BZPRPG News and Discussion

[Keeper of Kraata]

Sil(o?), sorry about my absence from the Ga-Wahi topic; finishing coursework for college, and I only have so much time and focus I can direct elsewhere, so it's normally limited to posting in here. Plus, Vakua's posts in particular now require a significant amount of forethought and planning.

[silo]

 That's absolutely fine...the main reason I posted with Mura was if anyone wanted to interact with him while he waited.

Back to the expedition, I'm not sure if we actually have any "solid element" toa, but the idea about the solidified lava was a good one. I think we're mostly matoran and other powerless races.

Also, has anything happened with the rebellion in Po yet? I mean, has Lloyd posted again?

On another subject, I've been meaning to ask for a while: What types of metal can Fe-Toa create? I ask this cos I noticed someone stating that a certain Fe-Toa character could create non-ferrous metals, and wondered if they could basically create any metal they liked, not just iron.

Edited December 2, 2014 by Sil

[Geardirector]

Taken from the BS01 Page on Iron:

 

• Creating any type of metal or metallic Protodermis
• Controlling any type of metal or metallic Protodermis
• Absorbing any type of metal or metallic Protodermis

[Keeper of Kraata]

All in all, no worse than toa of Water controlling different liquids, and not water in alternate forms (such as vapor, or ice).

[25K Now!]

When Lloyd posts, it's pretty noticeable.

[The UltimoScorp]

I'm playing a Toa of water there. I know there's a fire Toa as we'll, but beyond that, I've no idea.

[Silvan Haven]

Toa of Iron just sounds better than Toa of Metal and seems more elemental. Its pretty much the only reason they are called that.

[Not Quite Dead]

Can't quote because mobile, but like 30-40 pages back I asked the same thing Silo. The answer was that nonferrous metals were fine. But that you have to keep in mind what metals would be present with our tech level. And the experience said character has with more exotic metals.

[Mr. House]

Could a Fe-Toa control Mercury?

[The UltimoScorp]

I would think so? Though they might have to know it was metal, first. Also, that would be so cool.

[Silvan Haven]

I don't see why they would not be able to control it. Its a kind of metal just like any other.

[Visaru]

Well, since to my knowledge mercury has not even been mentioned in this RPG, I doubt the issue will aver arise.

[Silvan Haven]

The Egyptians had mercury.

[Snelly]

Well mercury ain't on Mata Nui so no need to even talk about it. 

 

And Toa of Metal sounds like a rock band.

Edited December 3, 2014 by Skitty

[toa grimlock]

EDIT: Nevermind.

 

 

Being I play a Fe-Toa myself I would think since mercury is liquid at room temperature they could change it from liquid to solid. But what do I know.

Edited December 3, 2014 by toa grimlock

[Nato G]

Welcome up to the stage THE TOA OF (DEATH) METAL!!!

[Silvan Haven]

Well mercury ain't on Mata Nui so no need to even talk about it. 

 

And Toa of Metal sounds like a rock band.

 

How do you know that? I'm honestly not sure why there would be none on the island.

[25K Now!]

Sounds pretty metal.

[Timageness]

Septima calls the bass guitar.

[Keeper of Kraata]

The art I have of Casanuva was drawn by a guy calling himself Arkhad, Toa of Metal. Swell guy, liked his style.

[IcarusBen]

Guys, let us please un-derail this topic. We don't want off-topic strikes.

 

As for mercury, I don't see why we wouldn't have mercury on Mata Nui. The problem is the physiological effects when exposed to mercury. Is it poisonous to MU beings, or not? I'll assume it is, but it's still the staff's decision.

[Endless Sea (Alaki Nuva)]

The Expanded Multiverse classifies Mercury as an elemental type; essentially, whereas Toa of Iron control solid protodermic metal, Toa of Mercury control liquid protodermic metal.

[Timageness]

Really? I was under the impression that there was only sixteen elements (counting Shadow).

[Endless Sea (Alaki Nuva)]

The Expanded Multiverse has an absolute ton of elements- double the canon amount or something.  And that's not even getting into stuff like combination elements and minor powers and stuff.

[Silvan Haven]

We don't use the Extended Universe stuff here.

[Endless Sea (Alaki Nuva)]

I'm aware.  Just letting people know that other people in the forums have used the term mercury for Bionicle stuff before.

[Keeper of Kraata]

Mercury should exist, if cinnabar exists as an ore. Since the element was extracted as early as Roman times, I would think that Onu-Koro would have extraction furnaces.

[Silvan Haven]

And Ta-koro.

[Nato G]

I think the technology level of the island is sufficient for more exotic metals - like mercury - to be in existence.

[Keeper of Kraata]

It would probably be referred to as quicksilver, rather than mercury, though.

[Eyru]

Being I play a Fe-Toa myself I would think since mercury is liquid at room temperature they could change it from liquid to solid. But what do I know.

