Official Makuta's Status And Plans Topic, Approved by bonesiii Options

[Takua the Wander...]

Greg said that no one could replace the Great Spirit.

I think that the makuta want the toa to awaken Mata Nui because they think some chance event will destroy the toa nuva when Mata Nui akawens.

Hero100

Could the BoM plan be...

Getting MN asleep...
Let the Toa Mata come to awaken MN...
Put some Makuta in the Core...
Let the Toa use the Ignika to awaken MN...
But because of the Makuta in the Core, the Ignika will kill everything in the Universe!


But, Teridax flees


Just guessing...

[The Power that I...]

The Makuta want to rule the Universe, not wipe it out.

[The Master Chief]

Do we know that for sure?

99 percent sure.
I think it's mentioned in one of the story cerials, the Mutran one I think.
Greg has mentioned many times times that the Makuta are holding back for some reason they're only delaying the Nuva for the sake of their trap. It's been mentioned in a book a quote about how the awakening of mata nui would bring some sort of untold terror.

Thr Nuva are destined to awaken mata nui, Mata Nui's awakening is used to take over the universe in some way. The connection is obvious.

Yeah, I remember that from the book. But what intrigues me is why they would want to spring a trap.

Err, what about Terridax being, whereever he is

[gavi]

Mistiking Mistika, Don't think that would work, as Mata-Nui can stop it by going to back to sleep. And besides, from what we've seen of the energy storm, it should a couple days for it to stop, which isn't enough for even Teridax to bring out this plan. As an added proof against, why would Greg have mentioned Mata-Nui's character flaw if it wasn't to be used against him? Your theory has nothing to do with his flaw.

Step Eleven-Find Toa Stones to create an army of Shadow Toa.
WHY? So they can cover the world in darkness and have a powerful army.

But a Matoran exposed to Toa energy doesn't automatically become a Toa. They have to be destined to do so. Makuta would never base a step in his plan on an assumption that all those Matoran are destined to be Toa, because it would be bound to fail.

[The Power that I...]

Mistiking Mistika, Don't think that would work, as Mata-Nui can stop it by going to back to sleep. And besides, from what we've seen of the energy storm, it should a couple days for it to stop, which isn't enough for even Teridax to bring out this plan. As an added proof against, why would Greg have mentioned Mata-Nui's character flaw if it wasn't to be used against him? Your theory has nothing to do with his flaw.

The energy storms don't stop. As long as Mata Nui is awake, they're working

Hi guys. Havw u ever wondered where teridax currently is? I have a theory with some evidence to support it. At the end of shadows in the sky, it mentioned teridax. It said that he was in part of the universe he had never visited before, and that it was heavily gaurded for physical intruders, but since teridax is pure energy, he got in. It will "rock the toa's universe" when they find out. I believe greg farshety stated that teridax is in a place that has never been mentioned before in the bionicle universe. In that place teridax found a carving of the mask that represented the great spirit mata nui. I think teridax is in the place where mata nui himself is. It would be the perfect place to do the final part of the Plan, which leads me to believe it has to do with mata nui. What do u think?

Hmmmm... Maybe when Mata Nui wakes up, he will immediately "Inject" Shadow into him to turn him evil! Or maybe he will turn into antidermis and take over his body...

[Adventurer]

I believe that those two ideas have essentially been disproven.

It's not just a belief, it's a fact. Mata Nui cannot be corrupted.

I reckon, though it's a weak guess thus far, that Makuta takes over Mata Nui's body.

-Freeze

[Aravagantos]

It's not just a belief, it's a fact. Mata Nui cannot be corrupted.

I reckon, though it's a weak guess thus far, that Makuta takes over Mata Nui's body.

-Freeze

I don't think that's possible, seeing as Teridax would need to have its Antidermis increased by a factor of one million, more or less.

I dunno, the plan might somehow make it possible, maybe he goes into the Codrex as energy and somehow uses his life essence against him.

