Makuta Matata Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 We all know that Skakdi can have elements such as fire and stone that can be used in conjunction with another Skakdi. But can they only have the six main elements, or can there be Skakdi of psionics or magnetism, for instance? If the answer is no, does that mean that there can theoretically be a Skakdi of light or shadow? Quote Three on Three - Memoirs of the Dead - Winner!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Stranger Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I, personally, never assumed that Skakdi were restricted to the six primary elements. Not sure if they'd be able to get light or shadow, though--I suppose it would depend on whether Spiriah was skilled and/or knowledgeable enough to program them in. "Songs that the Hyades shall sing, / Where flap the tatters of the King, / Must die unheard in / Dim Carcosa." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa Smoke Monster Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 (edited) I'm sure there are Skakdi with elemental powers other than the six main elements. BS01 doesn't say anything about it, but I don't see why there wouldn't be. As for there being a Skakdi of Light or Shadow, I'm not sure. I suppose a Skakdi could tap into their dark side, like Roodaka, and wield non-elemental Shadow energy. But if they did this, I don't know if they still would need another Skakdi to use that energy. Same goes with the power of Light. Edited December 9, 2012 by Toa Smoke Monster Quote Everyone is one choice away from being the bad guy in another person's story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Toa Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I recently read this question on the OGD and Greg said he doesn't see why there wouldn't be Skakdi of the other elements. Quote My BlogLatest Update: RPG: Character Creation and StatsMy Story CollectionStory Currently in Progress:End of Yrenta (Review Topic) (Currently at 55 Chapters)I realize I haven't updated my stories or posted much for quite a while. I will get back it it sometime, and I am still checking the site daily for any interesting topics.Brickshelf Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikiru Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 (edited) I think it all depends on how skilled Spiriah was with manipulating Elemental Powers. Judging from what happened to the Skakdi and the discussion between Mutran and Chirox about his Rahi in the formers chronicle, I would say that Spiriah is not very skilled. Also I have a theory. There are a lot more Toa that have the six regular Elements that there are Toa that have the power of Sonics or Magnetism. So maybe the more rare Elements are more hard to create or take more time to create, even possibly for the Great Beings. If Spiriah was just starting out experimenting with Elemental Powers, he would probably start with the more ease ones first. So I think it all boils down to whether or not Spiriah was skilled enough to do other Elements, or had enough time to do them before the Skakdi revolted. Edited December 9, 2012 by Pikiru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meta-Mind Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Skakdi can have any element that a Toa or Matoran can have, with the possible exceptions of Light and Shadow. Quote BZPRPG TIME, where you could have one post talk about dinner, and the next about lunch. Time is beyond relative here.There's no reason not to put lasers in the palms of planet-sized robots. In fact, if I had my own planet-sized robot, palm lasers would be one of my first upgrades.BZPRPG Profiles [outdated] May or may not be back from a multi-year hiatus. We'll see how this works out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dual Cee Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Yes because Spiriah wouldn't most likely create an element equal to his and the element the makuta hates the most. Quote I'm back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARU 867 Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I think that the light Skakdi were the first type, as the Av-Matoran. Quote PS: sorry for errors, blame the translator. http://www.bzpower.c...?showtopic=418] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dual Cee Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 I think that the light Skakdi were the first type, as the Av-Matoran. Remember the skadi were made by a makuta a being of shadow, why would they want more beings with control over light their most feared element Quote I'm back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Toa Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 That's a good point. I wonder, though, if the Skakdi had elemental affiliations without powers before Spiriah's alterations, as Matoran do. Quote My BlogLatest Update: RPG: Character Creation and StatsMy Story CollectionStory Currently in Progress:End of Yrenta (Review Topic) (Currently at 55 Chapters)I realize I haven't updated my stories or posted much for quite a while. I will get back it it sometime, and I am still checking the site daily for any interesting topics.Brickshelf Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makuta Matata Posted December 9, 2012 Author Share Posted December 9, 2012 But how could a Skakdi of, say Psionics work with a Skakdi of Gravity or something? Don't the powers need to be combined, like what Hakann and Avak did? Quote Three on Three - Memoirs of the Dead - Winner!