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#281 Offline Erebus

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Posted Oct 10 2012 - 02:44 AM

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Posted Oct 10 2012 - 03:38 AM

:DFor the record, enough time has passed that we don't need spoiler tags for the previous info, but please do use them for these latest two spoilers in Erebus's post above. :)
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Posted Oct 10 2012 - 03:48 AM

More awesome reveals.
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Posted Oct 10 2012 - 04:22 AM

More Greg reveals?This is most interesting. As in, posting at 5:30 in the morning interesting. Lhikan definitely will be a nice twist to the story.
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Posted Oct 10 2012 - 10:11 AM

Information is pouring in, but I can't help but feel its a sign Greg isn't planning to finish the two serials...
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Posted Oct 10 2012 - 11:23 AM

Man, more new information? So much now!I hope this means that there will be more serial updates, but I guess we can't be sure.
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Posted Oct 10 2012 - 12:42 PM

A particular thing I'm curious about is if the Makuta's transition to antidermis, being unforseen (I think?), impacted their ability to be taken to the Red Star?
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Posted Oct 10 2012 - 01:06 PM

This additional information is nice, but I'm not as excited by the content of it as much as the fact that we've gotten more information just three days after the last bit.
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Posted Oct 10 2012 - 01:25 PM

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Posted Oct 10 2012 - 01:38 PM

Do we know if Greg intends to finish the serials? Because, if not, I hope that he allows bonesiii to finish it for him. These revelations are nice, but actual chapters would be better. (Not saying I don't want the revelations...)Let's Keep Bionicle Alive,Lewa Krom
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Posted Oct 10 2012 - 02:20 PM

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Posted Oct 10 2012 - 02:40 PM

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Do we know if Greg intends to finish the serials? Because, if not, I hope that he allows bonesiii to finish it for him. These revelations are nice, but actual chapters would be better. (Not saying I don't want the revelations...)Let's Keep Bionicle Alive,Lewa Krom

To the first question, we don't know. And no. Just no. :wince:Vastly different writing styles there...aside from the time and information problems involved. Nothing will replace a chapter from GregF IMO...except a chapter from GregF. :)Just my opinion though...no insult meant to bonesiii.

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Posted Oct 10 2012 - 04:18 PM

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A particular thing I'm curious about is if the Makuta's transition to antidermis, being unforseen (I think?), impacted their ability to be taken to the Red Star?

There was no transition to antidermis; they were always antidermis. It was a transition to a gaseous state. See here:http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php/AntidermisAnywho, that transition might have affected things, not sure. Here's what it says about how to kill Makuta:

Antidermis can be destroyed by intense heat, such as Plasma or concentrated Fire, and can also crystallize if exposed to extremely low temperatures for an extended period of time; such crystallization will kill the Makuta. A free-floating Makuta can keep themselves together through will for short periods of time; however, after about two weeks of exposure, they will dissipate and die.

In the case of burning or dissipation, clearly this means they can't be taken, but the question is if they could before. The first sentence here may imply that yes, their original solid forms could be destroyed by intense heat (but probably not by dissipation?? :shrugs:).Also, not sure the crystallization thing has ever actually happened or how that would affect things.

Do we know if Greg intends to finish the serials? Because, if not, I hope that he allows bonesiii to finish it for him. These revelations are nice, but actual chapters would be better. (Not saying I don't want the revelations...)Let's Keep Bionicle Alive,Lewa Krom

*is flattered*But yeah, that would be pretty weird. :PNo offense taken, fishers. ^_^ If it was going to be continued by fans, realistically there would be a more open, Story-Squad-poll-like process to decide who, almost certainly, mainly because Greg cannot read fan fiction so he couldn't determine who is close enough to his style and the like. Possibly even an open contest, if we didn't mind being given all the details up front (as we're being given many anyways).

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Posted Oct 10 2012 - 11:31 PM

Cool to hear something else from Greg. :)

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Posted Oct 11 2012 - 02:58 AM

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Posted Oct 11 2012 - 12:21 PM

This is all very exciting news.
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Posted Oct 11 2012 - 01:27 PM

Let's hope the spoiler tags work for me this time cuz' I hate it when they don't work and Bonesiii has to fix them (thanks bro).
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Posted Oct 12 2012 - 03:12 PM

In regards to the 10/7 reveal (which I'm pretty sure we don't need spoiler tags for), dosen't that make Marendar kind of well, a moot idea? Since one of the Red Star 's many functions is to turn matoran(destined?) who are outside the M.U. into Toa, and Marendar's purpose is to kill all Toa (good or not) who are on Spherus Magna, this seems like a rather strange idea, because it seems to me that the Red Star would give Marendar a near endless supply of Toa to kill. But, who knows? maybe the G.B.'s did that on purpose to let Marendar have some fun http://www.bzpower.c...tyle_emoticons/default/tounge2.gif . Or maybe the G.B.'s intended that, to get rid of both species at the same time, making any nessisary "clean-up" easier.
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Posted Oct 12 2012 - 03:22 PM

The whole point of Marendar was to protect the Agori from a Toa threat (that sounds so weird). Once the threat is resolved, Marendar would shut down or something. And I think the Red Star was supposed to shut down once Mata Nui did, rendering revival and Toa creation useless and therefore, halted. My theory at least.