-Freeze

Due to my topic being closed, and people sending me over here (though I don't see why, completely) I have been forced to repost this theory on Teridax's location here:

After listening to Destiny War Chapter 3 I came up with the obvious theory below, but since there are spoilers, I must put it under a spoiler tag

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

First the evidence...
Remember in Dark Mirror chapter seven, Pohatu was talking about how Tuyet had brought them out of Karda Nui...via a place in the Coliseum that nobody had ever seen before, including us.
That same room had the power to alter something done in the Codrex
Teridax's Location is heavily guarded
Greg has said Teridax's location is a place we have never seen before
The Toa Hagah are in Metru Nui to destroy the Coliseum


Yes I know there is more evidence than that...but I can't think of a better way to put it.

Teridax is in the hidden room in the Coliseum.

What? huh? don't get that? niether did I, until I put three things together.

1. Nobody has drawn any attention to the room when asking Greg questions, they have only asked "Is Teridax in Metru Nui" to which Greg has said "Can't answer this. I can only say that he is in a place we have never seen before."
2. The room Tuyet had discovered was obviously well hidden, no doubt she was in the middle of sending a tidal wave through twenty foes when the wall hiding it blew away. Meaning this would be a hard place to get into...unless you were Antidermis and could sneak through cracks.
3. The room had some connection with Karda Nui, or rather with the Codrex, since it had the power to send the Toa Mata flying through the sky out of Karda Nui. The Codrex also has something to do with the awakening of Mata Nui.

What does this have to do with the Plan...no idea...I have not bothered to figure out what the plan is since somebody has already guessed it (according to Greg) and I don't like trying to make up something that somebody already made up... However, it would be very possible to maybe alter the power that awakens Mata Nui while in a room that has control over that area.

Make more sense now? Yes? No? How about adding one more thing to support the list above ^^^

The Toa Hagah are in Metru Nui, and they are there to destroy the Coliseum. Why? Last time we saw them they were tracking down Teridax, right? Well, if Teridax is in that room, then they are doing both. Think about it, the only way to get to a hidden room that you would have no idea where to go to find it, you just destroy the whole building and get your answers.

Still making no sense. how about this, Teridax's location is heavily guarded, some people say by the Bohrok, others by the Toa Mahri. The ones that say the Toa Mahri are correct, if my theory is correct, then they would be guarding Metru Nui, while Teridax snuck into the Coliseum and into the room nobody had seen before.

I know this is probably strait forward, and probably you have all thought of this and already thought of how this couldn't work, enlighten me

Well, if everybody takes a wack at this, there shouldn't be anything left, so have at it!!!!!

well, that is the theory I posted, so have fun tearing it to shreds



EDIT: after reading peoples comments, I realized that I had a problem, so add another part of the theory to that theory...which makes it another theory all together: The secret room is either an entryway into Teridax's location, or one of the two ways to get to that room is by going through Teridax's location (since the other would be blasting a wall down and discovering it like Tuyet probably did.)

This post has been edited by Krakuaofsonics: Sep 6 2008, 02:04 AM

[The Power that I...]

The room Tuyet had discovered was obviously well hidden, no doubt she was in the middle of sending a tidal wave through twenty foes when the wall hiding it blew away.

Personally I think that's a really big jump to a conclusion. If we've never seen the room before, that doesn't mean it was well-hidden. We'd never seen Zakaz until 2007 but that isn't well-hidden

The room had some connection with Karda Nui, or rather with the Codrex, since it had the power to send the Toa Mata flying through the sky out of Karda Nui. The Codrex also has something to do with the awakening of Mata Nui.

In the words of DM Pohatu:

That was when she found a spot in the Coliseum no one had ever seen before. A place from which she could fake the signal that would launch our canisters

That's what the connection is. For some reason there is a room in the Coliseum that can send a beacon to the Codrex. I imagine it's like a homing signal

[Aravagantos]

The room Tuyet had discovered was obviously well hidden, no doubt she was in the middle of sending a tidal wave through twenty foes when the wall hiding it blew away.

