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COT Library

Posted by Aderia on Nov 26 2012 - 08:14 PM

     I don’t like to think of myself as a stickler for organization, but sometimes there are certain things that are just a bit too chaotic for my brain. One being the matter of a COT Library, here on BZP. I’m not addressing it just for my sake, either. I know the majority of BZPower’s writing community would benefit from this. From what I know, there have been disagreements over this matter. I took the time to organize opinions, statements, and facts here in favor of getting a separate COT Library. There is necessity, there is demand, and there are writers and readers alike ready to run it.

          I. Necessity

     I’ve seen many stories from great authors while browsing on BZP. Ever since the Bionicle storyline ended, more and more stories have sprung up in the COT forum. The problem is that the perfectly decent stories in COT disappear in the mass of other topics, sometimes vanishing into the back-pages in a matter of hours. Sure, some dedicated readers will dig for the lost diamonds in the rough, but for the most part, they don’t even realize what they’re missing. The same problem exists for the writers who decide to publish their stories on their blog, except with the added hiccup that they may not have a blog. Worst case scenario, and this has happened, stories get ignored, authors lose self esteem, people leave BZP, lose/lose in the end.

          II.Demand

     One of the reasons so many accomplished BZP authors have started expanding into COT is because there is no canon Bionicle storyline to fuel their fanfictions anymore. Basically, they’ve moved on. If they see that they can’t work in COT, they’ll move on.


4.) Do you want a CoT Library? Why? If a CoT Library existed, how often would you make use of it?

No and no. There are other writing sites to post CoT work on. Posting it on here is not prudent IMO. You can get money for that stuff.

(Source)

     I’m not calling anyone out here. This quote just leads nicely into my next point. Basically, home will be where the heart is.

     I’m not the only writer who started off here on BZP. I’ve made quite a few friends with whom I write. It would be great to be able to share a story that doesn’t revolve around robots who are more or less talking flamethrowers, leaf blowers, power washers, etc. living inside giant robots. I’d like to be able to do so without my work being overwhelmed by the rest of COT. Not only that, I’d like to share it with readers who are already familiar with my work. Getting money for my writing, as of now, is not something I am capable of. If it were, I would not still be here.

          III. Population

     I know for a fact that there are multiple staff members ready,willing, more than capable of moderating the COT Library.

      And for the people.


4.) Do you want a CoT Library? Why? If a CoT Library existed, how often would you make use of it?
(I imagine most writers are in favor of this one, despite how unlikely it is. Unless, of course, you enjoy having your CoT written work get kicked into obscurity within hours.)

(Source)

A COT Library would be nice, but I'm not sure how often I'd use it, considering the vast majority of my BZP stories are Bionicle fanfics. Definitely would support it, though, if only to help COT stories get more attention.

(Source)

Yes, I do want a COT Library. I don't usually post COT stuff here because there's no real point - why post if nobody will ever see it again after an hour? That's no fun. However, at this point in time I don't think a COT Library would need to be split into things like SS, Epics, and Comedies.

(Source)

I think my thoughts on this are fairly obvious, but to those who do not know me: Yes, I definitely want a COT Library. BZPower has been incredibly influential to me as a writer -- it's where I began, and BZPower is where I first gained interest in writing in the first place. Not to mention I have made many friends who are also writers on here. As such, I'd love to be able to keep writing here and sharing my works here (as I no longer write Bionicle fanfiction), without them getting buried in a matter of, sometimes, hours. I think a whole COT Creative Outlet could be extremely beneficial (just a single forum, even) to all creative members here. I have written, literally, pages of arguments for having a COT Library, and am definitely in full support.

How often would I use it? Very often. I'd try to post at least once a day there, if not more. I'd love to have a forum for the writing community (or even just art community in general) on BZPower.

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I would like a COT Library. It would be really helpful for members who post COT epics, short shories, and comedies. (And I bet it would help get more reviews too.) I would probably use it as much as I use the current Library forums- not often. :P

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Yeah. It makes it much easier to find stories in the random area that is CoT. I would probably visit it regularly to look for stories to read.

(Source)

4.) Do you want a CoT Library? Why? If a CoT Library existed, how often would you make use of it?

