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[Commander Phanto...]

i really think the Felnas has a cool power of making the Toa Nuva's powers go outa wak. i also think that the Mohtrek is a paradox complex, i mean, if a Bitil were to die from 2 hours ago, then Bitil #1 would not have been able to use the Mohtrek now, stoping Bitil #2 from dieing later, stopping Bitil #1 from not being able to use the Mohtrek now, and so on...

[Valtika]

Nice topic. I didn't see this so i'll say it. Krika is the leader of the mistika

[Lhilertoro]

i also think that the Mohtrek is a paradox complex, i mean, if a Bitil were to die from 2 hours ago, then Bitil #1 would not have been able to use the Mohtrek now, stoping Bitil #2 from dieing later, stopping Bitil #1 from not being able to use the Mohtrek now, and so on...

If the one of the past ones are killed then the present one will be killed too.

[~Hihkan]

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In the new comic, Krika attacks Tahu, with what looks like the Hunger Power, but Tahu says he feels cold, is it sapping his Elemental Energy?

[Konrad]

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In the new comic, Krika attacks Tahu, with what looks like the Hunger Power, but Tahu says he feels cold, is it sapping his Elemental Energy?

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I think he's absorbing heat.

[Valtika]

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In the new comic, Krika attacks Tahu, with what looks like the Hunger Power, but Tahu says he feels cold, is it sapping his Elemental Energy?

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I think he's absorbing heat.

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I've read BL10, I'd post it put i can't cause of spoilers.

[Lhilertoro]

That explains a lot.

[Adventurer]

Yeah and considering the Ignika isn't a constant, continous threat and that it doesn't even appear in the comic....

Anyway I'll update the fact lists with comic stuff later today (assuming the sever doesn't explode).

[plue nuva]

Oh I see now... this was updated a while ago. So it is swamp water! But my topic clearly stating that got closed! A bunch of others too!

[Noble 5]

It's a natural occurrence…

[~Hihkan]

can't we already confirm it was the swamp waters? Although mutated by the swamp waters, Gorast doesn’t care- Bionicle.com; In the beginning of comic 13

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Krika rose out of SWAMP WATERS

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[Voyagin'Sheep]

can't we already confirm it was the swamp waters? Although mutated by the swamp waters, Gorast doesn’t care- Bionicle.com; In the beginning of comic 13

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Krika rose out of SWAMP WATERS

Maybe not the waters itself but something inside it.

[Zeddy]

You should also add the new info that's come on BIONICLE.com..

Like Krika's ability and all.

[Electric Turahk]

Yes, we know Bitil can be summoned to future battles - nothing new there. That's what his mask does.

However, you seem to have things mixed up. If the regular Bitil dies, then he dies. That's when he was destined to, so that's it. Nothing is changed with past versions. The same can be said with a "future" Bitil - he would therefore be the "present" one, so nothing would happen to his past selves. He would just die.

It's only if a Bitil that was summoned from the past dies that the "present" Bitil dies, because he therefore does not exist any longer.

~|ET|~

[Toa Tradon]

Yes, we know Bitil can be summoned to future battles - nothing new there. That's what his mask does.

However, you seem to have things mixed up. If the regular Bitil dies, then he dies. That's when he was destined to, so that's it. Nothing is changed with past versions. The same can be said with a "future" Bitil - he would therefore be the "present" one, so nothing would happen to his past selves. He would just die.

It's only if a Bitil that was summoned from the past dies that the "present" Bitil dies, because he therefore does not exist any longer.

~|ET|~

Ooooohhh, ok thanks, I was just wondering if it worked the other way. But what would happen if a future Bitil died? would our present Bitil die when he gets to the point in time when the future one died?

[Konrad]

The Mohtrek can have a Grandfather Paradox to it. If Current Bitil summons Past Bitil, and Past Bitil dies then Current Bitil never exists, but if Current Bitil never exists, then who summoned Past Bitil?

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[Toa Tradon]

The Mohtrek can have a Grandfather Paradox to it. If Current Bitil summons Past Bitil, and Past Bitil dies then Current Bitil never exists, but if Current Bitil never exists, then who summoned Past Bitil?

The current Bitil did, before he died. he ceases to exist when the past bitil dies in the present time. And you still didn;t answer my question.

[It's Officia...]

Yes, we know Bitil can be summoned to future battles - nothing new there. That's what his mask does.

However, you seem to have things mixed up. If the regular Bitil dies, then he dies. That's when he was destined to, so that's it. Nothing is changed with past versions. The same can be said with a "future" Bitil - he would therefore be the "present" one, so nothing would happen to his past selves. He would just die.

It's only if a Bitil that was summoned from the past dies that the "present" Bitil dies, because he therefore does not exist any longer.

~|ET|~

Ooooohhh, ok thanks, I was just wondering if it worked the other way. But what would happen if a future Bitil died? would our present Bitil die when he gets to the point in time when the future one died?

