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#1481 Offline Tali Relo

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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 10:38 PM

You guys are forgetting Tali. She's the power control teacher, remember.
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#1482 Offline namcurtsnoC

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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 10:39 PM

Because most mutant activity is centred in the Big Apple? Mutants haven't been causing trouble in say, Morocco, or something.Just sayin'. Besides, it's more convenient to have only one country in the game. If your world is too big, the game starts to break down.
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#1483 Offline Basilisk

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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 10:40 PM

Yeah, but see, letting a human nuke walk around with nothing to keep him in control is just asking for trouble. The leaders of the nation would have to be braindead to allow such a thing.


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"Shall this great kingdom, that has survived, whole and entire, the Danish depredations, the Scottish inroads, and the Norman conquest; that has stood the threatened invasion of the Spanish Armada, now fall prostrate before the House of Bourbon? Surely, my Lords, this nation is no longer what it was! Shall a people, that seventeen years ago was the terror of the world, now stoop so low as to tell its ancient inveterate enemy, take all we have, only give us peace? It is impossible! ...My Lords, any state is better than despair. Let us at least make one effort; and if we must fall, let us fall like men!"
 
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#1484 Offline Parks and Rekt

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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 10:41 PM

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#1485 Offline Basilisk

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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 10:42 PM

Braindead national leaders. Comrade Putin would never stand for this.

 

Mutants must be controlled. Regulated.

 

They must accept this.

 

Or face the results.


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"Shall this great kingdom, that has survived, whole and entire, the Danish depredations, the Scottish inroads, and the Norman conquest; that has stood the threatened invasion of the Spanish Armada, now fall prostrate before the House of Bourbon? Surely, my Lords, this nation is no longer what it was! Shall a people, that seventeen years ago was the terror of the world, now stoop so low as to tell its ancient inveterate enemy, take all we have, only give us peace? It is impossible! ...My Lords, any state is better than despair. Let us at least make one effort; and if we must fall, let us fall like men!"
 
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#1486 Offline Ninth Krayzikk

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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 10:43 PM

Yeah, but see, letting a human nuke walk around with nothing to keep him in control is just asking for trouble. The leaders of the nation would have to be braindead to allow such a thing.

 

It has been canonically (Well, XMDD canon) that many countries outside of the US have no issues with mutants. Because unlike the US, they didn't have the whole "prejudice" problem to create these conflicts in the first place. They regulate themselves, by having mutants integrated into society. Including the police force.


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#1487 Offline Parks and Rekt

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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 10:44 PM

You'd be the one person in this RPG who would move in with a SWAT team and arrest Dallas Green while he tried to make a speech calming everyone down.

 

That's not a good thing.

 

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#1488 Offline Basilisk

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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 10:44 PM

....Yeah. The world doesn't work that way. At all.

 

No prejudice in other nations?

 

I'll be over here. Laughing.

 

Russians are actually pretty darn racist. As are the Japanese, the Koreans....every nation has problems with prejudice. Europe/Asia/Whatever isn't some magical utopia.

 

Not seeing them reacting well to mutants.

 

EDIT: Law and order must be upheld. Humanity must be protected.


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"Shall this great kingdom, that has survived, whole and entire, the Danish depredations, the Scottish inroads, and the Norman conquest; that has stood the threatened invasion of the Spanish Armada, now fall prostrate before the House of Bourbon? Surely, my Lords, this nation is no longer what it was! Shall a people, that seventeen years ago was the terror of the world, now stoop so low as to tell its ancient inveterate enemy, take all we have, only give us peace? It is impossible! ...My Lords, any state is better than despair. Let us at least make one effort; and if we must fall, let us fall like men!"
 
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#1489 Offline Parks and Rekt

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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 10:47 PM

Considering Russia's pretty steamed that America's mistreating kids brought over for adoptive purposes, how do you think they'd react to a Russian citizen - a legal adult - being mistreated on American soil?

 

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#1490 Offline Ninth Krayzikk

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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 10:47 PM

I didn't say there was no prejudice. 

 

But I think you'll note that many European nations in particular have comparatively few issues regarding prejudice. Rather than the huge issues the US had with mutants in the nineties, some nations made an attempt to integrate them into society. And in some cases, it worked.

 

How do you control a living nuke? The same way you control actual weapons. Balance of power. For every criminal mutant, of which there are relatively few, there's at least one in the police.

 

Iceland, by Humva's request, is one such nation.


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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 10:50 PM

....There was a massive march in France against Gay Rights recently. 

