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Editing can sometimes cause a coding glitch

Posted by Kragghle on Feb 22 2013 - 03:20 PM

:kaukau: Sometimes when I edit a post, all of the coding shows up in "<>" signs instead of "[]" signs, but that's really not the only problem.  If that was all I had to content with, then so be it.  The problem could be solved in relatively short order through some Word tools, but the problem I have here is that there are other random things of text that get injected into my posts upon editing, making the editing process to take forever when I have to clean out all of these details.  This is especially annoying for longer posts, such as my BZPRPG profiles and ones such as the following:
 
 
 

<p><span style="color:#0000ff;"><span style="font-size:12px;">AFTERWORD:</span> This story was written one Monday night for something called the Fortnightly Flash Fiction Contest, until I realized that there was a word limit. &nbsp;Otherwise, I decided to take the theme of &quot;Pathfinding&quot; and use the strongest images to come to my mind, stringing together a story that, for me, was like a night of steady dreams. &nbsp;Sometimes I dream and create a story, and the dream is interesting enough that I will put off waking up until it is finished. &nbsp;Then it is gone, and I forget the dream, but even though it was ultimately very simple, there was something incredibly intriguing about it that sticks with me, and I remember the desires I had in my slumber to continue on with the path of these apparitions to their very end.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Looking back, I realize that there were things going on in my life as I wrote this, and I know what meaning this story has for me. &nbsp;How this applies to my life, I won't tell anyone. &nbsp;That's for me to know, and if people cannot decipher its true meaning, than that's good. &nbsp;As Don McLean said,&nbsp;&quot;You will find many interpretations of my lyrics but none of them by me.... Sorry to leave you all on your own like this but long ago I realized that songwriters should make their statements and move on, maintaining a dignified silence.&quot; &nbsp;He wrote my favorite song, &quot;American Pie&quot;, which has inspired me as an author ever since, especially in stories such as this. &nbsp;People can find their own interpretations for all they like and try to understand the story, and I have written it so that in some sort of way it makes intuitive sense, but I will not explain what I was trying to express on a deeper level, or what was truly going on in Monosmith's head.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">What I will say is that everything in this story makes complete sense when viewed in light of the greater mythology in which it takes place. &nbsp;The apparent contradictions have their explanations, and there are, in fact, a number of things within this story that nobody will notice but secretly affected everything. &nbsp;Almost every paragraph included a subtle reference to something greater within the mythology, and literally every exchange between Monosmith and Soul Struggle had a much deeper subtext. &nbsp;In this story, nothing is as it seems. &nbsp;I am content with that, especially since I wanted to be completely true to my mythology without giving anything away. &nbsp;The result is a story in which the characters and events do not all make complete sense on the surface, but seen within the context of their respective stories, it is a very truthful account of who they would be in this particular instant.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I make a great effort not to define my characters through characterization. &nbsp;That turns them into a jumble of personality traits and quirks, a science of behavior patterns and typecasting. &nbsp;People are more complex than that, they contradict themselves, and are ultimately more than just personalities. &nbsp;I see Monosmith, Buzzy, and Soul each as a person with a story. &nbsp;None of these are revealed, except for the end of Soul Struggle's story when she becomes Beautiful Soul. &nbsp;She receives what is perhaps the least characterization of them all, and is defined in this story purely by her actions and what is hinted at about her dark past. &nbsp;I as the author have a better idea of what her story is within the official mythology that inspired this non-canon piece, but ultimately, that it not important. &nbsp;What matters is that she's an open book, someone who fills the readers with questions. &nbsp;There was not enough time to characterize her, especially since the story did not take place from her perspective, and I didn't want to share what she meant to me personally, nor give any hints, so it is ultimately up to the reader to get invested, think critically, and use some intuition to create a character that matches the person who displayed these actions, and by all means I hope they create something pleasing to them.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Now, in response to some of the things Nuile said:</span></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">There's obviously a deeper story behind this one, but as a reader it doesn't make me happy that you're keeping it a secret from me.</blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Well, that's true. &nbsp;I think this is a matte of preference, though, and as a writer, I think I accomplished what I set out to achieve. &nbsp;For reasons stated in my afterword (not wanting to give away spoilers, desiring to guard my own heart, wanting a dreamlike sensation), I was clearly not going to explain everything, so much as hope that the reader knows everything makes sense on some level. &nbsp;It takes a little faith, but not much.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">And trust me, your statement was only the tip of the iceberg. &nbsp;If you're ever watched&nbsp;<em>The Usual Suspects</em>, there are several moments within the story with a &quot;Keyser Soze&quot; detail (If you haven't seen that movie, I'm not going to explain what that reference means).</span></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">I think this could be smoothed over in the opening by, for one thing, cutting out the first seven paragraphs and going straight to the action scene. That scene was pretty straightforward--until the part about the laser-flashlight, which of course demands further illumination already. Problem is, at least the initial paragraphs introduced the flashlight, whereas without them it would really come into the story out of nowhere.</blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I decided I wanted it to be that way. &nbsp;As it happens, you were reading the first draft, which I have now replaced with the second draft. &nbsp;The second draft actually resolves this problem somewhat with a little extra foreshadowing. &nbsp;It may or may not be within your taste, but I don't think that it can objectively be judged as either being in &quot;good taste&quot; or &quot;bad taste&quot;. &nbsp;It is what it is, and it was how I wanted to write it in hindsight. &nbsp;I don't think that the second draft will please you much more, since I know what your tastes are in this regard, but hopefully you might think of this as being a little more elegant than before.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Meanwhile, I wanted the story to start with Monosmith talking to Buzzy. &nbsp;I could have started it later, but to me,&nbsp;<em>this</em> was where the story started. &nbsp;It was really important for me that they be whispering to each other.</span></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">A guy named Monosmith has a sword named Thomas.</blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">There's an incredibly deep and meaningful story to both these names, actually, but that probably doesn't surprise you. &nbsp;Of course, it does make a little more sense in context. &nbsp;This story isn't about explaining the context, though.</span></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">Okay, so I read the story through and I still don't know what an Aardse is. I cannot understand why Soul Struggle was not described. It bewilders me that it was revealed with such abrupt suddenness that Monosmith is one. And I wonder why Monosmith hasn't any wings, because Soul Struggle, fellow Aardse, does.</blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I mustered an evil chuckle when I read this. &nbsp;And no, I'm not telling you why. &nbsp;This was one of the most satisfying parts of your response to read.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Actually, though, I think that what was important to me was to give the sense that there was a bond, but it played no purpose into the story to explain what an Aardse was. &nbsp;I might not have even mentioned species at all, save for the feel of a mystic fantasy story I wanted to go for, and I also wanted to give a name for the type of person Soul Struggle was, to give a sense that she was different, and to give a name to the nature of the bonding experience between her and Monosmith. &nbsp;I'm glad it makes you curious, but this is definitely not a story for answers, mainly just questions.</span></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">The development of the relationship between Monosmith and Soul Struggle was unnaturally hasty. Soul Struggle has some vaguely adumbrated power to inspire comfort in her companions, all right, that's an excuse; but it's a small and obscure one, not to mention a cheap one even if the point was elaborated further. Monosmith warmed up to her too quickly.</blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I didn't want to make a big deal out of it since the characters didn't make a big deal out of it, but what they were experiencing was a &quot;literal spirit of honesty&quot;. &nbsp;When I said &quot;literal&quot;, I meant &quot;literal&quot;. &nbsp;A spirit of honesty surrounds her.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Here's where I will throw you a bone. &nbsp;Many Aardses have spirits around them. &nbsp;There was one named Hero, and he had a spirit of unity and music about him, which basically inspired people to be able to sing in unison a song they didn't even know (presuming that they were willing). &nbsp;Another might have a spirit of courage, which could inspire people who desired to do good but were held back by fear. &nbsp;Soul Struggle relationship with nature was to be surrounded by a spirit of honesty. &nbsp;I don't regret not elaborating on that, but it's interesting that you bring it up, and that's a question I'm perfectly happy to answer outside of the story.