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constructelf Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 No, I think it's that the two skakdi have to be near each other to use their individual powers; whether or not they combine them is their decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Toa Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 But how could a Skakdi of, say Psionics work with a Skakdi of Gravity or something? Gravity that psychically affects your mind, I guess. Quote My BlogLatest Update: RPG: Character Creation and StatsMy Story CollectionStory Currently in Progress:End of Yrenta (Review Topic) (Currently at 55 Chapters)I realize I haven't updated my stories or posted much for quite a while. I will get back it it sometime, and I am still checking the site daily for any interesting topics.Brickshelf Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makuta Matata Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 But how could a Skakdi of, say Psionics work with a Skakdi of Gravity or something? Gravity that psychically affects your mind, I guess. That doesn't make sense, though... Quote Three on Three - Memoirs of the Dead - Winner!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chro Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Perhaps they could harness warping gravity to aid in some sort of illusion? (... if that made any sense.) Quote save not only their lives but their spirits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meta-Mind Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Yes because Spiriah wouldn't most likely create an element equal to his and the element the makuta hates the most.No element is more powerful than another. Shadow is just as powerful as any other element. My reasoning was that Shadow-aligned Skakdi wouldn't occur naturally, so when Spiriah granted them Elemental Powers, none were given Shadow powers.Of course, this also assumes that Skakdi had a natural Elemental affinity before being altered by Spiriah... thoughts? Quote BZPRPG TIME, where you could have one post talk about dinner, and the next about lunch. Time is beyond relative here.There's no reason not to put lasers in the palms of planet-sized robots. In fact, if I had my own planet-sized robot, palm lasers would be one of my first upgrades.BZPRPG Profiles [outdated] May or may not be back from a multi-year hiatus. We'll see how this works out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chro Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Of course, this also assumes that Skakdi had a natural Elemental affinity before being altered by Spiriah... thoughts?Interesting idea, but I don't think so. He definitely gave them powers, rather than unlocking latent powers. This wouldn't effect it either way, but I also consider the fact that they each had a vision power and another ability, which were non-elemental. As I said, these abilities don't need to be tied to elemental affinity, but I think that it makes more sense for Spiriah to have given them three sets of powers rather than given two and enabled one. Quote save not only their lives but their spirits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toa kopaka4372 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I don't think it was ever specified that they only had the 6 main elements. It's plausible that they had others as well. I have to say, a Skakdi of Shadow sounds awesome... but unlikely, given that Spiriah granted them their abilities. I doubt he'd want to have Skakdi with the power of shadow running around. Quote Credit goes to Linus Van Pelt (Formerly known as Cherixon) and Spectral Avohkii EnterprisesMy Memoirs of the Dead entry, Reflectons:http://www.bzpower.com/board/index.php?showtopic=7351 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLordBane154 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I don't have the quote but this is actually something that I asked Greg about a year ago. I asked if there were Skakdi of other elements such as lightning and he said yes. I didn't ask about light and shadow though, but I would assume that there aren't.I got this from Greg on May 4, 2010. 4) Skakdi can control elements other than the primary 6, like a Skakdi of lightning right?4) Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARU 867 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I think that the light Skakdi were the first type, as the Av-Matoran. Remember the skadi were made by a makuta a being of shadow, why would they want more beings with control over light their most feared element From Bs01:Mata Nui created the Skakdi, and they existed as a relatively peaceful race.http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php/Skakdi This explains a lot in my opinion. Quote PS: sorry for errors, blame the translator. http://www.bzpower.c...?showtopic=418] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dual Cee Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I think that the light Skakdi were the first type, as the Av-Matoran. Remember the skadi were made by a makuta a being of shadow, why would they want more beings with control over light their most feared element From Bs01:Mata Nui created the Skakdi, and they existed as a relatively peaceful race.http://biosector01.com/wiki/index.php/Skakdi This explains a lot in my opinion. Oops I meant that there powerwas granted by a makutha Quote I'm back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northmarch Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I reckon ny of the secondary elements could exist within a Skakdi. Although I dought light or shadow would exist; if Spirah gave them the powers then he probably left out those two for reasons stated upove, if he unlocked or enhanced pre-existing abilities then he probably had them killed (for the same reasons, they might be a threat.). As for phonics, I highly dought that any Skakdi would be capable of the mental discipline needed to control this element. As a result of being one short power wise, they probably died off rather quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chro Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Some of them certainly had significant mental discipline- for example, Zaktan maintaining control