 

 

Also, anti-Muslim prejudice.

 

This is just magical thinking on it's worst and justification for some far-off and illogical happy ending to the whole issue. I'm sure.

 

http://en.wikipedia....ation_in_Europe

 

Heck, look at this article. Europe would be just as bad, if not worse, then America on this.


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"Shall this great kingdom, that has survived, whole and entire, the Danish depredations, the Scottish inroads, and the Norman conquest; that has stood the threatened invasion of the Spanish Armada, now fall prostrate before the House of Bourbon? Surely, my Lords, this nation is no longer what it was! Shall a people, that seventeen years ago was the terror of the world, now stoop so low as to tell its ancient inveterate enemy, take all we have, only give us peace? It is impossible! ...My Lords, any state is better than despair. Let us at least make one effort; and if we must fall, let us fall like men!"
 
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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 10:52 PM

I think you might also note that those are based on reasons not based around race, but rather, religious issues. Now, we're starting to veer into non-BZP appropriate topics, so I'll close this by directing you to the above explanation.

 

There are countries that have integrated mutants into society effectively.


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#1493 Offline Madara: Mangekyou Master

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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 10:53 PM

Oh dear. Not the g-word and religion. D:The most important thing is that the Brotherhood attack was at a UN convention centre, in a room packed with foreign diplomats. The world has some understanding on how to deal with criminals. Also... diplomatic immunity isn't a blanket over all of a country's citizens. As a visitor to a country, you are subject to its laws, and just as likely to be prosecuted as Joe the Plumber.  I would cite cases from Thailand and Singapore, but they might not be entirely appropriate. 


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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 10:53 PM

...That makes no sense. At all. You didn't even read that last article. Racism of the normal kind is very very common in Europe.

 

This is utterly unrealistic.


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"Shall this great kingdom, that has survived, whole and entire, the Danish depredations, the Scottish inroads, and the Norman conquest; that has stood the threatened invasion of the Spanish Armada, now fall prostrate before the House of Bourbon? Surely, my Lords, this nation is no longer what it was! Shall a people, that seventeen years ago was the terror of the world, now stoop so low as to tell its ancient inveterate enemy, take all we have, only give us peace? It is impossible! ...My Lords, any state is better than despair. Let us at least make one effort; and if we must fall, let us fall like men!"
 
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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 10:54 PM

Oh dear. Not the g-word and religion. D:

 

I am sorry, but I do not make the BZPower rules. I just obey them. Religion is a distinctly banned topic of conversation.

 

EDIT: Basilisk, I suspect this is a topic we will not agree on. But there is preexisting evidence in XMDD canon, evidence that I cannot simply cast aside.


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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 10:54 PM

Also... diplomatic immunity isn't a blanket over all of a country's citizens. As a visitor to a country, you are subject to its laws, and just as likely to be prosecuted as Joe the Plumber.  

 

It was a Lethal Weapon 2 joke.

 

EDIT: Plus, if Aleksandr's a legal Russian citizen and doesn't have permanent citizenship in the US, then he's not subject to the same anti-mutant laws as bona fide American citizens. 

 

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#1497 Offline Madara: Mangekyou Master

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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 10:55 PM

Oh dear. Not the g-word and religion. D:

 

I am sorry, but I do not make the BZPower rules. I just obey them. Religion is a distinctly banned topic of conversation.

Hence my reaction to the Islamophobia article. D: 


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#1498 Offline Basilisk

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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 10:56 PM

I guess I'll just have to conquer the world then. Because that appears to be the only way to draft sensible policy for some nations.


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"Shall this great kingdom, that has survived, whole and entire, the Danish depredations, the Scottish inroads, and the Norman conquest; that has stood the threatened invasion of the Spanish Armada, now fall prostrate before the House of Bourbon? Surely, my Lords, this nation is no longer what it was! Shall a people, that seventeen years ago was the terror of the world, now stoop so low as to tell its ancient inveterate enemy, take all we have, only give us peace? It is impossible! ...My Lords, any state is better than despair. Let us at least make one effort; and if we must fall, let us fall like men!"
 
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#1499 Offline Parks and Rekt

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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 10:57 PM

lol, good one

 

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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 10:57 PM

 

Oh dear. Not the g-word and religion. D:

 

I am sorry, but I do not make the BZPower rules. I just obey them. Religion is a distinctly banned topic of conversation.

Hence my reaction to the Islamophobia article. D: 

I mean this with the utmost respect, but please, shut up. Like I have said, I do not create the BZPower policy. But I must obey it. If I ran this site, it would not be a banned topic. But I don't, and it is.