Have you really thought that question through ?
If Bitil dies at some point in the future, then of course present Bitil wil die when he progresses to that point because he will have become the future Bitil by then

[Mutated_Brutaka]

Simply put;

Past Bitil - Present Bitil - Future Bitil

If Past Bitil dies, Present Bitil and Future Bitil won't be there.

If Present Bitil dies, Future Bitil won't be there. (Logical.)

If Future Bitil dies, it doesn't affect Past Bitil or Present Bitil. (You can alter the future all you want, but it won't affect the past.)

The past does affect the present, but the future doesn't affect the present.

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[Konrad]

The Mohtrek can have a Grandfather Paradox to it. If Current Bitil summons Past Bitil, and Past Bitil dies then Current Bitil never exists, but if Current Bitil never exists, then who summoned Past Bitil?

The current Bitil did, before he died. he ceases to exist when the past bitil dies in the present time. And you still didn;t answer my question.

But I still don't get it, if Past Bitil dies then the current one never existed, so nobody could have summoned past Bitil, so the current one won't die. It's an illogical paradox.

[Aravagantos]

The Mohtrek can have a Grandfather Paradox to it. If Current Bitil summons Past Bitil, and Past Bitil dies then Current Bitil never exists, but if Current Bitil never exists, then who summoned Past Bitil?

The current Bitil did, before he died. he ceases to exist when the past bitil dies in the present time. And you still didn;t answer my question.

But I still don't get it, if Past Bitil dies then the current one never existed, so nobody could have summoned past Bitil, so the current one won't die. It's an illogical paradox.

That's why the mask has an anti-paradox thingy installed. If a past Bitil dies, the present one and all the summoned ones disappear without affecting the timeline at all.

[Constonks]

Partially related to the current discussion... Greg recently said that Bitil hasn't been summoned to any future battles while in Karda Nui... maybe there is no Future Bitil after Karda Nui

-VK-

[Konrad]

The Mohtrek can have a Grandfather Paradox to it. If Current Bitil summons Past Bitil, and Past Bitil dies then Current Bitil never exists, but if Current Bitil never exists, then who summoned Past Bitil?

The current Bitil did, before he died. he ceases to exist when the past bitil dies in the present time. And you still didn;t answer my question.

But I still don't get it, if Past Bitil dies then the current one never existed, so nobody could have summoned past Bitil, so the current one won't die. It's an illogical paradox.

That's why the mask has an anti-paradox thingy installed. If a past Bitil dies, the present one and all the summoned ones disappear without affecting the timeline at all.

So Bitil would just cease to exist completely?

[It's Officia...]

The Mohtrek can have a Grandfather Paradox to it. If Current Bitil summons Past Bitil, and Past Bitil dies then Current Bitil never exists, but if Current Bitil never exists, then who summoned Past Bitil?

The current Bitil did, before he died. he ceases to exist when the past bitil dies in the present time. And you still didn;t answer my question.

But I still don't get it, if Past Bitil dies then the current one never existed, so nobody could have summoned past Bitil, so the current one won't die. It's an illogical paradox.

That's why the mask has an anti-paradox thingy installed. If a past Bitil dies, the present one and all the summoned ones disappear without affecting the timeline at all.

So Bitil would just cease to exist completely?

From the point where he was killed, yes

[Toa Tradon]

I have a better question now. What if Bitil was summoned into a future battle, and that same Bitil died in that battle. would he still be dead when he returned to the present time?

[Aravagantos]

I have a better question now. What if Bitil was summoned into a future battle, and that same Bitil died in that battle. would he still be dead when he returned to the present time?

Yes, I think.

Wait.

If he dies in the present, the future one wouldn't exist.

The only solution to this paradox is that the present Bitil can not be summoned, because he is the last ever to exist (the future Bitil doesn't exist yet).

[Toa Tradon]

I have a better question now. What if Bitil was summoned into a future battle, and that same Bitil died in that battle. would he still be dead when he returned to the present time?

Yes, I think.

Wait.

If he dies in the present, the future one wouldn't exist.

The only solution to this paradox is that the present Bitil can not be summoned, because he is the last ever to exist (the future Bitil doesn't exist yet).

No, it's been confirmed by Mr. Farshtey that if bitil were to die, his future selves would remain. But what would happen if the present Bitil dies in a future battle? And yes, the future bitil does exist, here's a quote from BS01.

Bitil considers the Mohtrek a curse, as he often finds himself covered by injuries at random times and without any recollection of what happened, due to being part of future battles.

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[~Sernakann~]

6. If a past version of Bitil (summoned by the Mohtrek) leaves his Makuta armor, would he just have his Antidermis sent back, or his armor too?

6) Antidermis only

Thought this might be helpful.

[~Xion~]

So then he'd be an Antidermis cloud from that point until the present. These Miskuta have a lot of problems to deal with...

If they leave the swamp, will they return to their original states?

-Kots

[~Sernakann~]

So then he'd be an Antidermis cloud from that point until the present. These Miskuta have a lot of problems to deal with...

If they leave the swamp, will they return to their original states?

-Kots

No, only the Ignika can do that.