wolf66849 Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Now we all know that is the Kingdom Alternate Universe Takanuva sacrificed his toa powers to make 6 more toa, but Velika was a Great Being so how did he change to? I was just wondering if anyone had a good explaination. Quote Toa Wolf _________________________________________________________________________________________________Keep in mind that if Star Trek fans had, as a group, said, No point in talking about this anymore, it's never going to come back, it never WOULD have come back.-- Greg FarshteyLearn this phrase. Love it. Hold it dear. Bring it back. If you know what this means, and/or agree with me, copy this into your sig. _________________________________________________________________________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constructelf Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Only his mind was a great being; he had a matoran body. As a result, he could still transform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dual Cee Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Changing into a toa doesn't change the mind but changes the body, seeing he was in a matoran body it's very possible for him turning into a toa, also him being a GB, altough hidden, would actually higher his chances in turning into a toa. Quote I'm back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLhikan Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Changing into a toa doesn't change the mind but changes the body, seeing he was in a matoran body it's very possible for him turning into a toa, also him being a GB, altough hidden, would actually higher his chances in turning into a toa. I'm not sure that his being a Great Being would increase his "chances" of turning into a Toa. It's a matter of destiny. Of course, I don't really understand how destiny works in Bionicle that well anyway... -TLhikan Quote "So I'm TL now?""Yeah, 'cuz if we said it the other way it'd have to be TLhiKHAAN!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Von Nebula Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 In addition to the fact that Velika's matoran body can become a toa like any other matoran, we don't even know if this alternate universe's "Velika" was a GB in disguise, since that alternate universe appeared before the "hidden GB"-thing. Quote Read my comedy, about the Hero Factory villains watching a television channel produced by our Spherus Magnan friends!The Bionicle Channel "I expect that when I write my next entry in this chronicle, I will be writing as uncontested ruler of the Brotherhood."-Certainty, my Memoirs of the Dead entry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constructelf Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 No, the Hidden GB was in the MU since its creation; the Kingdom splintered off when Matoro failed to revive Mata Nui. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dual Cee Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Changing into a toa doesn't change the mind but changes the body, seeing he was in a matoran body it's very possible for him turning into a toa, also him being a GB, altough hidden, would actually higher his chances in turning into a toa. I'm not sure that his being a Great Being would increase his "chances" of turning into a Toa. It's a matter of destiny. Of course, I don't really understand how destiny works in Bionicle that well anyway... -TLhikanI was refereing to the unconfirmed rule of toaness that states: "You've got to be crazy or exentric to become toa" which fits Velika quite well, but its unconfirmed. Quote I'm back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Coffee Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 How do you know? Perhaps in that AU, Velika never decided to inhabit the MU, as such events on Voya Nui were just slightly different but had enough effect on Matoro to cause him to fail?. Discussions like these are pointless because there is not enough information on the matter. One can come of with 1000 valid stories for why that is so. Quote === COFFEE GUZZLER ===BZPRPG profiles-Chronicles of Tara-Ascension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dual Cee Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 How do you know? Perhaps in that AU, Velika never decided to inhabit the MU, as such events on Voya Nui were just slightly different but had enough effect on Matoro to cause him to fail?. Discussions like these are pointless because there is not enough information on the matter. One can come of with 1000 valid stories for why that is so.I can remember Greg confirmed him being a GB too, can someone check that? Quote I'm back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratak Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 In Bionicle canon storyline, each alternate universe springs from a different choice made by someone. For the Kingdom, it was Toa Matoro's failure to act quick enough, and for the Empire, Nidhiki teamed with Tuyet to kill Lhikan. I assume that the reason why Greg never developed an alternate universe that included more than just a one different decision is because he didn't want to have to take a whole book to describe a side story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makuta of Time Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I'm wondering is why we didn't know about him in the first place as a GB. Also I think they should have already figured it out in that alternate reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.B.O.C Posted January 14, 2013 Share Posted January 14, 2013 How do you know? Perhaps in that AU, Velika never decided to inhabit the MU, as such events on Voya Nui were just slightly different but had enough effect on Matoro to cause him to fail?. Discussions like these are pointless because there is not enough information on the matter. One can come of with 1000 valid stories for why that is so. If he wasn't the universe would have diverged there, by him not choosing to be in the MU as Velika. So, he was a GB in the Kingdom Alt. Universe. Quote My Brickshelf, please don't copy!... ...Looking for shiny Regirock, Articuno, and Virizion!