over his dispersed protodites, or Avak creating the perfect prison with his mind. Psionics wouldn't be too difficult, I think, although they'd likely be like an overblown Orde- able to use and control their powers but not always having the desired results... Quote save not only their lives but their spirits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Toa Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Yeah, and I think a violent and undiciplined psionics user would mainly use his/her power to spread madness. Quote My BlogLatest Update: RPG: Character Creation and StatsMy Story CollectionStory Currently in Progress:End of Yrenta (Review Topic) (Currently at 55 Chapters)I realize I haven't updated my stories or posted much for quite a while. I will get back it it sometime, and I am still checking the site daily for any interesting topics.Brickshelf Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chro Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Yeah, and I think a violent and undiciplined psionics user would mainly use his/her power to spread madness.I also suspect we'd witness copious instances of long-distance 'force-punching'. Quote save not only their lives but their spirits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Von Nebula Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Probably not Light, as no Makuta would ever give someone Light powers. Definitely not the Legendary elements either. I'm not sure if Spiriah mutated the Skakdi before or after the Makuta evolution. If it was after, there are probably no Iron or Magnetism Skakdi as well. In addition, Vezok is proof that elements do not relate to gender with Skakdi (or they have different female elements?)For fan-created material, you can use any element. Quote Read my comedy, about the Hero Factory villains watching a television channel produced by our Spherus Magnan friends!The Bionicle Channel "I expect that when I write my next entry in this chronicle, I will be writing as uncontested ruler of the Brotherhood."-Certainty, my Memoirs of the Dead entry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northmarch Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Probably not Light, as no Makuta would ever give someone Light powers. Definitely not the Legendary elements either. I'm not sure if Spiriah mutated the Skakdi before or after the Makuta evolution. If it was after, there are probably no Iron or Magnetism Skakdi as well. In addition, Vezok is proof that elements do not relate to gender with Skakdi (or they have different female elements?)For fan-created material, you can use any element.Legendary elements. If you meen life, time, creation. Those are not elements.Probably right about the no iron or mag Skakdi.Can someone check BS01 timeline on the makuta evolution. I haven't got time right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Iron Toa Posted December 11, 2012 Share Posted December 11, 2012 Spiriah altered the Skakdi sometime between 45000 and 30000 years before the Makuta evolved. Quote My BlogLatest Update: RPG: Character Creation and StatsMy Story CollectionStory Currently in Progress:End of Yrenta (Review Topic) (Currently at 55 Chapters)I realize I haven't updated my stories or posted much for quite a while. I will get back it it sometime, and I am still checking the site daily for any interesting topics.Brickshelf Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makuta Matata Posted December 11, 2012 Author Share Posted December 11, 2012 (edited) I don't have the quote but this is actually something that I asked Greg about a year ago. I asked if there were Skakdi of other elements such as lightning and he said yes. I didn't ask about light and shadow though, but I would assume that there aren't.I got this from Greg on May 4, 2010. 4) Skakdi can control elements other than the primary 6, like a Skakdi of lightning right?4) Yes Well, that clears things up a bit. We still don't know how they can use some of those powers in conjunction, though. Edited December 11, 2012 by Makuta Matata Quote Three on Three - Memoirs of the Dead - Winner!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chro Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 (edited) I personally think it'd be neat to come up with possible power combinations. (Probably hard to compile a list or something since there are so many possible combinations.) One possible "common" gravity effect, I think, could be creating a warped gravity field around a target, drawing in the other Skakdi's attack- for example, pulling fireballs towards a target. Magnetism and iron... hmm. I'd say, in any case, it really depends on what the two Skakdi trying to accomplish- fix or build something, attack someone (it'd also vary be target, I think), et cetera.Something like lightning is a little more obvious... I think we'd be seeing basic Inika-style attacks of lightning-infused elemental blasts. Sonics could be similar, actually, and so could plasma. Edited December 12, 2012 by Chro Quote save not only their lives but their spirits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishers64 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 Yeah, and I think a violent and undiciplined psionics user would mainly use his/her power to spread madness.I also suspect we'd witness copious instances of long-distance 'force-punching'. That, and Skakdi of Iron combining with Skakdi of Psionics to clock foes with Iron beams. Quote Hero Factory RPG | Bionicle Mafia XXIX: Storyline & Theories Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARU 867 Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 Who are not disciplined not to say that do not have access to any element ... Quote PS: sorry for errors, blame the translator. http://www.bzpower.c...?showtopic=418] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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