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Issue Information

  • #000201

  • Suggestion



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BZPower's Activity

Posted by -Windrider- on Jun 14 2013 - 10:21 PM

I know that I am not simply imagining it. BZPower's activity is decreasing, and it worries me. I have been a member of this site for over a decade and I want to see it thrive; I want to see it progress, evolve, and live, and it needs an active population in order to do that.
 
I don't mean to be negative here; I mean for this ticket to be constructive. I want to encourage brainstorming so that we can develop ideas to pass on to the Administration in hopes of revitalizing this site.
 
I think the goal here is not necessarily to attempt to stop members from leaving. That is natural; our population is aging and people move on. What we need to do is increase the rate at which new members join the site. Not every new member will stick, but the higher the influx, the more that will hang around. There are quite a few members who joined after the new boards came online and have become active members of the community. That's good! But we need more.
 
So, I ask, how do we do this?
 
Suggestions made so far:
  • Consider looking at New Member post restrictions (Basilisk) and policy (Zeene) DONE!
    • Use of automated confirmation response for validation instead of manual approval (Zeene)
    • Single Sign-On (Zeene)
      • B6 has since stated that this feature does not seem to be supported.
    • Ability to view/edit posts waiting approval (Zeene)
    • Notification upon post approval (Zeene)
      • The above two options don't seem to be something Invision allows
  • Further vary/generalize the board's focus (Basilisk) in the direction of general LEGO (Meiko)
    • Rearrange the forums: discussion boards on top? (fishers64)
  • Remove outdated rules and other quasi-anachronistic policies and unwanted vestiges (Princess Grr)
    • Cut down on/simplify the rules (fishers64)
  • Reorganize and restructure the staff (Princess Grr)
    • Voting process for staff election? Fixed terms? (Phantom Terror)
    • (Perhaps this is something to worry about later; I am not sure the current staff structure has an effect on activity)
  • Promote a more welcoming staff image through its practices (Princess Grr)
    • Differentiate between warning messages for Proto drops and Proto boosts (Zeene)
      • (I agree here; I miss the old system)
    • Edit posts rather than delete them, unless it is an extreme circumstance (Reznas)
      • (Agree, and I am getting back into the practice of doing this. However, I have the feeling that many members do not go back and read their posts, effectively rendering the edit useless. Notification for when a moderator edits your post? Require the moderator to PM the member as well?)
    • More frequent Proto boosts (Phantom Terror)
  • Delegation of staff duties and projects to ensure efficiency and completion (Princess Grr)
    • (I'd argue that the Tracker has improved things greatly, but there is still room for improvement for sure.)
  • Affiliate with larger sites and promote the name of BZPower (Meiko) and advertising elsewhere (Reznas)
    • More active steps to recruit through conventions? (-Windrider-)
    • Loosen BZP's own advertising restrictions (Reznas, ~Shockwave~, Dralcax) DONE!
    • (I agree that loosening our own ad policy is of a critical priority.)
  • Front page overhaul (Dual Matrix)
  • More focus on SBCs (Phantom Terror, Dual Matrix)
  • A more democratic approach to moderation and site projects and policy (Reznas)
    • (There's a fine balance, here; see CeeCee's post. Also, I think the Tracker has really opened things up and the results speak for this. See the addition of the OTC forum, for example.)
  • Increase exposure of the LEGO and Creative Forums on the front page (fishers64)
    • (I think the staff had a good run of featuring member creations on the front page. I will encourage them to bring this practice back.)
  • Allow polls in appropriate forums and not confine them to the Voting Booth? (Gatanui) Or allow all members to make polls? (Taipu1) Or both? (HAZMAT) DONE!
  • Consider allowing posts to be counted in some forums that currently do not have posts counted (Sumiki, -Windrider-)
 
Related tickets:Related topics:

Also, on the Premeir Membership campaign, it's working greatly in my opinion, but I would reccomend possibly subtracting the "only premeir members can see their rank photo" thing. When I joined back in 2007ish, everybody could see their rank photo. I believe that that's a simple fix that a lot of people would appreciate. I still like the fact that only PMs can start blogs, games, polls, proto boosts, and contests. Those give people incentive to buy the PM. But nobody is going to buy something like that just for a gif image.
 
Also, I believe that proto boosts should be given out a lot more commonly. I've seen a lot of people on this site contribute and help others out, thus it would be logical to increase the amounts of proto boosts.

The rank image was one of the primary reasons I got Premier membership.  I don't use many of the perks, but I love the little images.  Obviously its very much down to the individual what their favourite premier perk is, but that's mine, and for that reason if I were in charge it would be the last thing I'd think of making freely available.  If I were to suggest a premier perk to be made available to all, it would be making polls.  The voting booth is just ridiculously dead, it has one topic.  Ultimately, if a normal member wants to make a poll, they can get it made anyway by PMing a premier member.  If ordinary members can make polls, we might see a little more activity in that forum. 