 

Just a quick note: a Fe-Toa would not be able to change mercury from a liquid to a solid because that would require changing its temperature, which is strictly the domain of Ta- and Ko-Toa. Just like how Ga-Toa can't change water into ice: they control the substance, not its temperature.

[Ghosthands]

Mercury should exist, if cinnabar exists as an ore.

 

 

This is the main point. Can cinnabar be found on Mata Nui? I don't know, but that decision lies firmly in the hands of the staff.

 

My gut feeling would be to say 'no', mainly because giving Fe-Toa the ability to create liquid metals would add one more to a power-set that is already formidable.

[Krayzikk]

I concur with Ghost. There's no basis (that I recall) for controlling more than one state of a given element, and more than a little against. Toa of Iron are already quite powerful, as well.

 

Additionally, even if such metal exists on the island there's nothing to say it's common. All in all, if Ghost agrees, I would say that adding new and more exotic metals to their repertoire wouldn't be encouraged. And that the manipulation of liquid metal probably isn't something they can do.

[25K Now!]

First you let in mercury, then the next thing you know there'll be Toa of Iron throwing around copernicium, giving everyone radiation sickness without anyone noticing because it might be a gas at room temperature.

 

Metals.

 

Not even once.

[Keeper of Kraata]

Well there goes my idea of a mad hatter fe-turaga slinging around quicksilver.

 

Also, while we don't really have a precedent for multiple states of matter, I believe it IS necessary to mention that Plasma technically encapsulates an entire state.

 

 

Edit: I do think there should be a decision between 'doesn't exist' and 'can't control it'. Since it's kinda silly that an entire mineral with a host of actual uses is banned for something some people can't do with it.

Edited December 3, 2014 by Keeper of Kraata

[Ghosthands]

As of this post, the invasion of Ko-Koro is over. We are now timeskipping forward a couple of days, to 'sync up' with the rest of the island. I will soon provide a post detailing what has happened during that time.

 

Until then, please do not post as characters in Ko-Koro. The rest of the Wahi is still open for RPing, but consider the Koro itself frozen until the timeskip post is up.

 

(Edit: hehe...Ko-Koro...frozen...)

Edited December 3, 2014 by Ghosthands

[Keeper of Kraata]

Woot woot! And just in time for my coursework to be (almost) finished!

[silo]

Only just got time to post, so...

What can a Fa-Toa do that a Fe-Toa can't, then?

From what I understand, Fa-Toa can:

• Manipulate ferrous metals.
• Magnetize ferrous metals.

And Fe-Toa can:

• Create ferrous and non-ferrous metals.
• Manipulate ferrous and non-ferrous metals.
• Absorb ferrous and non-ferrous metals.

That seems like a few more powers...

Edited December 3, 2014 by Sil

[Ehksidian]

Only just got time to post, so...

What can a Fa-Toa do that a Fe-Toa can't, then?

From what I understand, Fa-Toa can:

• Manipulate ferrous metals.
• Magnetize ferrous metals.

And Fe-Toa can:

• Create ferrous and non-ferrous metals.
• Manipulate ferrous and non-ferrous metals.
• Absorb ferrous and non-ferrous metals.

That seems like a few more powers...

Fa-Toa can also manipulate magnetic fields in general. While a Fe-Toa could, say, make iron or metals in general, they couldn't alter the magnetic properties of said metal. A Fa-Toa could, however, do so. They cannot alter the structure of metal, but they can magnetize it, or even magnetize non-ferrous objects (Given enough power, that is; it's not exactly easy to do that.) They can also simply create magnetic fields with no metallic source as well.

If you get creative enough (Not in the "how far can i stretch the feasibility of what magnetism can do", or "Let me exploit physics concepts my character couldn't possibly understand), you can do a lot of things a Fe-Toa can't.

Like, say, stick to walls using magnetism (A lot of ele power would be needed to hold so much mas, though), or stealing money from someone without them noticing by just drawing it out (Again, magnetizing a not-wholly-ferrous anything isn't the easiest thing in the world to do), or...not even magnetizing a non-ferrous material, but just putting a magnetic field near it that could function like it was a magnetized substance could work...not sure if that would be wholly okay with the staff, but it's possible I guess?

But yeah, Fe-Toa do have a lot of abilities, but it only lies within the manipulation of metals which they would have to know about, whereas Fa-Toa have control over magnetic fields in general, not control over magnetic substances, other than altering said substances using magnetism, like moving some iron by sticking a magnetic field near it.

[Not Quite Dead]

To add to that, if a Fe-Toa can "shoot" a piece of metal like an arrow, it's still against the force of gravity. If that makes sense.

 

Where as a Fa-Toa can utilize magnetism, which is waaaay stronger. So the same arrow is more like a high powered rifle. The real money is in a Fa/Fe-Toa duo. That would be fun. Fa and Vo could do some crazy stuff as well.