 

EDIT: I misread your post. Apologies.


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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 10:58 PM

I removed the links. 'Cept the wikipedia one, which specifically covers only race. As mentioned in the first few sentances.

 

It's quite the massive list.


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"Shall this great kingdom, that has survived, whole and entire, the Danish depredations, the Scottish inroads, and the Norman conquest; that has stood the threatened invasion of the Spanish Armada, now fall prostrate before the House of Bourbon? Surely, my Lords, this nation is no longer what it was! Shall a people, that seventeen years ago was the terror of the world, now stoop so low as to tell its ancient inveterate enemy, take all we have, only give us peace? It is impossible! ...My Lords, any state is better than despair. Let us at least make one effort; and if we must fall, let us fall like men!"
 
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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 11:02 PM

Basilisk, your concerns have been noted. But as I have stated, there is precedence in the game to be followed. Specifically, the nature of mutant politics in other countries that has been covered a few times in-game, as well as outside the game in conversation with several players.

 

And it is not something I can simply disregard, or retcon away.


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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 11:03 PM

All of those were based on a worldview that is so utterly black and white in it's viewpoint that it could be mistaken for a certain flightless bird.....

 

Gah. Research isn't hard people.


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"Shall this great kingdom, that has survived, whole and entire, the Danish depredations, the Scottish inroads, and the Norman conquest; that has stood the threatened invasion of the Spanish Armada, now fall prostrate before the House of Bourbon? Surely, my Lords, this nation is no longer what it was! Shall a people, that seventeen years ago was the terror of the world, now stoop so low as to tell its ancient inveterate enemy, take all we have, only give us peace? It is impossible! ...My Lords, any state is better than despair. Let us at least make one effort; and if we must fall, let us fall like men!"
 
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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 11:05 PM

At least one thing is certain. Russia and China probably weaponize a heck of a lot more of their mutants than the US. 


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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 11:07 PM

This is a bit of a unique case because to my knowledge there's only two or three non-North American mutants; one of them is Humva's, and Iceland is apparently one of these countries that has been assimilated due to his personal request. The other is Aleksandr, and Russian/American politics are nowhere near the stage where Russia would let anything happen to one of its citizens on American soil, mutant or no.

 

The foreign policy on mutants doesn't really matter much in the long run, anyway, Basilisk. I think you just need something to conquer and bend to your whims at this point. :P

 

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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 11:07 PM

You mean reality?

 

Yes.

 

Because I have some objections to the way it is running currently.


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"Shall this great kingdom, that has survived, whole and entire, the Danish depredations, the Scottish inroads, and the Norman conquest; that has stood the threatened invasion of the Spanish Armada, now fall prostrate before the House of Bourbon? Surely, my Lords, this nation is no longer what it was! Shall a people, that seventeen years ago was the terror of the world, now stoop so low as to tell its ancient inveterate enemy, take all we have, only give us peace? It is impossible! ...My Lords, any state is better than despair. Let us at least make one effort; and if we must fall, let us fall like men!"
 
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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 11:09 PM

All of those were based on a worldview that is so utterly black and white in it's viewpoint that it could be mistaken for a certain flightless bird.....

 

Gah. Research isn't hard people.

 

Research becomes significantly more difficult when it deals with cases that do not actually exist, and in a world where the entire last four decades has played out completely different than how they have in the real world.

 

Plus, if all countries had adopted the standards you have been working towards, there would be no unregistered mutants left. They would all either be fugitives, registered, imprisoned, or dead. And since that isn't the case, laws have to be significantly more lax in other countries.


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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 11:09 PM

We're in a game with giant mecha run by a totalitarian anti-mutant police force, world leaders being decapitated in the biggest hive of Secret Service and government activity in the world after five minute speeches from a two-bit psychopath, countries and islands that never existed but are being carpet bombed anyway, and a world in which 51 percent of America elects a Republican to lead them.

 

And you want reality.

 

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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 11:11 PM

.....I fail to see how those things negate the historical and present attitudes certain nations have torwards prejudice. Or the problems they have with it.

 

[color=rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;]Plus, if all countries had adopted the standards you have been working towards, there would be no unregistered mutants left. They would all either be fugitives, registered, imprisoned, or dead. And since that isn't the case, laws have to be significantly more lax in other countries.[/color]

 

Ah. So they can't adopt my policies because they'd work too well.
 
