 

Official Greg Compendium

Official Red Star Guide

Official Velika Guide

[Planning an elements guide, stay tuned!]

 

Expanded Multiverse Discussion Topic

Official Expanded Multiverse Reference Topic

Story Submission Topic

 

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Welcome to the new one-stop topic for S&T Rules, GregF & Story Squad links, Official Topics List, Contest History, and more. :)

 

The Storyline and Theories forum is where all discussion of the Bionicle storyline belongs, and where evidence-based theories about the storyline go. Also allowed here are question topics about the story.

 

Contents:

S&T Rules & Policies

GregF & Story Squad Links

Official Topics Stuff

Useful Story Resources

Contest History


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Posted Jun 22 2011 - 01:15 AM

Storyline and Theories Rules1. Obey all general BZPower rules, as found in the Reference Desk.2. No flaming. This essentially means insulting people. Before you submit your post, ask yourself if you have let slip an insult, and edit it out. And in general, calm down and remember this is all about entertainment. Chill and stuff. :) Note: Posting in all caps is considered yelling which can be seen as flaming, so is also not allowed.3. No trolling. This is a murky issue that basically means being stubbornly antagonistic or hostile -- failing to be cordial and polite even while disagreeing, for example -- without actually clearly flaming. This sparks others to flame, making them look like the culprit when really the troller is. In other words, to quote the main BZPower rules, it is "trying to force someone into an argument".Note: Please do not confuse trolling with disagreement. This is a discussion site and so we do want you to speak your mind, but to do so politely and remember that we are a community. :) By the same token, please do not act offended if someone expressed disagreement with you, and do not claim that they have no right to do so.4. No spam. Posts must add to the discussion's subject. Stay on topic, and avoid "repetition & agreement spam", which basically means posting the same thing others have already posted or just quoting them and saying "I agree".(Note: Some topics ask for individual opinions on a subjective subject, and simple agreement posts in those are not necessarily spam. But in for example a topic asking for a canon answer to a storyline question, they would be spam. Many members seem to have trouble judging the difference -- basically, if there is a single objective answer that can't be logically debated, there's no need to add agreement.)5. No confusing titles. The title must tell everybody what the topic is about -- any that don't should be edited by staff to clarify things. Note: Along the same lines, do not use the uncanon term "Bionicle(s)" in titles (to refer to characters/sets); we have had flamewars about this issue in the past, and the final answer is that the term does not canonically work to describe the characters or sets, as "Bionicle" the franchise name means "biological (or biomechanical) chronicle". Overuse of this term encourages the spread of the misconception that it was intended by LEGO as a "species name" or that the franchise name on a set canister/box is meant to label the set and character itself, and others get fed up with running into the misconception, etc. This rule clears up the misconception right off the bat, right here, thus avoiding these problems. The term is okay to use in posts informally, however, and can make sense if you think of it like "icicle" as a noncanon nickname. Flaming others for their choice whether or not to like the term will not be tolerated. Also, the similar term "Bionical(s)" for "biomechanical being(s)" can make canonical sense, and is not banned at all, nor are other similar fan-made terms or nicknames.6. No topic revival past 30 days since the latest post. Exceptions include the official serials topics, and certain other topics such as Bionicle Story Squad topics. 7. Do not make "dupe" topics, which means a topic about the same specific subject as an existing active topic (meaning a topic that hasn't "died" by going past the revival limit). Before posting a new topic you should skim the current topic titles in S&T and if you find one about what you wanted to talk about, simply post in it. 8. Do not post your topic more than once. If you get a Mail error, or "Page cannot be displayed" when posting a topic, do NOT click "Back." Close the window, and bring BZP up in a new one, so that you can get back to this forum, and check to see if your topic really did go through. Most times it has.Note: The exception to both of the above rules is if the previous topic (either by you or someone else) has died, but you think there is still room for discussion. In such cases you may repost the old topic, but please include a note about it as you do.9. No offensive/inappropriate language or content, and no controversial subjects such as religion/origins/politics. Note: Occasional comparisons of official Bionicle storyline aspects to controversial real-world subjects may be acceptable if they are done very carefully, but are best avoided because they tend to get out of line too, and Bionicle isn't the real world anyways. (But comments about such subjects posted only for their own sakes will be removed; find other sites to discuss them.) Above all, remember this is a family-friendly site.10. If you have any questions or concerns about these rules, please PM me and I'll try to answer in a timely fashion. :)Allowed Topics * Theories on the official storyline, based on evidence. (See "theory definition" section below for more.) * Questions about the official storyline (usually answered and closed). * Comments/observations/praise/criticisms about the storyline. * Asking for "like or dislike" opinions/reactions about story-only subjects.Prohibited Topics * No speculation topics. (See "theory definition" section below for more.) * No coincidence topics, such as "Makuta reminds me of the LOST Smoke Monster! Discuss!". * No "little mistakes" topics, such as about comic artwork flubs (although there's a gray line here with criticism topics). * No "post-it-here" topics, which means a topic trying to act like an official "only post about this subject here" topic, or a topic providing no content and asking repliers to make the content. * No "what-if" topics; such as "what would have happened if Takua didn't become the Toa of Light"; we know canonically that thousands of different alternate timelines could have branched from such a change, and in fact did -- there's no legitimate way to pin down one as the only alternative per se.Theory DefinitionS&T uses a very precise set of definitions of words related to theories, which are often confused for varying definitions in common parlance and jargon, so this little guide will clearly define them to avoid future confusion. There isn't a lot of new canon story anymore, but there is some, and there are still various unanswered questions about old story we can still theorize about. By the way, these are essentially the definitions used in proper science and in standard English in general, with the exception that "speculation" is usually more informal than we use it here."Theory" -- This IS allowed. A theory is an idea that hopes to predict