(Can trade most any legendary for them!)My 3DS friend list is full, sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Jaller- Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Matoran body's can transform into Toa with the needed Toa power. Velika is possesing a matoran body, since only his mind is in the body, his body can change and be altered as we learned from Karzahni's "repairs" meaning that it would be logical to assume that he could be transformed into a Toa if given the needed Toa power to transform. Quote LONG LIVE BIONICLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonesiii Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 How do you know? Perhaps in that AU, Velika never decided to inhabit the MU, as such events on Voya Nui were just slightly different but had enough effect on Matoro to cause him to fail?. Discussions like these are pointless because there is not enough information on the matter. One can come of with 1000 valid stories for why that is so. If he wasn't the universe would have diverged there, by him not choosing to be in the MU as Velika. So, he was a GB in the Kingdom Alt. Universe.How do you know it did NOT diverge there? Greg told us that alternate universes can (and usually do) have multiple deviations that eventually add up to a big split.What would happen if Velika the GB did not choose to enter the MU? What if he prepared a plan for himself to do so, including a destiny for a Matoran by his name to be made, but decided at the last second to pull out, and when that destiny programming eventually ran, the Matoran creation process generated a mind for the Matoran as normal? Then there could be a Matoran named Velika that is not a GB. Of course, that's highly unlikely, but just sayin'. We shouldn't just assume. As for an "unconfirmed rule" about destined Matoran seeming crazy, that sounds like a fan rumor (a false one) to me. Who would it even apply to, in-story? They do tend to be noteworthy in some way, but then so does everybody. Takua was a special case but more because he wasn't really Ta; he probably would have seemed different in about the same ways even if he was just a non-destined Av-Matoran. Quote The Destiny of Bionicle (chronological retelling of Bionicle original series, 9 PDFs of 10 chapters each on Google Drive): Part 1 - Warring with Fate | Part 2 - Year of Change | Part 3 - The Exploration Trap | Part 4 - Rise of the Warlords | Part 5 - A Busy Matoran | Part 6 - The Dark Time | Part 7 - Proving Grounds | Part 8 - A Rude Awakening | Part 9 - The Battle of Giants My Bionicle Fanfiction (Google Drive folder, eventually planned to have PDFs of all of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katuko Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 As for an "unconfirmed rule" about destined Matoran seeming crazy, that sounds like a fan rumor (a false one) to me. Who would it even apply to, in-story?It's one feather becomes five hens, applied to the comment from Jerbraz about Krakua:"Someone thinks he may wind up a Toa someday," Jerbraz continued. "I can see why. Matoran with the calling sometimes are a little ... eccentric. Almost like their brain knows something it isn’t telling them."Eccentric --> A bit "off" --> A bit insane, perhaps --> Crazy.Helryx also commented on how being insane was a prerequisite for being a Toa, though that was of course a joke."Haven't you figured it out yet? You have to be insane to be a Toa at all. It's the first requirement for the job."It stands to reason that if you take it a bit too literally, then marking an eccentric, crazy or otherwise "different" Matoran as a possible Toa does make some sense. From a narrative point of view, a character being unique often means that they have some special relevance to the story. BIONICLE tends to have lots and lots of unique side characters with next to no screen time, though, so in this setting it doesn't apply so much. Take all the Dark Hunters, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dual Cee Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 (edited) As for an "unconfirmed rule" about destined Matoran seeming crazy, that sounds like a fan rumor (a false one) to me. Who would it even apply to, in-story?It's one feather becomes five hens, applied to the comment from Jerbraz about Krakua:"Someone thinks he may wind up a Toa someday," Jerbraz continued. "I can see why. Matoran with the calling sometimes are a little ... eccentric. Almost like their brain knows something it isn’t telling them."Eccentric --> A bit "off" --> A bit insane, perhaps --> Crazy.Helryx also commented on how being insane was a prerequisite for being a Toa, though that was of course a joke."Haven't you figured it out yet? You have to be insane to be a Toa at all. It's the first requirement for the job.It stands to reason that if you take it a bit too literally, then marking an eccentric, crazy or otherwise "different" Matoran as a possible Toa does make some sense. From a narrative point of view, a character being unique often means that they have some special relevance to the story. BIONICLE tends to have lots and lots of unique side characters with next to no screen time, though, so in this setting it doesn't apply so much. Take all the Dark Hunters, for example. Thats what I was referring at (I said crazy because I couldn't spell eccentric ) also there was some quote or from the metrus or from the inika that sounded a bit like: No wonder we were chosen to be toa nobody else would have been craze enough to ake the job.Also found this is the GregF answers topic: :)(Watch out topic is dead) Was Velika in the Kingdom Alternate Universe also a Great Being? Yes Edited January 18, 2013 by Dual Matrix Quote I'm back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Nektann Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 So in the Kingdom, that alt universe diverged in late 2007. All stuff before that happened exactly as it did in the main universe. Now, Velika's mind is in a Po-Matoran form, he's not a shapeshifting GB. Interestingly, it's not confirmed if Velika has a real Matoran personality the GB's suppressing, or Velika was made just for the GB, and thus has no personality. Either way, Velika in the main universe does have latent Toa Power and can become a Toa. This is likely by design on the GB's part to see if he'll end up a Toa. All the Kingdom Toa, in the main universe all have latent Toa power. Kapura, Balta, Dalu, Defilak, Velika, and Tanma all have the Toa potential there in the main universe. So we could (if story happens ever) see those six becoming Toa. Quote -Lord Nektann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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