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Posted Oct 12 2012 - 03:23 PM

In regards to the 10/7 reveal (which I'm pretty sure we don't need spoiler tags for), dosen't that make Marendar kind of well, a moot idea? Since one of the Red Star 's many functions is to turn matoran(destined?) who are outside the M.U. into Toa, and Marendar's purpose is to kill all Toa (good or not) who are on Spherus Magna, this seems like a rather strange idea, because it seems to me that the Red Star would give Marendar a near endless supply of Toa to kill. But, who knows? maybe the G.B.'s did that on purpose to let Marendar have some fun http://www.bzpower.c...tyle_emoticons/default/tounge2.gif . Or maybe the G.B.'s intended that, to get rid of both species at the same time, making any nessisary "clean-up" easier.

That's just one planet out of vast numbers of alien worlds he landed on, and of course Aqua Magna after the GC, prior to the Reforming. Plenty of other worlds an Inika-style Toaization could possibly be needed on. (The RS comes with Mata Nui on those voyages.)And the idea was to support any need for the planet to be reformed. Now that that's happened, the original assumption that the MU beings including Toa were basically just technology and should shut down after the Task is done comes into play. Marendar was built with that in mind, as Angonce thinks about in that scene. So if all had gone according to plan, there shouldn't be anymore Matoran to become Toa, or missions for them.

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Posted Oct 12 2012 - 04:01 PM

Maybe when Marendar kills an MU inhabitant, they aren't sent up to the Red Star and are instead permanently killed. Like they aren't sent to the Red Star at all.
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Posted Oct 12 2012 - 07:01 PM

Theory:Given that the timed teleportation thing on the bodies, I'm very close to scrapping the idea that people outside the MU can't be teleported to the RS. They would just have to be in range of whatever teleports the dead beings in question to the star. I think it would be some sort of technological device. :shrugs:Unless there are like some machines in dead beings that activate upon death, but then the teleportation would work regardless of them being inside the MU. And since Tren Krom thought he could be teleported to the Red Star, and he's pretty organic...not exactly. I suppose if the whole thing was an innate quality of protodermis to teleport dead things to the Red Star, that would work as well, but the same rule still applies...if the Matoran take the MU apart and build shelters out of it, then probably the same rule would still apply.A few questions:It occurred to me - how does the technology of the Red Star determine when an inhabitant is inside the MU? Maybe the MU inhabitants can steal the teleporters and build like a zone of safety or something for the Toa? Or is that a bit much to ask?Speaking of which, where are these things? You would think there would be a way to access them in case they malfunctioned...I think they might be something we already know...
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Posted Oct 14 2012 - 01:40 AM

If they were not meant to have a purpose, why put them in the robot meant to save your planet because it fractured into different pieces?Obviously the skakdi had a purpose in the Matoran Universe Robot, whether it has been revealed yet or not. Kanohi most likely are a tracking system for the Red Star to pick up dead bodies. But by that logic, Turaga Lhikan would be dead, as his kanohi was removed and provided to Jaller.
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Posted Oct 14 2012 - 03:40 AM

Spoiler tags no longer needed. :)

If they were not meant to have a purpose, why put them in the robot meant to save your planet because it fractured into different pieces?Obviously the skakdi had a purpose in the Matoran Universe Robot, whether it has been revealed yet or not. Kanohi most likely are a tracking system for the Red Star to pick up dead bodies. But by that logic, Turaga Lhikan would be dead, as his kanohi was removed and provided to Jaller.

I'm a little confused by what you're saying, but if you mean that Kanohi are what the RS can lock onto the body by in order to teleport it up, might this explain why Rahi had masks on? I've always thought it seemed strange the Kraata could just go around infecting masks that just happened to be on so many Rahi species.Maybe the ones with Kanohi were the ones Mata Nui had deemed essential and thus needing revived.The reason your post confused me though is that if Skakdi had a purpose enough to be revived, why wouldn't they wear masks by that thinking? So maybe I misunderstood you. It's possible both are true, though -- that a mask is a lock-on function, but that this isn't necessary but just makes it more efficient. :shrugs:

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Posted Oct 14 2012 - 10:33 AM

After reading this topic (http://www.bzpower.c...?showtopic=7233), somebody has probably brought this up before, but what if the City of Silver Pocket dimension is the Red Star? The RS certainly fits the description of a pocket dimension, and there are Kestora in there.... And, I mean, I think that would be the only reason why Greg would bother introducing the City of Silver, as it just makes things really confusing and raises a whole lot of questions. (What's with the Spectral Hau?)
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