future story revelations, based on "evidence." You may post topics about your story theories, or post similar related theories to someone else's in their topic for sake of conversation there. Note: Theories may be disproven sometimes and closed; this doesn't mean that you broke any rules by posting it, but merely that once it's disproven, there is nothing left to discuss. So such topics are treated like question topics and closed because they are answered, more or less."Evidence" -- This means some canon fact that is already known, which could be used to support a theory, but does NOT absolutely prove it to definately be true. Evidence can be interpreted in many different ways based on your "presuppositions" or starting assumptions, and often what will seem like good evidence for one theory to one member will to another member seem the exact opposite. Please do not be surprised or alarmed at this -- it's normal. And please remember not to tear down others for having a theory you disagree with; rather try to congratulate them for being creative and thinking, even as you disagree, because we want as much story discussion as we can get. :)"Proof" -- This refers to things that are known absolutely to be true, with no room for logical debate against them, in the canon storyline. A lot of members get confused about this, thinking that a theory is illegitimate if it isn't proven, but that would miss the point of theories to begin with. Theories are NOT proven. Also, we do not use the term "proof" to refer to evidence for theories; novices using that term have caused some problems, so I wanna clear that up right now; it would imply more about your theory than you can truly claim, which can rile people's tempers. In other words, if an idea is proven, it's already canon fact and there's no need, generally, to make a topic about it.As a rule, you should treat even your own theories with granules of salt, and not invest yourself emotionally in "demanding" it must be true. Just see your theories as one possibility, and be prepared for the strong possibility, no matter how good your evidence, that it isn't the case. Note: You should be very careful when assuming something is proven. Very often people claim something is a fact when it is actually only strongly inferred or implied. Greg is famous for his expert ability to use exact careful wording to steer us away from the truth, so that when it is revealed we get the maximum "hey that's a cool shocking twist" value. Any statement anywhere in the story or from Greg that does not emphatically state what is true might not actaully be quite or fully true. Also, we've had a lot of problems in the past with people illogically taking the word of villain characters in the story as the same as true canon facts, even though those villains are liars or at best willing to twist the truth. For example, Makuta's statements about who and what he is in the Mata Nui Online Game or the movie Mask of Light were useful evidence in terms of establishing his psychology, but were never meant to be taken as canon truth. It's also possible for good guy characters to simply be wrong about things due to ignorance, or in the case of the Turaga's original legends, even lie in a sense (for what they believed was a good reason). Keep in mind that good guys are still flawed characters, not "Gary Stus/Mary Sues"."Speculation" -- This is NOT allowed as topic startpost content. Speculation is exactly the same as theories in one way -- it's cool story ideas that often could very well turn out to be true. We do not wish to put a damper on the imagination -- quite the opposite. But speculation is very different in an important way -- it has no evidence; it's just something that "MIGHT" be true.There IS, however, a gray area where speculation can be okay in replies to a theory; in response to one person's theory about a well-known mystery, you could simply say "I tend to feel this other idea is the answer, though I don't really have good evidence, so I applaud your evidenced-theory." And such an aside comment can even be okay in a topic's startpost content, as long as your main theory is not dependent on it (for example, a brief comment speculating on how your basic theory could be expanded on in the story). Also, of course, non-canon storyline ideas are greatly encouraged to be turned into fan fiction stories and posted in BZPower's Library forum divisions. :)NOTE: A similar system to this is used for canon suggestion proposals sent to the Bionicle Story Squad. These are not meant to actually be theories, but generally we require evidence -- we do NOT require proof that the suggestions MUST be true (or else they wouldn't really be suggestions but mere observations) -- and we generally turn down proposals that don't have any valid evidence at all. But there is an important distinction here because at some point the best proposals are usually voted on by the public to decide if they are popular enough to enter the canon, whereas if a theory turns out to be true that usually happens without the public's input. (Although sometimes good theories can be turned into acceptable proposals.) See the BSS post below for more.Spoiler PolicyFor new Web Serial chapters, please use the spoiler tag for two days after BZP announces the new chapter on the front page. Before we do, don't post serial spoilers at all. This applies across all of BZPower, including sigs, blogs, etc. and applies especially to character deaths and other major storyline events. Other sources of Bionicle story have been discontinued, but you may read the entire old policy here, which would still apply if future Bionicle story content is ever produced.Official Topics PolicyAs of the latest BZPower forum upgrade and archiving of all old BZP topics, the only official topics are for ongoing story serials. Other past official topics are still archived and may be read for reference's sake, but if you wish to have discussions about their subjects of interest, please start new unofficial topics, or continue in any existing ones others have already made on your specific subject.The new policy details are:1) Most discussion about ongoing story serials belongs in the corresponding official topic, such as general review-style feedback about new chapters and commenting on new revelations.2) The official serials topics are revivable.3) If your subject for discussion overlaps two official Serials topics, it may be posted as its own topic (no need for permission).4) Theory topics with evidence may be posted as new topics (even if they are about serials subjects, as really most theories now must be since all new story is from serials). However, theories may also be discussed in the official topics, if you prefer.5) You may also link such separate theory and overlap topics in the corresponding official topic. NOTE: Prior to the upgrade and archiving we had modified the old official topic system to turn the other topics besides serial ones into revivable guide topics. However, with scant exception they received no attention anyways. We may change the policy in the future again to reclaim some of that abandoned territory or make new official topics, but for now let's just try out this simplified system, which would seem fitting to the far simplified range of new Bionicle story coming out (and that rarely now).

