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#1 Offline Makuta Matata

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Posted Dec 09 2012 - 11:23 AM

We all know that Skakdi can have elements such as fire and stone that can be used in conjunction with another Skakdi. But can they only have the six main elements, or can there be Skakdi of psionics or magnetism, for instance? If the answer is no, does that mean that there can theoretically be a Skakdi of light or shadow?


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Posted Dec 09 2012 - 12:04 PM

I, personally, never assumed that Skakdi were restricted to the six primary elements. Not sure if they'd be able to get light or shadow, though--I suppose it would depend on whether Spiriah was skilled and/or knowledgeable enough to program them in.

 

 

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Posted Dec 09 2012 - 12:06 PM

I'm sure there are Skakdi with elemental powers other than the six main elements. BS01 doesn't say anything about it, but I don't see why there wouldn't be.

 

As for there being a Skakdi of Light or Shadow, I'm not sure. I suppose a Skakdi could tap into their dark side, like Roodaka, and wield non-elemental Shadow energy. But if they did this, I don't know if they still would need another Skakdi to use that energy. Same goes with the power of Light.


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Posted Dec 09 2012 - 12:28 PM

I recently read this question on the OGD and Greg said he doesn't see why there wouldn't be Skakdi of the other elements.


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Posted Dec 09 2012 - 12:41 PM

I think it all depends on how skilled Spiriah was with manipulating Elemental Powers. Judging from what happened to the Skakdi and the discussion between Mutran and Chirox about his Rahi in the formers chronicle, I would say that Spiriah is not very skilled. 

 

Also I have a theory. There are a lot more Toa that have the six regular Elements that there are Toa that have the power of Sonics or Magnetism. So maybe the more rare Elements are more hard to create or take more time to create, even possibly for the Great Beings. If Spiriah was just starting out experimenting with Elemental Powers, he would probably start with the more ease ones first.

 

So I think it all boils down to whether or not Spiriah was skilled enough to do other Elements, or had enough time to do them before the Skakdi revolted.


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Posted Dec 09 2012 - 12:42 PM

Skakdi can have any element that a Toa or Matoran can have, with the possible exceptions of Light and Shadow.
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Posted Dec 09 2012 - 02:41 PM

Yes because Spiriah wouldn't most likely create an element equal to his and the element the makuta hates the most.


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Posted Dec 09 2012 - 02:53 PM

I think that the light Skakdi were the first type, as the Av-Matoran.


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Posted Dec 09 2012 - 02:55 PM

I think that the light Skakdi were the first type, as the Av-Matoran.

 

 

Remember the skadi were made by a makuta a being of shadow, why would they want more beings with control over light their most feared element


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Posted Dec 09 2012 - 02:58 PM

That's a good point. I wonder, though, if the Skakdi had elemental affiliations without powers before Spiriah's alterations, as Matoran do.


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Posted Dec 09 2012 - 03:46 PM

But how could a Skakdi of, say Psionics work with a Skakdi of Gravity or something? Don't the powers need to be combined, like what Hakann and Avak did? 


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Posted Dec 09 2012 - 04:01 PM

No, I think it's that the two skakdi have to be near each other to use their individual powers; whether or not they combine them is their decision.
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Posted Dec 09 2012 - 04:18 PM

But how could a Skakdi of, say Psionics work with a Skakdi of Gravity or something?

 

Gravity that psychically affects your mind, I guess.


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Posted Dec 09 2012 - 08:11 PM

 

But how could a Skakdi of, say Psionics work with a Skakdi of Gravity or something?

 

Gravity that psychically affects your mind, I guess.

 

That doesn't make sense, though...


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Posted Dec 09 2012 - 08:16 PM

[color=#808080;][font="verdana, geneva, sans-serif;"] Perhaps they could harness warping gravity to aid in some sort of illusion? (... if that made any sense.)[/color][/font]
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Posted Dec 09 2012 - 09:18 PM

Yes because Spiriah wouldn't most likely create an element equal to his and the element the makuta hates the most.

No element is more powerful than another. Shadow is just as powerful as any other element. My reasoning was that Shadow-aligned Skakdi wouldn't occur naturally, so when Spiriah granted them Elemental Powers, none were given Shadow powers.Of course, this also assumes that Skakdi had a natural Elemental affinity before being altered by Spiriah... thoughts?

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Posted Dec 09 2012 - 09:40 PM

Of course, this also assumes that Skakdi had a natural Elemental affinity before being altered by Spiriah... thoughts?

[font="verdana, geneva, sans-serif;"][color=#808080;]Interesting idea, but I don't think so. He definitely gave them powers, rather than unlocking latent powers. This wouldn't effect it either way, but I also consider the fact that they each had a vision power and another ability, which were non-elemental. As I said, these abilities don't need to be tied to elemental affinity, but I think that it makes more sense for Spiriah to have given them three sets of powers rather than given two and enabled one.[/color][/font]


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Posted Dec 09 2012 - 09:42 PM

I don't think it was ever specified that they only had the 6 main elements. It's plausible that they had others as well. I have to say, a Skakdi of Shadow sounds awesome... but unlikely, given that Spiriah granted them their abilities. I doubt he'd want to have Skakdi with the power of shadow running around. 


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Posted Dec 10 2012 - 03:01 AM

I don't have the quote but this is actually something that I asked Greg about a year ago.  I asked if there were Skakdi of other elements such as lightning and he said yes.  I didn't ask about light and shadow though, but I would assume that there aren't.