Also, on the Premeir Membership campaign, it's working greatly in my opinion, but I would reccomend possibly subtracting the "only premeir members can see their rank photo" thing. When I joined back in 2007ish, everybody could see their rank photo. I believe that that's a simple fix that a lot of people would appreciate. I still like the fact that only PMs can start blogs, games, polls, proto boosts, and contests. Those give people incentive to buy the PM. But nobody is going to buy something like that just for a gif image.
 
Also, I believe that proto boosts should be given out a lot more commonly. I've seen a lot of people on this site contribute and help others out, thus it would be logical to increase the amounts of proto boosts.

The rank image was one of the primary reasons I got Premier membership.  I don't use many of the perks, but I love the little images.  Obviously its very much down to the individual what their favourite premier perk is, but that's mine, and for that reason if I were in charge it would be the last thing I'd think of making freely available.  If I were to suggest a premier perk to be made available to all, it would be making polls.  The voting booth is just ridiculously dead, it has one topic.  Ultimately, if a normal member wants to make a poll, they can get it made anyway by PMing a premier member.  If ordinary members can make polls, we might see a little more activity in that forum.

@Phantom Terror: Everyone gets rank images during the anniversary week in July, which is probably when you joined. :P

@Taipu: Personally I think the Voting Booth forum is totally unnecessary anyway. Why not let people make polls in the respective forums?

-Gata Posted Image



-Windrider-
Jun 18 2013 03:38 PM
I think Black Six has stated that he is interested only in adding perks and not taking them away. That was a while back, though; I'm not sure of his thoughts now! In any case, I agree with Gatanui: Premier Members should be allowed to make polls in the appropriate forums and that we could likely do away with the Voting Booth. Changing that may not have a drastic effect on activity, but it might help a little?
 
As for more frequent Proto boosts, I have made an effort to recognize members with them ever since I got promoted to Forum Leader. Black Six has also mentioned that there are more boosts than drops these days, which is the opposite of how it used to be. I'll admit, however, that I feel like more staff members should join in the effort; even if a staff member is unable to adjust Proto levels, he or she could still keep an eye out for helpful members and make recommendations.
 
fishers: It is perfectly fine to be irate. Anger in itself is not dangerous; only how you express it (or don't express it!) can be. Thank you for expressing it constructively. I will talk to Black Six about the possibility of transferring this to a GD topic today, if he doesn't respond in here first.

Edited by -Windrider-, Jun 18 2013 - 03:55 PM.


On proto boosts, there is a problem with the Invision software that doesn't allow a whole subset of higher-ranking staff members to give or take proto even though all the appropriate permissions are checked, and therefore those staff members cannot do it (like me!) I cannot tell you how often I want to give proto (a lot more than I want to take it), but having to go through other staff members (and hoping they are online and able at the time, slash remember after I send a message) is annoying and frankly, not often worth my time. It's not something we can fix, but that is a reason.
 
My only other comment echoes one of the ones up above: if you want more discussion on other LEGO topics or whatnot, then make them happen. We can do all sorts of re-organziations and whatnot, but even if we do, like moving LEGO discussion up above the announcements forums (which doesn't make any sense to me at all?), where does that guarantee more discussion? The "other LEGO forum" people keep alluding to doesn't do it like that either, so I don't know why that would help if no one still wants to have those discussions. I know it seems like a Catch-22, but why would we put time into things like that if no one is going to use them? I guess that's the biggest problem here. We could add new forums for specific themes, but no one uses the things we have now. So I guess what it comes down to is if you want to have those other theme discussions or whatnot, then do it and the site architecture will follow.


-Windrider-
Jun 18 2013 09:24 PM
Yeah, it seems that a few of the suggestions made would better proposed after our goal here has been accomplished. So while they might not be viable now, keep them in mind!
 
Regarding the proposition of a GD topic for this, I asked Black Six and he believes we should stick with the Tracker. If you feel that this isn't getting enough attention, though, I encourage you to find ways to direct others this way so that they can participate.


~Shockwave~
Jun 19 2013 02:03 AM
Since we're on the subject, some of the PM perks leave a bad taste in my mouth, which is part of the reason I haven't bought it yet. I don't really see any of them changing though... Though if I thought giving the  money would help, I might be less hesitant.


Engineer Alexandra Humva
Jun 19 2013 03:09 PM

Though if I thought giving the  money would help, I might be less hesitant.