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Posted Jun 22 2011 - 12:04 PM

[The following is out of date as the Story Squad is no longer in effect, and Greg only answers questions on the LEGO.com message board topic now.]

 

GregF & Story Squad LinksGreg FarshteyThe Bionicle fanbase is lucky to have the writer of the Bionicle comics, most of the books, and head of the official Bionicle story team, as a member here on BZPower. NOTICE: Currently there is an ongoing question of a matter of a new LEGO policy that forbids personal communication between LEGO employees and children under 13 years of age. Due to the difficulty of knowing actual ages and confusion over whether public communication is banned as well (i.e. forums vs. PMs), we are still trying to work out the details with LEGO. Until that time, the latest word from Greg was that he could accept PMed story questions from members that he knows are old enough, including staff, but cannot answer PMs from other members. We hope to have a better solution eventually. Also, remember that you may find answers to most story questions already on BIONICLEsector01. :)Click this link to send a personal message to Greg:GregFPrior to the archiving, we had two official topics for posting quotes of Greg's answers to your PMs, and to discuss those quotes. Due to the ongoig LEGO policy confusion we have not yet remade these, but you can find the old ones here (including links to even older previous versions inside these links). [Old] Greg Quotes Topic | [Old] Greg Discussion TopicBionicle Story SquadGreg asks that you do not send him requests for your ideas to add to and improve the canon. Instead, he has sanctioned a special team to handle that workload for him. All such proposals should be PMed to one of the following members (links go to PM sending pages for each member):Night TerrorRiisiing MoonBioran23Wrinkledlion XErebusElectric TurahkbonesiiiBrickthingShadow KurahkDorekTiliusAfter receiving canonization proposals, we check them against the existing canon to filter out those that don't work. Proposals we find acceptable are polled among the BZP fanbase, or ask-for-opinion topics for them are posted here in S&T as warranted, and of course Greg has the final say yea/nay on all proposals.Announcements from the squad and questions/discussion about the squad belong here (note that this is NOT where proposals go):Story Squad Discussion Topic [Has yet to be remade.]


