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#1 Offline krikanalo

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Posted Apr 06 2013 - 04:02 PM

i asked this question elsewhere (i think you know where) but figured id post it here to get some different responses

 

 

have clones ever been discussed in bionicle?

 

to add to that, are there any other scifi concepts explored? (i.e. time travel, body swapping, mind control, etc.)

 

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Posted Apr 06 2013 - 04:12 PM

I don't think clones have ever been covered, but there's a lot of alternate versions of various characters who are effectively clones. 

 

The second question is rather vague, any areas you're particularly interested in?  From your examples, time travel has not happened, I guess we've had body swapping in terms of Teridax taking over the Mata-Nui robot, and the Kanohi Komau makes mind control pretty accessible. 


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Posted Apr 06 2013 - 04:14 PM

I don't think clones have ever been covered, but there's a lot of alternate versions of various characters who are effectively clones. 

 

The second question is rather vague, any areas you're particularly interested in?  From your examples, time travel has not happened, I guess we've had body swapping in terms of Teridax taking over the Mata-Nui robot, and the Kanohi Komau makes mind control pretty accessible. 

Also we have had dimention travelling which is pretty scifi-ish


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Posted Apr 06 2013 - 04:35 PM

Body switching? Tren Krom / Lewa.


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Posted Apr 06 2013 - 05:08 PM

Antidermis, when used in a form(Zamor spheres on Voya Nui) can control minds.
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Posted Apr 06 2013 - 05:44 PM

Well, the whole story is pretty sci-fi, I mean, it mainly takes place in a GIANT robot and everyone in it is 85% mechanical.


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Posted Apr 06 2013 - 05:44 PM

Teridax traveling to Bara Magna could be kind of like Sci-fi, or Axonn, Lewa, Brutaka, ect. being transported to space.
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Posted Apr 06 2013 - 06:12 PM

The entire story is an exploration of sci-fi concepts, but I presume you mean the much-used ones. :)

 

There have never been biological clones as far as I recall. Time travel, yes, technically, with Bitil's mask (but there is a rule against using it in any way that could actually change the past). The others covered the rest.


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Posted Apr 06 2013 - 06:18 PM

The entire story is an exploration of sci-fi concepts, but I presume you mean the much-used ones. :)

 

There have never been biological clones as far as I recall. Time travel, yes, technically, with Bitil's mask (but there is a rule against using it in any way that could actually change the past). The others covered the rest.

How do the physics of Bitil's mask work exactly? What rules are applied?


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Posted Apr 06 2013 - 06:22 PM

Well, it's a bit confusing and I don't have time to get into the crazy-technical version, but basically it grabs past versions of himself, so they help, and then when done, sends them back, forgetting what they did while in the future. The prime difficulty is if one gets killed. For more, see BS01 page (FTR):

 

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Posted Apr 08 2013 - 11:44 AM

The logistics of the Mohtrek is rather annoying, since time travel has been said to be impossible. I would have preferred it to simply clone the user in his present form (mirroring any damage done to a clone to all the clones plus the user); or to clone a version from the user's past where any wounds mirror to all future versions (thus always the user but not necessarily every clone), but NOT have a killed clone actually affect the past. The present mask user would die, dismissing all the clones, but the past would not be changed.In short: I don't like time travel unless the story is specifically built around it, such as in Back to the Future or Chrono Trigger.

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Posted Apr 08 2013 - 08:07 PM

I think time travel can be an excellent element of a story even if it isn't the focus. Only if it's done well, though, and it often isn't. :lol:


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Posted Apr 12 2013 - 11:09 PM

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Posted Apr 13 2013 - 04:00 PM

There is a mask of mind controll and tren crom possest lewa so i think they have been briefly explored but they are not defining themes for bionicle


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Posted Apr 18 2013 - 08:09 AM

If time travel was possible, then the Makuta would have won instantly  by going into the future or the past to re-write history. I like this focus concept, but many factors come into play with this. The person who time travels back or into the future, does he/she age. Also the actions that are caused in that time slot, are likely to occur again. Especially in the past, any action done, will be written and stored in file.


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Posted Apr 18 2013 - 08:46 AM

If time travel was possible, then the Makuta would have won instantly  by going into the future or the past to re-write history. I like this focus concept, but many factors come into play with this. The person who time travels back or into the future, does he/she age. Also the actions that are caused in that time slot, are likely to occur again. Especially in the past, any action done, will be written and stored in file.

I couldn't really make out some of what you said, but as for the first thing... it's possible, I think, that time travel is possible in Bionicle. The reason the BOM didn't curbstomp everyone with it is because if time travel exists, they clearly don't have access to it.

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Posted Apr 18 2013 - 09:58 AM

If time travel was possible, then the Makuta would have won instantly  by going into the future or the past to re-write history. I like this focus concept, but many factors come into play with this. The person who time travels back or into the future, does he/she age. Also the actions that are caused in that time slot, are likely to occur again. Especially in the past, any action done, will be written and stored in file.

I couldn't really make out some of what you said, but as for the first thing... it's possible, I think, that time travel is possible in Bionicle. The reason the BOM didn't curbstomp everyone with it is because if time travel exists, they clearly don't have access to it.

 

It was pretty clear that Greg said that there was no time travel, and there was no storyline portrayal of it, aside from that "almost fringe" with Bitil's mask. 


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