Personally I think that's a really big jump to a conclusion. If we've never seen the room before, that doesn't mean it was well-hidden. We'd never seen Zakaz until 2007 but that isn't well-hidden

The room had some connection with Karda Nui, or rather with the Codrex, since it had the power to send the Toa Mata flying through the sky out of Karda Nui. The Codrex also has something to do with the awakening of Mata Nui.

In the words of DM Pohatu:

That was when she found a spot in the Coliseum no one had ever seen before. A place from which she could fake the signal that would launch our canisters

That's what the connection is. For some reason there is a room in the Coliseum that can send a beacon to the Codrex. I imagine it's like a homing signal

Wasn't stated that the signal Tuyet sent was fake?

Due to my topic being closed, and people sending me over here (though I don't see why, completely) I have been forced to repost this theory on Teridax's location here:

After listening to Destiny War Chapter 3 I came up with the obvious theory below, but since there are spoilers, I must put it under a spoiler tag

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

First the evidence...
Remember in Dark Mirror chapter seven, Pohatu was talking about how Tuyet had brought them out of Karda Nui...via a place in the Coliseum that nobody had ever seen before, including us.
That same room had the power to alter something done in the Codrex
Teridax's Location is heavily guarded
Greg has said Teridax's location is a place we have never seen before
The Toa Hagah are in Metru Nui to destroy the Coliseum


Yes I know there is more evidence than that...but I can't think of a better way to put it.

Teridax is in the hidden room in the Coliseum.

What? huh? don't get that? niether did I, until I put three things together.

1. Nobody has drawn any attention to the room when asking Greg questions, they have only asked "Is Teridax in Metru Nui" to which Greg has said "Can't answer this. I can only say that he is in a place we have never seen before."
2. The room Tuyet had discovered was obviously well hidden, no doubt she was in the middle of sending a tidal wave through twenty foes when the wall hiding it blew away. Meaning this would be a hard place to get into...unless you were Antidermis and could sneak through cracks.
3. The room had some connection with Karda Nui, or rather with the Codrex, since it had the power to send the Toa Mata flying through the sky out of Karda Nui. The Codrex also has something to do with the awakening of Mata Nui.

What does this have to do with the Plan...no idea...I have not bothered to figure out what the plan is since somebody has already guessed it (according to Greg) and I don't like trying to make up something that somebody already made up... However, it would be very possible to maybe alter the power that awakens Mata Nui while in a room that has control over that area.

Make more sense now? Yes? No? How about adding one more thing to support the list above ^^^

The Toa Hagah are in Metru Nui, and they are there to destroy the Coliseum. Why? Last time we saw them they were tracking down Teridax, right? Well, if Teridax is in that room, then they are doing both. Think about it, the only way to get to a hidden room that you would have no idea where to go to find it, you just destroy the whole building and get your answers.

Still making no sense. how about this, Teridax's location is heavily guarded, some people say by the Bohrok, others by the Toa Mahri. The ones that say the Toa Mahri are correct, if my theory is correct, then they would be guarding Metru Nui, while Teridax snuck into the Coliseum and into the room nobody had seen before.

I know this is probably strait forward, and probably you have all thought of this and already thought of how this couldn't work, enlighten me

Well, if everybody takes a wack at this, there shouldn't be anything left, so have at it!!!!!

well, that is the theory I posted, so have fun tearing it to shreads

I like your theory, it makes sense. However, I believe that Greg's stated he's not in Metru Nui, but maybe he can control that room from the heavily guarded location?