Yes! Most certainly yes. My stories are forever getting buried by stupid "What are you listening to" topics and such. I'd make use of it quite a lot if it existed.

(Source)

     Although the number of people in favor of a COT Library outweighs the number of people against the a COT Library, the opinions represented in the BZP Library Discussion Topic do not speak for everyone. Understand also, I am aware this is not a numbers game, nor am I trying to turn this into one.

     One of those arguments against a COT library has already been addressed above. Here is the second.

4.) Do you want a CoT Library? Why? If a CoT Library existed, how often would you make use of it?


I doubt a CoT Library will ever happen. There's a good amount of members posting their non-LEGO stories in CoT and blogs, so I know there is a bit of a demand. But if B6 allows a CoT Library, it would open the door for creating a CoT-whatever-else-creative-forum just because of demand. This could result in many non-BIONICLE or LEGO forums. The BZP Administration wants to keep the site focused primarily on BIONICLE and secondary on LEGO. I understand their reasoning. In the end, it's their call, not mine.

If there was a CoT Library, I'm not sure how much I personally would use it, as I'm no longer interested in sharing the things I write on BZP.

(Source)

     Making a COT Library wouldn’t be about making a non-LEGO forum. Making a non-LEGO/BIONICLE forum would be throwing in video game discussion, real life discussion, etc. etc. Allowing a COT Library is allowing creativity to be expressed, which is what LEGO is all about.Looking at how things stand today, the behemoth that is COT is essentially smothering the work that writers produce.




     In the long run, not having a COT Library would be harmful to BZPower. People have been coming to BZP all these years. Since BIONICLE, an essential part of the foundation of this community, has stopped moving forwards, its only a matter of time before the community itself follows. Even now, the traffic that could be flowing through stories that don't tell about Toa and Matoran. But traffic can't flow through a road that's been buried in an avalanche of other topics, right? It turns around and finds another road, never to be seen again. And we don't want that.

     A COT Library would be easy to manage with experienced writers and leaders running it, and a close-knit group of responsible writers from all the branches of the original Library working there. Additionally, it would not detract from the LEGO-esque ideal upheld by BZPower. It would bolster it by promoting creativity.


     Multiple writers can trace their roots in the craft to here on BZPower, where they began. If a writing pastime on a Lego Fansite blossomed into a successful writing career, it would be a bragging point for BZP. A perfect example would be our very own Galigee. Lots of good has come and is coming from the BZP Library, and opening up a COT Library would keep it that way.

     In short, implementing a COT Library would be low risk, running it would be low maintenance, and if it turns out to be a flop, there is nothing lost.

A well made case....and a convincing one. I'd certainly like to see a COT library about.

An excellent idea, and I'm not just saying that because my opinion remains the same as the "Past Cederak" you quoted there. I'd love to see this put into motion and I'm thrilled to see you put together the idea here. :)

-Ced

As said before, excellent work writing this up, and I fully support this.

well i'm definitely supporting this idea we've been needing something like this


Commander Viral
Nov 26 2012 11:10 PM


4.) Do you want a CoT Library? Why? If a CoT Library existed, how often would you make use of it?


I doubt a CoT Library will ever happen. There's a good amount of members posting their non-LEGO stories in CoT and blogs, so I know there is a bit of a demand. But if B6 allows a CoT Library, it would open the door for creating a CoT-whatever-else-creative-forum just because of demand. This could result in many non-BIONICLE or LEGO forums. The BZP Administration wants to keep the site focused primarily on BIONICLE and secondary on LEGO. I understand their reasoning. In the end, it's their call, not mine.

If there was a CoT Library, I'm not sure how much I personally would use it, as I'm no longer interested in sharing the things I write on BZP.

(Source)

     Making a COT Library wouldn’t be about making a non-LEGO forum. Making a non-LEGO/BIONICLE forum would be throwing in video game discussion, real life discussion, etc. etc. Allowing a COT Library is allowing creativity to be expressed, which is what LEGO is all about.Looking at how things stand today, the behemoth that is COT is essentially smothering the work that writers produce.