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Also, trust me, Monosmith wasn't affected by the spirit in any way. &nbsp;And there's a ton of backstory for that, too. &nbsp;As for the true nature for why he &quot;warmed up to her&quot; (Why did I put that in quotation marks, hm? &nbsp;Maybe because I'm suggesting that this presumption is an illusion, or maybe I'm just trying to mess with you. &nbsp;You never know.), I'm not going to reveal it. &nbsp;There was, as with everything else, a bunch of story and elements from the mythology that were being pulled into this. &nbsp;There was definitely a whole second conversation going on that you couldn't see, and I'm content to have people guess.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">My main regret, however, is that as a written story, there are certain things that I cannot do. &nbsp;I'm not going to spend paragraphs describing how these characters are acting, because that would be too&nbsp;cumbersome&nbsp; but I would love it if it was possible to act this scene out and present it visually. &nbsp;I imagine this story with certain faces and acting styles in mind, and if you could see the actors in this scene, it would completely change the chemistry of what's going on, and would add an entirely different element to the story. &nbsp;Since I couldn't do that, I decided not to worry about that. &nbsp;I have an image in my head for this scene that, as its originator, I can keep it constant every time. &nbsp;However, for everyone else, the unique advantage to this medium is that they can imagine the chemistry in this scene in a different way every time, and it isn't solidified or confined to a single image. &nbsp;The moment something is put on film, it's frozen and concrete, and lacks the magic of the shifting images that come with reading.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Just putting that out there. &nbsp;If you want the same ideas put into more charming words, read Stephen King's forward to&nbsp;<em>The Stand</em>.</span></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">He has, it seems, a propensity for doing that. And yet, he never smiles, suggesting a character far less warm than he seems to possess. I love Monosmith--he's intriguingly mysterious, with a stolid, husky charisma. But his capriciously amorous ways are stereotypical, and moreover seem incongruent with his personality. As for Buzzy and Soul Struggle, they didn't seem to have much personality at all. Buzzy struck me as the jovial, effervescent type; I'm not quite sure what gave me that impression, but I got it, and was disappointed that he never acted in accordance with that impression. He himself said he was a friendly type--but his conduct was not as friendly as it should have been. Soul Struggle was, I thought, meant to be impersonal; she was something of a phantom, intended to be vague and ethereal in character. But against all this she displays an amount of emotion that, without personality, makes her all the emptier.</blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">He's, uh, incredibly complicated. &nbsp;Since this is kind of common knowledge in the Ambage, it's odd that you wouldn't know this by now, but Monosmith is essentially myself in my literary world. &nbsp;I takes notes on myself all the time to create a comprehensive image of who I am as a person. &nbsp;As it turns out, I'm filled with contradictions, but I kind of knew that. &nbsp;It's interesting to see how a fantasy narrative of who I am as a person turns out.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">As for Buzzy, I didn't find it necessary to characterize him so much, because this wasn't his story. &nbsp;The emphasis was mainly on Monosmith, with some open ends with Soul Struggle. &nbsp;You are correct when you interpret him as jovial, although that doesn't necessarily mean his behavior must at all times be effervescent. &nbsp;Again, I'm not going to explain him, but he's a complex character as well, and he acted within that character for this particular appearance. &nbsp;I definitely know how to characterize when he gets into a situation where he's allowed to shine, but he was primarily in this story as someone to help ground Monosmith and not as a character to be characterized, but as a person with a story.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I'm just wondering, though, as to why you thought his conduct was unfriendly.</span></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">If his Aardse sense was tingling I would have liked to know.</blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">More backstory.</span></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">One moment the IDTD was stolen by the creatures, and the next Soul Struggle had it. That, too, was confusing and abrupt</blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Ah, see, this is one of the problems I will agree with you on, since you were reading my first draft of the story and I was unaware that I had posted my first draft on BZPower instead of my second draft. &nbsp;Had I known, I would not have wanted you to read it. &nbsp;The missing element was added in my own proofreading.