-Freeze

Due to my topic being closed, and people sending me over here (though I don't see why, completely) I have been forced to repost this theory on Teridax's location here:

After listening to Destiny War Chapter 3 I came up with the obvious theory below, but since there are spoilers, I must put it under a spoiler tag

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

First the evidence...
Remember in Dark Mirror chapter seven, Pohatu was talking about how Tuyet had brought them out of Karda Nui...via a place in the Coliseum that nobody had ever seen before, including us.
That same room had the power to alter something done in the Codrex
Teridax's Location is heavily guarded
Greg has said Teridax's location is a place we have never seen before
The Toa Hagah are in Metru Nui to destroy the Coliseum


Yes I know there is more evidence than that...but I can't think of a better way to put it.

Teridax is in the hidden room in the Coliseum.

What? huh? don't get that? niether did I, until I put three things together.

1. Nobody has drawn any attention to the room when asking Greg questions, they have only asked "Is Teridax in Metru Nui" to which Greg has said "Can't answer this. I can only say that he is in a place we have never seen before."
2. The room Tuyet had discovered was obviously well hidden, no doubt she was in the middle of sending a tidal wave through twenty foes when the wall hiding it blew away. Meaning this would be a hard place to get into...unless you were Antidermis and could sneak through cracks.
3. The room had some connection with Karda Nui, or rather with the Codrex, since it had the power to send the Toa Mata flying through the sky out of Karda Nui. The Codrex also has something to do with the awakening of Mata Nui.

What does this have to do with the Plan...no idea...I have not bothered to figure out what the plan is since somebody has already guessed it (according to Greg) and I don't like trying to make up something that somebody already made up... However, it would be very possible to maybe alter the power that awakens Mata Nui while in a room that has control over that area.

Make more sense now? Yes? No? How about adding one more thing to support the list above ^^^

The Toa Hagah are in Metru Nui, and they are there to destroy the Coliseum. Why? Last time we saw them they were tracking down Teridax, right? Well, if Teridax is in that room, then they are doing both. Think about it, the only way to get to a hidden room that you would have no idea where to go to find it, you just destroy the whole building and get your answers.

Still making no sense. how about this, Teridax's location is heavily guarded, some people say by the Bohrok, others by the Toa Mahri. The ones that say the Toa Mahri are correct, if my theory is correct, then they would be guarding Metru Nui, while Teridax snuck into the Coliseum and into the room nobody had seen before.

I know this is probably strait forward, and probably you have all thought of this and already thought of how this couldn't work, enlighten me

Well, if everybody takes a wack at this, there shouldn't be anything left, so have at it!!!!!

well, that is the theory I posted, so have fun tearing it to shreads

I like your theory, it makes sense. However, I believe that Greg's stated he's not in Metru Nui, but maybe he can control that room from the heavily guarded location?

-Freeze

Remember- this is a place teridax even would not think of just check BS01

The room Tuyet had discovered was obviously well hidden, no doubt she was in the middle of sending a tidal wave through twenty foes when the wall hiding it blew away.

Personally I think that's a really big jump to a conclusion. If we've never seen the room before, that doesn't mean it was well-hidden. We'd never seen Zakaz until 2007 but that isn't well-hidden

The room had some connection with Karda Nui, or rather with the Codrex, since it had the power to send the Toa Mata flying through the sky out of Karda Nui. The Codrex also has something to do with the awakening of Mata Nui.

In the words of DM Pohatu:

That was when she found a spot in the Coliseum no one had ever seen before. A place from which she could fake the signal that would launch our canisters

That's what the connection is. For some reason there is a room in the Coliseum that can send a beacon to the Codrex. I imagine it's like a homing signal

Wasn't stated that the signal Tuyet sent was fake?

Yes it was fake, but that is my point, it had the power to alter something in the Codrex, making a fake signal that launched the canisters...meaning that even though Mata Nui never fell asleep, the Toa Mata walked and breathed like everything else.

To the poster above you, I believe you just answered you own question with the Dark Mirror quote you made. It is not a jump to conclusion. you said it yourself. you said DM Pohatu said (this is how I remembered it, I am NOT listening to it at this moment) "That was when Tuyet found a spot in the Coliseum, a place no one had ever seen before." IF NO ONE HAD EVER SEE IT BEFORE IN DM UNIVERSE, IT MUST BE WELL HIDDEN!!!! it has nothing to do with us seeing it or not seeing it.