Adding on to this:


I have yet to see anything else in CoT that has a demand, need, and a legit backing to have it's own Forum. The majority of other topics that crop up in CoT fall into a few categories:
A: Too sparse and any Forum would merely die.
B: Active enough that they're nearly always on the front page and thus have little need for a Topic of their own.
C: Do not have any demand to get their own Forum as their would be little benefit.

However a CoT Library would also make it easier for stories to be read, meaning that writers would get reviews back and be able to continue polishing their pieces. No other topic in CoT that doesn't fall into point A has this benefit. A CoT Library is unique in that it fits seamlessly with LEGO's goal, to inspire creativity.

Creating a CoT Library does not mean throwing common sense out the window in favor of demand, because it has legit reasons. If it is approved it won't be simply out of popular demand, but because there is a valid backing for it. It has reasons that make sense for a community like BZPower to embrace it. And as LEGO's motto says, "Only the best, is the best." Thus only what is legitimate should get any sort of special recognition in CoT, and the only thing that meets that criteria is a CoT Library.

Edited by Toa Onarax, Nov 26 2012 - 11:12 PM.



~Shockwave~
Nov 26 2012 11:10 PM
yes, this would be so nice.


Yolanda Squarble Fried #1
Nov 27 2012 12:37 AM
I support this idea.

Stories in CoT are the only topics that really suffer, because they aren't the kind of topics you can dash off a five-second reply to, like so many of the topics there. Sure, there are many people interested in reading CoT stories, but the topics simply get buried too quickly to be read.

Post-it-here topics like "Describe the avatar above you" require so small a response that they never have to worry about leaving the front page. RPG topics, too tend to stay on the front page because they require a commitment; people keep coming back and posting. But stories require both time and only a one-time post; they're at a disadvantage, and disappear quickly.

So, yes, I am in favour of a CoT Library. It would be a valuable asset to the community of BZP, especially with BIONICLE gone. The Library is following a trend of decreasing activity, and that's simply due to the BIONICLE story having ended over two years ago. It would be very fitting to pass the torch to a CoT Library to keep BZP's writing community alive and flourishing.

Totally support this

No and no. There are other writing sites to post CoT work on. Posting it on here is not prudent IMO. You can get money for that stuff.


I feel I must refute this. It has two major errors:

1) many writers will not want to get published with their current level of work (like myself) and are just writing for fun. A simple suggestion in the CoT library rules would cover those who do intend to publish their work.
2) My major COT work is fanfiction. COT can be very fanfictiony; ergo this point is invalid on those grounds alone.

I am definitely 100% in favor of this (I know, obvious statement is obvious). I can really see no downside to it. Sure, it's not a LEGO forum, but as Aderia and others have said, it wouldn't really be taking away from the LEGO aspect of the site, all it'd be doing is promoting creativity and allowing stories to actually have a presence in COT without getting bogged down in a couple hours by all the other topics.

Great job with this, Aimee. And I'm honestly (albeit extremely happily) surprised by how much support it's gotten already.

@ Zar ~ Exactly. It's not an easy task getting published. Even some incredibly famous authors such as C. S. Lewis, Vince Flynn, Stephen King, John le Carre, J.K. Rowling, etc. were rejected many, many times. I could go on, but the bottom line is: getting published is hard work. Besides, sometimes people aren't looking to get money for their writing, or at least not at this point. Heck, if you're writing Bionicle fanfiction then you fit that profile perfectly. Not having a COT library because you can make money for your stories elsewhere is a little ridiculous, IMO. Sure, maybe you could get some money (publish it in a magazine or something), but if that's not what you want to do, then why shouldn't you post your stories here? Which is exactly what many, many people do. Unfortunately, the stories get buried quickly, hence the want for a COT Library. And Zar makes another good point -- a lot of COT work is fanfiction, which can't be published anyway.

Besides, it's really up to each individual writer if he or she wants to post stories somewhere, and I wouldn't call it not prudent either way. If you want to post here, great. If not, that's great too! Because it's 100% up to you. But for those that do want to post their stories here (and there's many people who do), I just have the opinion of "why not?" Plus there's the whole nostalgia side to it. I started writing because of BZPower. I may not write Bionicle fanfiction any more, but I still want to post my writing here because of what BZPower has done for me.