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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 11:14 PM

We're not dealing with certain nations because they don't matter. We're in America. We're staying in America.

 

Aleks is a unique case because he's a Russian national and doesn't have American citizenship. It stands to reason that the Russian government wouldn't let something as high-profile as one of their mutant citizens being abused stand. That's all.

 

This whole argument is irrelevant, and I'm not sure why it got this far.

 

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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 11:16 PM

Basilisk, it is late, so I apologize if I am not making myself clear. I will rectify that now.

 

I am saying that your policies cannot be in effect, because if they were, the in-game world would be radically different. Since it is as it is, those policies are clearly not in effect. Second, when you introduce a variable as significant as mutants into the world, and you end up changing four decades worth of history, you end up with something radically different than what you would expect.


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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 11:17 PM

No sell here. Historical attitudes are built over centuries. Norms don't change quite that fast. I've had classes on this. 

 

Racism, you'll note, is still a massive problem despite the civil rights mo-whatever. I'm done.

 

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Age: Twenty-Nine
 
Gender: Female 
 
Faction: Mutant Activities Control and Enforcement (MACE) 
 
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Personality:  Samantha protects people; she views it as her calling. She protects her nation, her soldiers and if she has any strength left for it, herself.  She joined the USMC because she felt she had to step up, had to do something about the **** the world was becoming. She has served with distinction. Her bravery and courage has never come into question. She is dedicated to her job and her cause, realizing full well the threat the mutants pose. She doesn’t want to kill them, and will avoid it if she can but if they go hostile, she sees no problem with putting them in the dirt. She will not, however, fire on unarmed civilians. Those are the people she’s supposed to be protecting and ordering her to do so is a good way to lose your teeth.
 
Weakness: She is a normal, albeit extraordinarily brave, human in a world of mutants and magic. Without her weapons, a fight against a mutant has little chance of going well for her. 
 
Bio: Samantha joined the army at a young age and has more or less made a career out of it. She attended college during her spare time and is currently the proud owner of a BA in English….which means she’ll be in the armed forces for a good while yet, considering the economic situation. She doesn’t mind this however, viewing the opportunity to do some good in the world as one well worth taking. When her unit was folded into MACE, she went with them. She currently commands a platoon of men and is stationed in New York city until new orders filter through. The promotion was appreciated as well. 

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#1513 Offline Madara: Mangekyou Master

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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 11:21 PM

You guys are forgetting Tali. She's the power control teacher, remember.

She would be very helpful. :) 


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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 11:26 PM

I have no objections, Basilisk. Approved x1.


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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 11:27 PM

Approved x2.

 

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#1516 Offline Basilisk

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Posted Apr 05 2013 - 11:30 PM

Excellent.

 

Thank you gentlemen. 

 

Incidentally.....

 

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"Shall this great kingdom, that has survived, whole and entire, the Danish depredations, the Scottish inroads, and the Norman conquest; that has stood the threatened invasion of the Spanish Armada, now fall prostrate before the House of Bourbon? Surely, my Lords, this nation is no longer what it was! Shall a people, that seventeen years ago was the terror of the world, now stoop so low as to tell its ancient inveterate enemy, take all we have, only give us peace? It is impossible! ...My Lords, any state is better than despair. Let us at least make one effort; and if we must fall, let us fall like men!"
 
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#1517 Offline Madara: Mangekyou Master

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Posted Apr 06 2013 - 12:57 AM

The state of mutant affairs can only go up from 'shoot on sight if you don't register'


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#1518 Offline I Am Ultron Six

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Posted Apr 06 2013 - 05:03 AM

See all that discussion accomplished was making me want to make a French Brotherhood member. He'd have some sort of portal based power since thats a running-away-based power. Yay stereotypes! :P

 

Incidentally, did you want to get an actual teacher on the increasing aggression? Since Tyrone has the qualities of being big, bulky and bullet-proof he could be ideal


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Posted Apr 06 2013 - 06:15 AM

Guys, I'll be gone all day, so I won't be able to post. Madara, you can bunny along Morning Star if you need him, Adders, you get Hei; leave the rest of my characters alone please.

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Posted Apr 06 2013 - 07:45 AM

See all that discussion accomplished was making me want to make a French Brotherhood member. He'd have some sort of portal based power since thats a running-away-based power. Yay stereotypes! :P Incidentally, did you want to get an actual teacher on the increasing aggression? Since Tyrone has the qualities of being big, bulky and bullet-proof he could be ideal

That would be excellent. Just a conversation would be ideal. Tengu really isn't here for a fight.

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