What exactly do you mean by that, though? Help you? Help the site? New premier member perks are always available to be suggested (I suggested one and even got it implemented, so it can happen), so if you have an idea, you can put it here or in its own dedicated ticket. If you mean that you need more proof you're helping the site... well, all money gained is used for the server. I highly doubt B6 or Dimensioneer are buying Red Lobster meals with the money. So, I mean, the server costs money to operate, and you're paying to keep it going. Simple as that. If you need more proof, well, what would suffice? A picture of the check being sent out each month?
 
Actually I think it's electronically paid so it'd be a screenshot. xD

Edited by Darth Alex Humva, Jun 19 2013 - 03:14 PM.


Since we're on the subject, some of the PM perks leave a bad taste in my mouth, which is part of the reason I haven't bought it yet. I don't really see any of them changing though... Though if I thought giving the  money would help, I might be less hesitant.

Which of them leave a bad taste and why? Not a lot we can do about anything if you don't expound.

One thing about the proto boosts:
 
I think nothing should be changed about the rate of which they are given in. Okay I admit I'm already a OPBZP but... I had to work for it, very hard. And well, IMO I'm not proud of the proto, but proud for the work I've put into it. So lowering it would decrease the amouth of statisfection gained, thus not improving the system.

One thing about the proto boosts:
 
I think nothing should be changed about the rate of which they are given in. Okay I admit I'm already a OPBZP but... I had to work for it, very hard. And well, IMO I'm not proud of the proto, but proud for the work I've put into it. So lowering it would decrease the amouth of statisfection gained, thus not improving the system.

 
Not to mention trying to earn proto just to earn proto is not encouraged on the forums. If the rate at which staff give out proto is much higher, people will take advantage of it and just report as many things as they can and help as much as they can and be an OPBZP in less than a month. As DM said, it takes a lot of work to gain proto. He earned 5 proto because of the hard work he did, and even me, with just 2 proto did not gain that without a lot of hard work. I'd prefer to get my proto knowing that I worked hard to help the site. If proto was given very freely, which, may I add, is already given quite often (B6 mentioned that in the past month [Or maybe couple of months?] the staff have given out +13 proto [Might not have the number right]), it would not be as much of an accomplishment as it is. And I like being able to tell myself I worked hard to gain my proto. I'm sure nearly everyone else that's earned proto feels the same way.
 
-Rez


The Malicious Phantom
Jun 20 2013 02:17 PM

 @Phantom Terror: Everyone gets rank images during the anniversary week in July, which is probably when you joined. :P
 

Nah, I originally signed up on BZP in late 2008, and my rank image was viewable all of the time. But my original account (bionicman27) was hacked and I never got into it again.
 

 


One thing about the proto boosts:

I think nothing should be changed about the rate of which they are given in. Okay I admit I'm already a OPBZP but... I had to work for it, very hard. And well, IMO I'm not proud of the proto, but proud for the work I've put into it. So lowering it would decrease the amouth of statisfection gained, thus not improving the system.

Not to mention trying to earn proto just to earn proto is not encouraged on the forums. If the rate at which staff give out proto is much higher, people will take advantage of it and just report as many things as they can and help as much as they can and be an OPBZP in less than a month. As DM said, it takes a lot of work to gain proto. He earned 5 proto because of the hard work he did, and even me, with just 2 proto did not gain that without a lot of hard work. I'd prefer to get my proto knowing that I worked hard to help the site. If proto was given very freely, which, may I add, is already given quite often (B6 mentioned that in the past month [Or maybe couple of months?] the staff have given out +13 proto [Might not have the number right]), it would not be as much of an accomplishment as it is. And I like being able to tell myself I worked hard to gain my proto. I'm sure nearly everyone else that's earned proto feels the same way.

-Rez
 

 
I wasn't suggesting to give it out freely, just to increase the number that is given out. Like I previously stated, there have been a lot of people who contributed to the forums and helped around in very significant ways, yet were never recognized for it.

Edited by Phantom Terror, Jun 20 2013 - 02:25 PM.



~Shockwave~
Jun 20 2013 02:24 PM

 


Though if I thought giving the  money would help, I might be less hesitant.

What exactly do you mean by that, though? Help you? Help the site? New premier member perks are always available to be suggested (I suggested one and even got it implemented, so it can happen), so if you have an idea, you can put it here or in its own dedicated ticket. If you mean that you need more proof you're helping the site... well, all money gained is used for the server. I highly doubt B6 or Dimensioneer are buying Red Lobster meals with the money. So, I mean, the server costs money to operate, and you're paying to keep it going. Simple as that. If you need more proof, well, what would suffice? A picture of the check being sent out each month?
 
Actually I think it's electronically paid so it'd be a screenshot. xD[/size]

That's not what I mean at all. I have no doubt where it's going. My only concern is that it might not be enough. and all the money in the world can't keep the forums alive. Simply on a form of life support. 