/rant over for now


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:shrugs: I suppose others do not share my opinion. If you all want a CoT Library, you may as well have it. I may not post work there, but if the admins will allow it, there's no reason why you can't have it.

I simply would not use it for the reasons I stated.

:kaukau: I find this to be an interesting issue, but putting personal feelings on the matter aside, I don't find it urgent. Like many here, I am an avid writer, perhaps more so than some of the writers quoted. For those who don't know me, I write regularly and the only reason why I haven't done much lately is because I am currently participating in NaNoWriMo.

However, I have noticed that the reason there is a need for a CoT Library comes from the current trend in CoT where short stories disappear within a matter of hours. This would not be a problem if people reviewed and commented more often, and it's just that this is not CoT's current climate. At present we have something known as the Ambage, a group of writers who is trying to do the writing community justice and support each other. If we lived up to our intentions, then the point of the CoT Library would be moot, and we would each stockpile comments up on each others' stories, inside and outside of the Ambage. It's only a matter of willingness to overlook all of the other topics out there when one visits CoT and putting their mind to reading posts marked as literature. There is talk of doing a lot of reviewing in December to give stories all the attention they've been missing out on. I think this is a wonderful idea, and if anything it could potentially prove a CoT Library unnecessary, as then all the topics in the forums, the regular stuff and the literature, will get their due amounts of attention.

In other words, I would want to see an honest attempt at a simple change in CoT culture before making what one might consider an analogue to a "constitutional amendment" within BZPower's structure.

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bleedingshadows94
Nov 28 2012 04:28 PM
I would love to see a COT library! There are only so many other creative outlets that people can go to in order to share their stories. The website that shall not be named, with the little gray devil mascot *cough* can only be used so much, and is not the best method of getting stories out, as most people go on the sight in order to browse pictures, not ficlets. Most other websites that allow for fanfiction posting mostly rely on slash fics in order to keep their traffic up, and that includes the website that is named after the art of writing fanfictions itself.

But the ability to post COT on BZP would be a big improvement, IMO, since we'd be able to see and share the things that we actually enjoy doing. I like writing, but not all of my stories are purely devoted to Bionicle/Lego, and I actually like it when my work gets recognized, even just a little. If it's ignored, as is usually the case, I tend to not open my document manager for months at a time because I find my own work inadequate. But something like this would allow me, as well as many others, to express other works and boost their self-esteem, which is something I feel BZP should work towards, as a courtesy to its members.

~Tobi


Hahli Husky
Nov 28 2012 07:25 PM
Cool to see this subject brought up here. :) I know stories are getting smothered in COT, but given that the idea was rejected multiple times previously, it just seems like something writers have to live with, and just go to other writing forums to post their non-Bionicle work. If B6 is for it after seeing the demand and support, then that'd be awesome for you guys. But if not, I hope that B6's wishes for the site will be respected.

It would also be interesting to see if COT role-players and artists would start asking for their own forums, as well. Just because you haven't seen requests for other COT creative forums doesn't mean there haven't been requests for them, as well. And I've been told that there have been a good amount of such requests.

Edited by Hahli Husky, Dec 01 2012 - 04:22 PM.



Lord of Ice
Nov 28 2012 08:05 PM
I would love for this to happen. I think it would be a great way to show off members creative ideas on the site. So this has my vote


Toa Smoke Monster
Nov 29 2012 04:24 PM
I definitely support this. I think that it would help members who want to post non-Bionicle stories without them vanishing from the first page of the CoT Forum without getting a review or two. It would also make such stories easier to find if one wished to do so.

+1 Support

A nice addition to the creative side of the boards, and the board themselves.

I support 100%

I'd love to see this happen! And I don't think it would turn the forum's attention away from Bionicle/Lego, it would just help those who are already posting stories in CoT to get more notice, and hopefully to encourage those hesitant writers to get their stories out there.


Voltex Oblige
Nov 30 2012 09:17 PM
I'm not sure if adding my support to this is 100% necessary, but here it is. I wish to have a COT Library forum.






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