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Posted Jun 22 2011 - 02:59 PM

Official Topics StuffCurrent Official Topics ListThe only current official topics are for the ongoing story serials. For basic review-style and reaction discussion of these serials, post in the appropriate topic on this list:Official Sahmad's Tale TopicOfficial The Yesterday Quest TopicOfficial The Powers That Be TopicFormer Official TopicsPrior to the board update and archiving of all past topics, we had a vast collection of official topics, most with a detailed factlist for reference. A number had been deofficialized prior to that time but were kept linked-to so people could still find the factlists. Both lists may be found here:[Past] Official Topics and Guides List[Previously de-officialized] Former OTs ListAll S&T official topics are hosted by a special shared account, used by specially approved members of the S&T Fact Team. In the case of a host becoming unable to keep their factlists up to date, they can then simply hand over the reigns to a different FT member. As such, non-FTers should not ask to host official topics; however, you may PM me with suggestions for new official topics. For the moment, we are not going to remake the old official guide topics. That may change if needed in the future; we'll see. Also, hopefully we will have something like the Official Greg Quotes and Discussion topics again once the details of the new LEGO policy are figured out.

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Posted Jun 22 2011 - 06:05 PM

Useful Story ResourcesBesides the above resources, there are several other places you can go to find information, images, and the like about the Bionicle story. The following are the top recommended such places:BIONICLEsector01 WikiWith in-depth references pages on a plethora of Bionicle storyline subjects, editable by all site members and checked carefully by a diligent staff, this is the top resource for Bionicle story on the internet.BZP Bionicle Reference CenterSeveral introductory guides to Bionicle's storyline, sets, a Bionicle timeline, and more, designed to complement BS01's in-depth look with summaries and links to BS01 pages. Also features the Expanded Multiverse Fanon Collection topic, which is populated primarily through contests here in S&T.KanohiJournal.comThe largest and most popular Bionicle English electronic magazine. Their contests are advertised in pinned S&T topics, and they have some other projects of note, such as the recently begun KANOHI.novus. They are also affiliated with The Chronicler German magazine, and a number of other affiliates.Bionicle.comThe official Bionicle website. The Mata Nui Saga (voice by Michael Dorn), downloads, games, and shop, all in one place. :)BIONICLEstory.comThe official website focusing exclusively on the Bionicle storyline. After the end of the main storyline and the sets, this is the main place the story is continued through, with updated story serials. There are also reference pages and more.BZP Bionicle Sets DatabaseObviously, this is more about the sets than the story, but it does include a fair amount of storyline bios and other information about each set character and other sets.EDIT: fishers64 recently compiled a list of Greg answers to major questions and misconceptions about recent story (I post this in Jan. 2012), which is a good place to start: What Greg Farshtey Has To Say About Recent Storyline.

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Posted Jun 22 2011 - 06:07 PM

Contest HistoryThere are three main kinds of contests in S&T:S&T denotes official Storyline and Theories contests, which often add something to the story canon with Greg's permission.KJ/TC denotes contests advertised in pinned S&T topics, run by the KanohiJournal, usually in tandem with The Chronicler (previously called IDBM; the Unofficial German Bionicle Magazine).EM denotes noncanon Expanded Multiverse contests (previously called EU; Expanded Universe), with the theme of contributing to a "fanon" collection of characters, items, and more that are freely available for any fan to use in your own fanfics, roleplaying, games, whatever.Voting for all three of these contest series previously occured in the Story Voting forum; it will now belong in voting forums on the new forum as needed.Also:GF denotes special contests run by Greg Farshtey himself, also often to add something to the story canon.Italics denotes an archive forum link, thus an automatic logout. Non-italics and bolded links go to this forum and will not log you out.S&T Contest #1: Treespeak in Metru Nui? Name It! | Grand Final Poll | Results TopicGF Contest #1: Bohrok in the Maze of Shadows Game | Results TopicS&T Contest #2: A Thousand Years Untold | Leftover Judging | Voting Schedule | Results TopicGF Contest #2: Great Beings Contest | Winners & Answers PostGF Contest #3: The Next Chronicler | Results TopicGF Contest #4: Toa Mahri Masks | News Article with ResultsGF Contest #5: Bionicle Trivia ContestS&T Contest #3: What If? | Final Poll | Results TopicS&T Contest #4 / EM#1: Xian Weapons! | Results Topic | BRC Fanon Collection TopicS&T Contest #5: Bionicle Time Capsule | Results Topic | BRC Topic (coming soon)EM Contest #2: Name the Expanded Multiverse! | Results Topic | BRC Fanon Collection TopicEM Contest #3: Denizens | Results TopicEM Contest #3.5 / Bones Blog Contest #7: Multiverse Guide Art! | Results EntryIDBM Contest #3: Desert Birdwatching | Results TopicEM Contest #4: Tyrants | Results TopicKJ Contest #3: Call of the Wild | Results Topic (for both #3 & #4)S&T Contest #6: A Thousand Years Untold 2 | ResultsEM Contest #5: Vehicles! | ResultsKJ/TC Contest #4: Nikila Artwork | Results Topic (for both #3 & #4)KJ/TC Contest #5: Lesovikk's Hiatus (Probably will now never be finished)EM Contest #6: Wildlife | Results TopicGF Contest #6: Name that GB | Who It Isn't (Might now never be revealed)EM Contest #7: Shard Moons [original topic; this contest will be restarted since the archiving]EM Contest #7 RESTARTED: Shard MoonsS&T Contest #7: Memoirs of the Dead