To Freeze - I have never heard Greg say he is NOT in Metru Nui, only that he is in a place we have never seen before. Which is like how he said the Mistika Makuta were smart enough not to go into the water. But I am not saying I am 100% right about this.

To Toa_ignika_2008 - you are forgetting that Teridax would no doubt be shocked that it is in the coliseum that he needs to complete his Destiny. WHICH IS A PLACE HE HAD NEVER DREAMED OF!!!!!!!!

though I am going to make an edit to my theory to change something... so wait two seconds before you judge me.

Sorry, Double post (my first), please delete

This post has been edited by Krakuaofsonics: Sep 6 2008, 02:01 AM

[Toa of Kenn]

Ok the connection between the Coliseum and the Codrex would make sense BUT I doubt Greg would not make a webs erial have major influence on the core stryline (i.e. storyline that features current sets = Karda Nui storyline).

Though I am really wnderin why the Hagah have to destroy the Coliseum that has anything to do with finding Teridax.

[The Power that I...]

To the poster above you, I believe you just answered you own question with the Dark Mirror quote you made. It is not a jump to conclusion. you said it yourself. you said DM Pohatu said (this is how I remembered it, I am NOT listening to it at this moment) "That was when Tuyet found a spot in the Coliseum, a place no one had ever seen before." IF NO ONE HAD EVER SEE IT BEFORE IN DM UNIVERSE, IT MUST BE WELL HIDDEN!!!! it has nothing to do with us seeing it or not seeing it.

The Coliseum is a big place. It's not just an arena and a tower, there's loads of storage levels underneath. I doubt anyone has ever explored the whole thing. I mean, why would they? To them it's the good ol' Coliseum, can't possibly have anything hidden in it.

The same logic goes for the Archives and the Geat Temple

Just want to throw in that it wouldn't necessarily have to be well hidden, just well guarded. There are three different ways in which it could have been non-accessable. It could have been well-hidden, and Tuyet could have found it by accident or through a use of her sheer power. It could have been well-warded, like the Codrex, and Tuyet could have used her power to smash through the defenses. Or it could just kill/incapacitate anyone who came close through the use of guadians or defensive positions, and Tuyet could have destroyed all those. For all we know, everyone knew something was down there, but never could get to it before she showed up.
Mind you, Pohatu's comment about her "finding" the room makes the first hypothesis seem more likely, but any of the three could be correct.

I can't exactly see who's side you're on...but let me make this observation:

Everyone is making such a big deal about it being well hidden or not being well hidden. It really doesn't make a difference to the theory. If it is down 234002034 floors, then the easiest way to find a room with Antidermis in it would be leveling the whole place in one Nova Blast...not saying that that would be the Hagah's best choice of action, merely saying that this discourse is a waste of time.

You never know, guys, the Colesium might have nothing to do with the plot. Just a possible weapon for the Brotherhood, or something like that.

-Freeze

I think the whole point behind the theory is saying what you THINK MIGHT HAPPEN!!!! sorry, just got a little angry there. But the thing is, how would they use it as a weapon, I don't see how a building is a weapon. and if you still have questions look below

Perhaps the Order are just worried Teridax might use it as an easy-meal again, like he did when posing as Dume

Maybe, but if that were the case, why would the Hagah be doing it? Destroying the Coliseum would be the job for somebody who has the power to send the Coliseum crashing down on it's own power, not for the people just sent out to find Teridax.

I think the Hagah want it gone because it would be easy to go underneath that way, or find soemthing.

-LZ

Again, look at my second portion of the theory, which is like a second add-on possibility. which is what I was saying all along.

Did anyone read dwellers in darkness today? It revealed teridax's hiding spot! it's the colisuem! And the toa hagah have went in!

toa kopaka4372, put that in a spoiler tag.

Anyway,

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what would Teridax do there?