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#1 Offline Dralcax

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Posted Jun 15 2012 - 10:09 AM

In WoS, the Rahaga had propellers on their backs, and I heard somewhere that movie images are more canon. However, in all other media, the Rahaga have Rhotuka. Which is canon?
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Posted Jun 15 2012 - 10:23 AM

I was never sure which were canon, but in the movies the hordika were also able to fly by using their Rhotuka. I always interpretted loosely as being that Rhotuka can be used for flight. Not really sure of the exact nature.
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Posted Jun 15 2012 - 10:36 AM

BioSector01 doesn't appear to have much mention of the ability to fly using Rhotuka. I'd guess that such abilites were more the result of artistic license in the movie than anything else.~B~
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Posted Jun 15 2012 - 10:37 AM

I'm pretty sure that in other instances than WoS, the Rahaga could fly with their Rhotuka. Like instead of launching them, they spun them as if they were propellers.
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Posted Jun 15 2012 - 11:10 AM

Movie images are not always more canon. A lot of the visual stuff from the movies was artistic license (although the basic appearance of the characters is more canon, in terms of being biomechanical, etc.), while most of the plot is "more canon." What is really most canon however is whatever the story team says.Unfortunately I don't remember what Greg confirmed about this one, just that he did answer it... :shrugs:
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Posted Jun 15 2012 - 11:32 AM

Oh no! Bones doesn't have the answer!Anyway, I'm pretty sure that it's been confirmed you can fly with Rhotuka. That was a sort of major plot point in the movie, and I seem to remember that the Rahaga were confirmed to use their rhotuka to fly. Or maybe they didn't fly at all, and that was all just artistic license...
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Posted Jun 15 2012 - 01:02 PM

Trivia section of BS01 page for the Rahaga:

In Web of Shadows, the Rahaga have the ability to fly using helicopter-like rotors mounted on their back, though in the actual storyline they have none. They can, however, use their Rhotuka for flight. The movie designers gave them propellers to allow flight, per creative license. The same reason explains why each had a retractable headlight.


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Posted Jun 15 2012 - 02:11 PM

In the comic adaptation, they were swinging around on webs instead of flying, so maybe they can't fly at all.
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Posted Jun 15 2012 - 04:06 PM

I always just assumed that the Spinners can be used to fly...
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Posted Jun 15 2012 - 04:40 PM

On the sets, and I'm assuming in canon, they were only weapons, but I'm assuming artistic license took over that for the films.
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Posted Jun 15 2012 - 05:12 PM

Movie images are not always more canon. A lot of the visual stuff from the movies was artistic license (although the basic appearance of the characters is more canon, in terms of being biomechanical, etc.), while most of the plot is "more canon." What is really most canon however is whatever the story team says.Unfortunately I don't remember what Greg confirmed about this one, just that he did answer it... :shrugs:

Challenge accepted.

Sets come first. That means things like the Rahaga flying on helicopter blades are not canon, because there is nothing like that on the set.

That's the first one I find, from October 2006.

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Posted Jun 15 2012 - 06:27 PM

I believe that they can only launch their Rhotuka in the storyline, not the movie. I think that the Rhotuka are more canon, but it is possible that the Rahaga can spin their Rhotuka and not launch them, essentially creating a propeller.
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Posted Jun 16 2012 - 11:02 AM

In the book verson, they and the toa could fly by sticking their tools in a launched rotuka, allowing it to pull them into the air.
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Posted Jun 16 2012 - 04:10 PM

I'm pretty sure that the propellers were an artistic license, and that they caught the Hordika in mid-fall, and jumped from building to building, as the novelization said.
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Posted Jun 17 2012 - 04:01 AM

Two quotes from the Web of Shadows novelization. The first refers to when the Toa Hordika (minus Vakama) are at the Coliseum's center, with a horde of Visorak converging on them.

The Toa shifted as one. Their spinners were no longer aimed at the horde, but rather at the uppermost levels of the Coliseum. At Nokama's signal, they each extended a Toa tool into the whirling field of energy. Merged with the spinners, the tools were held fast. Now wherever they went, the Toa Hordika would be pulled along behind. [...] Nokama, Nuju and Whenua stuck to the plan. With great effort, they climbed up their tools and mounted the spinners. None of them had ever tried anything like this before - actually riding a wheel of energy - and they all knew it was only the electromagnetic field around the wheels that supported them. The instant the spinners weakened, they would fall to their deaths. For now, though, they were proving quite effective at slicing through Visorak webs.

This description seems pretty clear to me. Of course, this isn't exactly what happens in the movie, but I always understood that books and comics came first. And now about the Rahaga. In the movie, we see Norik use his propeller to rescue the other Rahaga. In the book, instead:

The Rahaga followed the direction of the voice to see their missing friend flying toward them on top of his energy spinner.


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Posted Jun 17 2012 - 05:35 AM

Movie images are not always more canon. A lot of the visual stuff from the movies was artistic license (although the basic appearance of the characters is more canon, in terms of being biomechanical, etc.), while most of the plot is "more canon." What is really most canon however is whatever the story team says.Unfortunately I don't remember what Greg confirmed about this one, just that he did answer it... :shrugs:

Challenge accepted.

Sets come first. That means things like the Rahaga flying on helicopter blades are not canon, because there is nothing like that on the set.

That's the first one I find, from October 2006.

Ha. That proves my point about the sets being the official representation, and being more canon than the movies. (Which someone contradicted me on before...)As for the question,

Trivia section of BS01 page for the Rahaga:

In Web of Shadows, the Rahaga have the ability to fly using helicopter-like rotors mounted on their back, though in the actual storyline they have none. They can, however, use their Rhotuka for flight. The movie designers gave them propellers to allow flight, per creative license. The same reason explains why each had a retractable headlight.

I agree with this.

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Posted Jun 17 2012 - 09:54 AM

Movie images are not always more canon. A lot of the visual stuff from the movies was artistic license (although the basic appearance of the characters is more canon, in terms of being biomechanical, etc.), while most of the plot is "more canon." What is really most canon however is whatever the story team says.Unfortunately I don't remember what Greg confirmed about this one, just that he did answer it... :shrugs:

Challenge accepted.

Sets come first. That means things like the Rahaga flying on helicopter blades are not canon, because there is nothing like that on the set.

That's the first one I find, from October 2006.

Ha. That proves my point about the sets being the official representation, and being more canon than the movies. (Which someone contradicted me on before...)As for the question,

Trivia section of BS01 page for the Rahaga:

In Web of Shadows, the Rahaga have the ability to fly using helicopter-like rotors mounted on their back, though in the actual storyline they have none. They can, however, use their Rhotuka for flight. The movie designers gave them propellers to allow flight, per creative license. The same reason explains why each had a retractable headlight.

I agree with this.

What Greg means is that the sets are just representations of the characters in terms of, they're just plastic, they come in pieces that sometimes the characters don't, they don't represent the organic components usually, the heartlight, etc. So they are less official than the movie versions of the sets. But anything the movie shows that the sets don't have like these propellors is not official, because they are not represented in the set. So the set representations of the character are the most official in terms of basic shape, but not all the superficial little details (which is mainly because they're plastic). Does that help? :)

Edited by bonesiii, Jun 17 2012 - 09:55 AM.

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