</span></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">What&nbsp;<em>did</em>&nbsp;I like about the story? I&nbsp;<em>loved</em>&nbsp;the concept. I loved the characters and I wanted more out of them, and to see more of them. I wanted to know what an Aardse was and what they did. I wanted to know where the characters were and what these semi-invisible native demons were. I wanted to know more about Craytus and nuadines and I wanted to know where that random beast at the end came from. In general I wanted what this story severely lacked. <strong>But this is just the sort science fantasy I like, a mingling of classic sci-fi with mythology and spiritualism, filled with wisdom, big-picture profundity, and allegorical significance.</strong></blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I have good news for you: I will write more with these characters. &nbsp;Of course, I already discussed theis with you in private. &nbsp;But really, it was a treat when you managed to describe the feel of the story with the sentence that I just put in bold, which are all the right words I could have ever used to describe how I want my creative vision to be seen. &nbsp;With that, I know I have succeeded in creating exactly the type of atmosphere I want for this series.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">In many ways, the story was actually concept art and falls under impressionism more than realism and romanticism.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Also, you mentioned Craytus, this being the second time in this review you have mentioned him, and I only mentioned him once in passning in the story. &nbsp;I find that pretty interesting. &nbsp;Of course, I implied that the character was&nbsp;<em>important</em>, but I only said it in passing, and it's interesting that of all things, this was something specific that piqued your interest. &nbsp;I definitely look forward to future stories and my web serial answering questions you might have on him and the Aardses sometime soon.</span></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">I want to read more; unless it means I have to suffer your mercilessly lax grammar, vacuous word choice, uninformative descriptions, undeveloped characterization, vagueness, and precipitation.</blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Don't worry, don't worry. &nbsp;In fact, the only reason&nbsp;<em>The Adventures of Mary</em> aren't published yet is because I'm going to rake through the chapters I have already written to flesh out the characters I invented from scratch. &nbsp;The vagueness won't be&nbsp;<em>as</em> vague, since I will be writing adventure stories instead of impressionism stories, so no worries there. &nbsp;And, of course, I will proofread to make for the best lyrical flow. &nbsp;That comes with rereading and fleshing out the characters.</span></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">&quot;Bite me.&quot;</blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Yeah, I built up to all sorts of stuff.</span></p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote">&quot;smiting this fiend&quot;</blockquote>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">I'm not going to change that line. &nbsp;It makes sense considering his speech patterns in other such instances. &nbsp;Yes, it sounds a bit odd in a standalone story, but I wasn't going to contradict what I knew about the character outside the story. &nbsp;That's also, more or less, his version of swearing.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:#0000ff;">Now that I got all that covered, it is my understanding that you will react to this story again from a different angle, which I look foreward to. &nbsp;I especially hope to get your&nbsp;<em>interpretation</em> of the story, because one of the purposes here is to promote discussion and to get people thinking. &nbsp;I'm eternally curious to see how stories influence people and what people get out of them.</span></p>
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As you can see, between just about every sentence is the random blob of text "&nbsp;" (without the quotation marks).  I'm getting sick and tired of coming across this occasional glitch, especially since I don't want to reconstruct my BZPRPG profiles one more time.
 

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Are you using Mobile? Because that is a known  issue?
 
Even if you're not using mobile, I supect the issues to be similar.

Yeah, it's converted it to HTML instead of BBCode. Don't know the cause of it, though it does often occur when posts are made from mobile. That doesn't seem to be the case here, though. I do know the way to fix it would for the staff to enable HTML in the forums, though I imagine they must have their reasons for disabling it.
 
&nbsp; is HTML for a non-breaking space, or " ". It's used to keep text from wrapping at the edge of a page, and has various other uses.


The Legendary TNT
Feb 22 2013 05:14 PM
This same thing happened to my MNOLG topic and I don't use the mobile version. I had to go through and fix the entire thing and fix the links. I hope someone would find a way to prevent it in case I have this problem again. That's why it doesn't get updated a lot (that and I'm just lazy :P ).

:kaukau: I am not using Mobile.
 

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We've just upgraded the forums, so let me know if it's still happening.

Yeah, sadly this is still hapening.

Let's check again now that we've upgraded, shall we?





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