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Posted Feb 11 2012 - 10:38 AM

key_to_nongu_th.pngClick thumbnail to see award fullsizeThis is the list of winners of the [color=#A05200;]bonesiii Gold Key to Nongu Award[/color]. It has been moved from my blog (prone-to-disappearing) sidebar (thanks to fishers64 for putting together the corrected code after I messed it up lol).[color=#FF0000;]NOMINATE A THEORY HERE![/color]Congrats to you many members who won. The theories weren't always right, but the members used thought to try to unravel the secrets of Bionicle (amidst the incredibly complex backdrop of Bionicle factoids, even a very-wrong theory can display incredible thought and research put into it). [color=#0000ff;]Normal links open to the old forum and will log you out;[/color] [color=#008000;]green links go to the new forum[/color].Makuta 2 -- 2008 Villain?by: TakunaThe Puzzle Comes Togetherby: Toa of KennThe Second Makutaby: Axinian the ChroniclerThe Return Of The Toa Nuvaby: AdventurerStaff Of Artahkaby: Great Being #1The Truth Of Karzahni's Visionby: Bioran23Mata Nui's Awakening And The End Of A Storyby: AdventurerThe Toa Nuva's New Armorby: BionusThe Four Horseman Theoryby: Dirk2008 Location(s) Theoriesby: -Keoni-Surface Dwellers?by: TransairionThe Soul-Beaker Hypothesisby: SPIRITHow Kanohi Masks Of Power Work...by: Takuma NuvaWhy The Makuta Have Adaptive Weaponsby: Takua the WandererThe Mutagen Gets Revealed.... And You Might Be Surprisedby: Toa of KennThe Science Behind The Rahi Virusesby: SPIRITThe Brotherhood's Master Planby: Bioran23Why The Makuta Mistika Are Weakerby: Danska: Shadow MasterThe Big Pictureby: PlanetpersonHow The Matoran Universe Works – A Theoretical Guideby: Nuhrii the MetruanColor And Heatby: Baron Von NebulaAs For Who I Amby: PaleoOrigin Of The Makutaby: Primis[color=#008000;]The Ackar Theorum Of Elemental Powers[/color]by: tent163phantoka[color=#008000;]Those Bothersome Blade Burrowers - A Theory[/color]by: fishers64[color=#008000;]On Making A Toa[/color]by: Chuck the Toa of crazyness[color=#008000;]Theory: Purpose of Antidermis?[/color]by: Podu[color=#008000;]A Minor Theory about Toa Seals and the Nuva Cube[/color]by: XyzTheDay!

 

 

[color=#008000;]Conjecture on Matoran (Language) Morphology[/color]by: QuestionMark

 

[color=#008000;]Protodermis[/color]by: Dual Matrix

 

A Slice of Matoran Etymology by: Tolkien


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Posted Sep 21 2012 - 12:09 AM

NOTE: The new rule for spoiler tags is as follows (will be updated in the main posts above later), since it seems we may be getting more tidbits from Greg. :)If a spoiler from Greg is reported to news, round up to that day's midnight EST and add two days. Spoiler tags are needed until then. Counting the day of the news report as day one, then, day four is when they are no longer needed.If a spoiler isn't reported I will announce when spoiler tags are no longer needed in the announcement topic. I will try to announce anyways just to avoid confusion if they're reported too, at least for now.Spoiler tags are coded as such:
[spoiler]TEXT HERE[/spoiler]
The third button from the left also opens a dropdown that includes spoilers (although I've run into some screen-stretching glitches with this, so just typing is easier).A tip that can help is if you quote someone who used the tags, move the start tag to the beginning of your post (before the quote tag) and the end spoiler tag to the end (after the endquote and your comments), so readers of your post will only need to click one tag to open. Another tip is to make sure you type the tags before you type your comment so you don't forget to add them later (even I forget sometimes :P).

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