 


Since we're on the subject, some of the PM perks leave a bad taste in my mouth, which is part of the reason I haven't bought it yet. I don't really see any of them changing though... Though if I thought giving the  money would help, I might be less hesitant.

Which of them leave a bad taste and why? Not a lot we can do about anything if you don't expound.[/size]

The ability to create polls is a main one. And it's been shown what that does to that forum. I'm also not a fan  of the multi-person pms. if normal members had it to some capacity, I wouldn't mind so much. 


 


One thing about the proto boosts:

I think nothing should be changed about the rate of which they are given in. Okay I admit I'm already a OPBZP but... I had to work for it, very hard. And well, IMO I'm not proud of the proto, but proud for the work I've put into it. So lowering it would decrease the amouth of statisfection gained, thus not improving the system.

Not to mention trying to earn proto just to earn proto is not encouraged on the forums. If the rate at which staff give out proto is much higher, people will take advantage of it and just report as many things as they can and help as much as they can and be an OPBZP in less than a month. As DM said, it takes a lot of work to gain proto. He earned 5 proto because of the hard work he did, and even me, with just 2 proto did not gain that without a lot of hard work. I'd prefer to get my proto knowing that I worked hard to help the site. If proto was given very freely, which, may I add, is already given quite often (B6 mentioned that in the past month [Or maybe couple of months?] the staff have given out +13 proto [Might not have the number right]), it would not be as much of an accomplishment as it is. And I like being able to tell myself I worked hard to gain my proto. I'm sure nearly everyone else that's earned proto feels the same way.

-Rez
 
 

 
I wasn't suggesting to give it out freely, just to increase the number that is given out. Like I previously stated, there have been a lot of people who contributed to the forums and helped around in very significant ways, yet were never recognized for it.

 
I think you're missing my point. The staff know when to give proto and when not to. Not everyone has the same situation. You can make 50 reports and not get any proto, yet the other member over there can make 50 reports and get +2 proto. It's just how the system works. The staff give proto when they see fit. It really depends on the member and what kind of things they are doing to help the site. 50 very accurate reports can make a very significant comparison to 50 somewhat accurate reports.
 
-Rez

That's not what I mean at all. I have no doubt where it's going. My only concern is that it might not be enough. and all the money in the world can't keep the forums alive. Simply on a form of life support.

Premier Membership already doesn't cover the entirety of server costs (I doubt it ever did), it just reduces how much BZP's owners pay out of their own pocket.


~Shockwave~
Jun 20 2013 06:33 PM

 


That's not what I mean at all. I have no doubt where it's going. My only concern is that it might not be enough. and all the money in the world can't keep the forums alive. Simply on a form of life support.

Premier Membership already doesn't cover the entirety of server costs (I doubt it ever did), it just reduces how much BZP's owners pay out of their own pocket.

I am aware of this. Maybe I'll consider buying some. but still... Last time I checked, it was a bit pricey.

I don't know on the proto thing. The two boosts I got were for completely eccentric reasons, so I'm not sure I'm qualified to comment. :lol: (Seriously, both times I was like "What? I deserve proto for that?")

I think people should help out the site to help the site, not get proto, though.


-Windrider-
Jun 20 2013 11:50 PM

 I wasn't suggesting to give it out freely, just to increase the number that is given out. Like I previously stated, there have been a lot of people who contributed to the forums and helped around in very significant ways, yet were never recognized for it.

 

There is indeed the concern of Proto "inflation," as has been pointed out, but I just wanted to add that if you feel like a member deserves a boost, you can always suggest it to the appropriate staff member. It doesn't guarantee that he or she will get a Proto increase, but the option is there.


Guurahk Entertainer
Jun 21 2013 04:52 PM
The Advertisement Policy should really have some stuff removed. Not allowing links to other sites with forums damges both sites and the members of both sites. There are many people around here in BZP that don't know that all the old BIONICLE meida was saved, and they're really losing a great oportunity. It would make the members happier because they could link to other BIONICLE fansites, and it would get more people into BZP, too.
 
(At least add BioMedia Project to the safe list?)

The Advertisement Policy should really have some stuff removed. Not allowing links to other sites with forums damges both sites and the members of both sites. There are many people around here in BZP that don't know that all the old BIONICLE meida was saved, and they're really losing a great oportunity. It would make the members happier because they could link to other BIONICLE fansites, and it would get more people into BZP, too.
 
(At least add BioMedia Project to the safe list?)

 
And while you're doing that, make the safe list visible, so we at least know which places we can link to...


The Malicious Phantom
Jun 23 2013 03:34 PM
How about a longer period for topic revival?






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