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How Mutran Could have Controlled the Karda Nui Storm

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#1 Offline X-Ray

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Posted Feb 21 2013 - 11:01 PM

[color=#008080;][font="'trebuchet ms', helvetica, sans-serif;"]In The Final Battle, Makuta Mutran is on the verge of figuring it out how to control the storm going on in the heart of Karda Nui. He is vaporized just before he announces his discovery. I now believe that I have found it.[/color][/font]

 

[color=#008080;][font="'trebuchet ms', helvetica, sans-serif;"]Could Mutran simply have invoked his Makuta power over weather control to control the storm? Is this, in you, the reader's opinion, plausible?[/color][/font]

 

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Posted Feb 21 2013 - 11:09 PM

Very plausible, he did state before he got zapped that the answer was simple.


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Posted Feb 22 2013 - 12:12 AM

huh. never thought about it before, but that's probably what the answer was.


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Posted Feb 22 2013 - 12:49 AM

I'm not sure. BS01 states that the Energy Storms were 'large storms of raw energy.' I'm not sure that a Makuta's weather control power would be able to control raw energy. I guess it would depend on what kind of energy was used in the storms.


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Posted Feb 22 2013 - 07:46 AM

I don't think Mutran was possible to control it, he could have figured that the guy who would overthrow Mata Nui could control it, but he wasn't inside the core processor so his attempts would be impossible. Teridax chose to let the storm go so the Makuta would die, he wasn't so dumb to kill all of his brothers off.


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Posted Feb 22 2013 - 10:48 AM

If you think about it, the storm being raw energy doesn't necessarily make it different from other storms inside the MU. All of the "natural" storms would have been caused by the robot's programming or the direct intervention of Mata Nui/Teridax. I'm not sure how much is known about "natural" weather in the MU, but if the rest of it was all pure energy as well and that's what the Makuta power of "weather control" was, to control pure energy, then that power might very well have been what he would have used to control the Karda Nui storm.On the other hand, if it really was that simply, Mutran probably would've figured it out instantly and not died.Or he could've been insane and there was no way to control the storm.
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Posted Feb 22 2013 - 10:56 AM

He could have possibly controlled it using his powers he got from just knowing how the universe worked, you know those Matrix style powers?


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Posted Feb 22 2013 - 10:58 AM

I think Teridax looked into Mutrans thoughts and saw how to control the storm, the storm that was supposed to happen was all Makuta's doing, if Mata Nui was in charge he wouldn't have killed every Makuta, he would have known which were skeptical of Teridax's plan. Mutran I think is responsible for the storm, when he figured how to control it.


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Posted Feb 22 2013 - 11:05 AM

I think Teridax looked into Mutrans thoughts and saw how to control the storm, the storm that was supposed to happen was all Makuta's doing, if Mata Nui was in charge he wouldn't have killed every Makuta, he would have known which were skeptical of Teridax's plan. Mutran I think is responsible for the storm, when he figured how to control it.

 

Ha no, the storm is just were all the Energy  in tha world starts, so I'ts perfectly normal to happen. It always happens when the Bot is alive.


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Posted Feb 22 2013 - 12:25 PM

Small speculation, what about a mixture of Weather and Rahi Control? What if the storm was made of Avokah? That would explain their presence in Karda Nui pre-Mata Nui's Awakening.


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Posted Feb 22 2013 - 04:42 PM

Maybe he thought he could control it but he didn't know the true nature of the storm...


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Posted Feb 22 2013 - 08:35 PM

If he could control the storm, he would effectively give the MU robot cardiac arrest, so I would say that he couldn't stop it with raw power alone.  Also, any of the Makuta could have thought of this, not just him.  

I think Dual Matrix is right- especially since Mutran was the only Makuta who got that universe-manipulating knowledge firsthand from Tren Krom, so he might have understood it the best.


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Posted Feb 22 2013 - 08:39 PM

Well, in the basic appeal, it does seem plausible. However, this is Great Being creation we're talking about. First, The Grea Beings are crazy. They invented lots of crazy stuff, who knows what the heck this particular invention consists of. Perhaps some Protodermic gas? I don't know.Second, Look at these other things in Karda Nui. Especially the Codrex. It was a structure surrounded by a force field of mystical properties, and the Codrex itself had a dimensional portal in it, while it seemed to the Toa that it was just a really big underground building.So, perhaps he could, if it was just weather. But who knows what it actually is? A tornado, a trap, or a breath of a Great Being. The world may never know.
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Posted Feb 22 2013 - 10:08 PM

I think this subject was supposed to be covered at a later time in the story, so it was more of a hint of what was to come. It would probably have been something like the knowledge of turning off Toa powers.