I got this from Greg on May 4, 2010.

 

 

 

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Posted Dec 10 2012 - 07:20 AM

 

I think that the light Skakdi were the first type, as the Av-Matoran.

 

 

Remember the skadi were made by a makuta a being of shadow, why would they want more beings with control over light their most feared element

 

 

From Bs01:

Mata Nui created the Skakdi, and they existed as a relatively peaceful race.

http://biosector01.c...ndex.php/Skakdi

 

This explains a lot in my opinion.


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Posted Dec 10 2012 - 07:21 AM

 

 

I think that the light Skakdi were the first type, as the Av-Matoran.

 

 

Remember the skadi were made by a makuta a being of shadow, why would they want more beings with control over light their most feared element

 

 

From Bs01:

Mata Nui created the Skakdi, and they existed as a relatively peaceful race.

http://biosector01.c...ndex.php/Skakdi

 

This explains a lot in my opinion.

 

 

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Posted Dec 10 2012 - 01:58 PM

I reckon ny of the secondary elements could exist within a Skakdi. Although I dought light or shadow would exist; if Spirah gave them the powers then he probably left out those two for reasons stated upove, if he unlocked or enhanced pre-existing abilities then he probably had them killed (for the same reasons, they might be a threat.). As for phonics, I highly dought that any Skakdi would be capable of the mental discipline needed to control this element. As a result of being one short power wise, they probably died off rather quickly.
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Posted Dec 10 2012 - 03:37 PM

[color=#808080;][font="verdana, geneva, sans-serif;"]Some of them certainly had significant mental discipline- for example, Zaktan maintaining control over his dispersed protodites, or Avak creating the perfect prison with his mind. Psionics wouldn't be too difficult, I think, although they'd likely be like an overblown Orde- able to use and control their powers but not always having the desired results... :lol:[/color][/font]
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Posted Dec 10 2012 - 04:18 PM

Yeah, and I think a violent and undiciplined psionics user would mainly use his/her power to spread madness.


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Posted Dec 10 2012 - 06:56 PM

Yeah, and I think a violent and undiciplined psionics user would mainly use his/her power to spread madness.

[font="verdana, geneva, sans-serif;"][color=#808080;]I also suspect we'd witness copious instances of long-distance 'force-punching'. [/color][/font]


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Posted Dec 10 2012 - 07:41 PM

Probably not Light, as no Makuta would ever give someone Light powers.  Definitely not the Legendary elements either.  I'm not sure if Spiriah mutated the Skakdi before or after the Makuta evolution.  If it was after, there are probably no Iron or Magnetism Skakdi as well.

 

In addition, Vezok is proof that elements do not relate to gender with Skakdi (or they have different female elements?)

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Posted Dec 11 2012 - 03:30 AM

Probably not Light, as no Makuta would ever give someone Light powers.  Definitely not the Legendary elements either.  I'm not sure if Spiriah mutated the Skakdi before or after the Makuta evolution.  If it was after, there are probably no Iron or Magnetism Skakdi as well. In addition, Vezok is proof that elements do not relate to gender with Skakdi (or they have different female elements?)For fan-created material, you can use any element.

Legendary elements. If you meen life, time, creation. Those are not elements.Probably right about the no iron or mag Skakdi.Can someone check BS01 timeline on the makuta evolution. I haven't got time right now.

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Posted Dec 11 2012 - 08:33 AM

Spiriah altered the Skakdi sometime between 45000 and 30000 years before the Makuta evolved.


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Posted Dec 11 2012 - 06:20 PM

 

I don't have the quote but this is actually something that I asked Greg about a year ago.  I asked if there were Skakdi of other elements such as lightning and he said yes.  I didn't ask about light and shadow though, but I would assume that there aren't.

I got this from Greg on May 4, 2010.

 

 

 

4) Skakdi can control elements other than the primary 6, like a Skakdi of lightning right?

4) Yes

 

Well, that clears things up a bit. We still don't know how they can use some of those powers in conjunction, though. 


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Posted Dec 11 2012 - 07:13 PM

[font="verdana, geneva, sans-serif;"][color=#808080;]I personally think it'd be neat to come up with possible power combinations. (Probably hard to compile a list or something since there are so many possible combinations.) :lol:[/color][/font]

[font="verdana, geneva, sans-serif;"][color=#808080;]One possible "common" gravity effect, I think, could be creating a warped gravity field around a target, drawing in the other Skakdi's attack- for example, pulling fireballs towards a target. Magnetism and iron... hmm. I'd say, in any case, it really depends on what the two Skakdi trying to accomplish- fix or build something, attack someone (it'd also vary be target, I think), et cetera.[/color][/font]

[font="verdana, geneva, sans-serif;"][color=#808080;]Something like lightning is a little more obvious... I think we'd be seeing basic Inika-style attacks of lightning-infused elemental blasts. Sonics could be similar, actually, and so could plasma.[/color][/font]


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Posted Dec 12 2012 - 04:45 PM

 

Yeah, and I think a violent and undiciplined psionics user would mainly use his/her power to spread madness.

[font="verdana, geneva, sans-serif;"][color=#808080;]I also suspect we'd witness copious instances of long-distance 'force-punching'. [/color][/font]

 

 

That, and Skakdi of Iron combining with Skakdi of Psionics to clock foes with Iron beams. :lol:


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Posted Dec 13 2012 - 09:02 AM

Who are not disciplined not to say that do not have access to any element ...


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