I think it would have been something to do with Electricity and Magnetism. Side note: I think it would have been more logical in the storyline to have created a Toa of Electromagnetism.


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Posted Feb 24 2013 - 10:02 PM

Thats an interesting theory! :D Never though about that!


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Posted Feb 24 2013 - 11:01 PM

I think that Mutran figured out how to be the most powerful Makuta with all that power. Or maybe he want to improve those abominations of his, and give them more power.
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Posted Feb 25 2013 - 01:46 AM

It seems like he could have. aside from him having knowledge of everything, The Makuta have weather control, chain lightning, electricity, and plasma. Also, He could have dodged the blast with dodge and teleportation powers. All in all, the reason he didn't control the storm was because Greg didn't want him to. It kind of sucks because I feel like Spherus Magna could do with some more Makuta right now. :(


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Posted Feb 25 2013 - 05:58 AM

Just pointing out that Makuta can only use one of their powers at a time, so all these suggestions of combining powers are implausible.


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Posted Feb 25 2013 - 08:13 AM

Mutran was nuts. He probably couldn't have stopped it but thought that he could. :lol:


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Posted Feb 25 2013 - 11:41 AM

Just pointing out that Makuta can only use one of their powers at a time, so all these suggestions of combining powers are implausible.

Sorry for my evident ignorance in this, but where is that said as an absolute fact? 


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Posted Feb 25 2013 - 11:47 AM

Well, in the basic appeal, it does seem plausible. However, this is Great Being creation we're talking about. First, The Grea Beings are crazy. They invented lots of crazy stuff, who knows what the heck this particular invention consists of. Perhaps some Protodermic gas? I don't know. Second, Look at these other things in Karda Nui. Especially the Codrex. It was a structure surrounded by a force field of mystical properties, and the Codrex itself had a dimensional portal in it, while it seemed to the Toa that it was just a really big underground building. So, perhaps he could, if it was just weather. But who knows what it actually is? A tornado, a trap, or a breath of a Great Being. The world may never know.

 

I know what it is for it is confirmed :)

 

The storms are always occuring when the robot is alive, it's like our blood flowing trough our hart, but then energy flowing through a massive cave which functions as a heart of an even bigger robot. It's just the enormous amounth of it which makes it so deadly, it is no real storm, just an overdosis lightning.

 

I think Dual Matrix is right- especially since Mutran was the only Makuta who got that universe-manipulating knowledge firsthand from Tren Krom, so he might have understood it the best.

 

Exactly me thoughts.

 

Mutran was nuts. He probably couldn't have stopped it but thought that he could. :lol:

 

Probably the most logical Idea here

 

Just pointing out that Makuta can only use one of their powers at a time, so all these suggestions of combining powers are implausible.

Sorry for my evident ignorance in this, but where is that said as an absolute fact? 

 

Probably somewere in the GrefF qoutes, we can't check now since the archives are down, but it's true, believe me altough this only counts for Kraata powers and not for the Matrix style power.


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Posted Feb 25 2013 - 05:48 PM

Well... Mutran did have an understanding of the MU mechanisms from Tren Krom... It's entirely possible that he figured out exactly where and how to apply a certain power, or using several different powers in succession, to tap the flow of energy.


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Posted Feb 25 2013 - 09:56 PM

It seems like he could have. aside from him having knowledge of everything, The Makuta have weather control, chain lightning, electricity, and plasma. Also, He could have dodged the blast with dodge and teleportation powers. All in all, the reason he didn't control the storm was because Greg didn't want him to. It kind of sucks because I feel like Spherus Magna could do with some more Makuta right now. :(

Then life will suck for the Matoran and the Agori, Makuta plus Bone Hunters and Skrall are worse than the MU. Plus, weather control is just for ordinary weather (rain, snow, etc), not super-powerful-charged-up energy storms.

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Posted Mar 04 2013 - 01:58 AM

It seems like he could have. aside from him having knowledge of everything, The Makuta have weather control, chain lightning, electricity, and plasma. Also, He could have dodged the blast with dodge and teleportation powers. All in all, the reason he didn't control the storm was because Greg didn't want him to. It kind of sucks because I feel like Spherus Magna could do with some more Makuta right now. :(

Then life will suck for the Matoran and the Agori, Makuta plus Bone Hunters and Skrall are worse than the MU. Plus, weather control is just for ordinary weather (rain, snow, etc), not super-powerful-charged-up energy storms.

That is true, but it would make for some interesting story.


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