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[Murtagh]

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A character becomes pregnant

Oh who could it be!? I'm guessing Eragon
Arya obviously.
But think about it this is such a publicity stunt. To be honest it's putting me off buying the book.

[Ladon: Lord of H...]

WHAT?!?

[Hewkii Inika]

It's obviously gonna be Katrina. No one else would fit. They're going to get married anyway. Arya wouldn't fit, for Eragon is in the completely cliched situation of trying to EARN her love (by stalking and drooling, anyways)

This post has been edited by Hewkii Inika: Jul 15 2008, 11:16 AM

[Bionicle Dragon]

Hm, someone gets pregnant? Then I would guess either Katrina or that leader of the good guys.

I forget her name. :/

[Rausaro]

If dragons are anything like their closest real relative crocodiles, then they can't get pregnant. They lay eggs immediately. Then again, Paolini probably doesn't know that. There are a lot of things he doesn't know.

I thought dragons were considered Reptomammals...

Not to mention, dragons are more likely related to Dinosaurs, which many believe were warm blooded....

[Hewkii Inika]

Well, it depends upon how Paolini says they are, for it's his (*cough*Tolkiens*cough*) world.

[The Captain]

Well, it depends upon how Paolini says they are, for it's his (*cough*Tolkiens*cough*) world.

Thank you. Read both of the first books, and neither really caught my attention, although was very annoyed at all the friggin' Tolkien rip-offs. I may not even bother read the third one when it comes out. The movie didn't help either.

[Masochistic Algo...]

many of the ideas in the inheritance trilogy are very similar to those in the earthsea series, although earthsea has better writing than inheritance.

[Rausaro]

Well, it depends upon how Paolini says they are, for it's his (*cough*Tolkiens*cough*) world.

Thank you. Read both of the first books, and neither really caught my attention, although was very annoyed at all the friggin' Tolkien rip-offs. I may not even bother read the third one when it comes out. The movie didn't help either.

Tolkein Ripoffs?! Try Dragonrider of Pern! He ripped off practically everything from that. The First Eragon's white dragon is a ripoff of the Androgynous Ruth, who was the partner of a very important rider.

Blue dragons in DROP are always female. Saphira is female.

In DROP, dragons telepathically name themselves before the partner. In the Eragon Movie, Saphira does it exactly like they do in drop, except they do it as a hatchling, and they are far smarter.

The DROP dragons were bred from firelizards to help protect the colonists on the Planet Pern. The Dragons in Eragon appear to be a corrupted, subservient form.

Riders share pain with Dragons in DROP. They do in Eragon, too.

Ironically, the Dragons in Pern form a special bond unlike Paolini's corrupted bond; the humans actually focus more on the welfare of the dragon than that of the rider. The Riders usually fall in love with the rider of the dragon's crush. It seems to be the other way in Eragon.

Not to mention, I think I recall them saying in Eragon that the dragon dies if the rider does {maybe it was in the movie?}. Complete Pern Ripoff.

[Shurtgal]

I don't like Eragon much. I do however, like the world we were given to play in. I think it would be better if the following happens...

Elves age and die. And they ain't some super-powerful freaks either. Have them eat some meat to.

Stop with all the aeithism conversion. My only hope is in the statement that in the third-book,

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Eragon will meet a God.

For my sake, make Arya a person.

Rant done.

O woopie
Another pointless thing to happen to him
At least its only a month away now

Does anyone else see this split into 4 books as a way of milking ths series even more so us "fanboys" will just end up giving him more money
Its so annoying >.>

~Shurt

[Spink]

Well if a series is doing well enough the chances of it being finished isn't as likely as it brings in a large profit, and people like profit.

He did make the Elves seem to be a bit much, I'm okay with the vegetarian side, but more flaws should be put into the race rather than have them seem so incredibly perfect. (Of course they aren't perfect, but that's how they're depicted) I don't care so much about their beliefs just as long as there is something backing it up, and they're not just made that way without explanation.

I believe he is making a fourth book for some reason (I have only heard about this and I'm not sure if it has been confirmed or not)

[Murtagh]

Oh it's been confirmed.
He's doing a fourth because he thinks the third book is already big enough.

[Rausaro]

Tolkein Ripoffs?! Try Dragonrider of Pern! He ripped off practically everything from that. The First Eragon's white dragon is a ripoff of the Androgynous Ruth, who was the partner of a very important rider. Blue dragons in DROP are always female. Saphira is female.In DROP, dragons telepathically name themselves before the partner. In the Eragon Movie, Saphira does it exactly like they do in drop, except they do it as a hatchling, and they are far smarter.The DROP dragons were bred from firelizards to help protect the colonists on the Planet Pern. The Dragons in Eragon appear to be a corrupted, subservient form.Riders share pain with Dragons in DROP. They do in Eragon, too.Ironically, the Dragons in Pern form a special bond unlike Paolini's corrupted bond; the humans actually focus more on the welfare of the dragon than that of the rider. The Riders usually fall in love with the rider of the dragon's crush. It seems to be the other way in Eragon.Not to mention, I think I recall them saying in Eragon that the dragon dies if the rider does {maybe it was in the movie?}. Complete Pern Ripoff.

So? It's just a color. White is symbolic of purity, as in the new, pure relationship between dragon and elf after the big war.Again, just a color. Blue is generally associated with females in Bionicle, too, does that mean Bionicle ripped that off from DROP?They did it differently in the book, which is the canon version. Eragon found out the names of past dragons from Brom and chose Saphira, which was coincidentally the name of Brom's dragon. Saphira found it to her liking, but did not choose the name herself....what? Bred from firelizards to protect space colonists? How is that anything like the dragons in Inheritance, at all?Details, details.It's been a while since I read the Inheritance books, so forgive me if this is wrong, but in my memory the dragons and Riders looked out for each other, except in the case of the Forsworn and Galbatorix, who enslaved their dragons with dark magic, I believe.Not quite. Brom's dragon died, and he stayed alive. It just "felt like a piece of [his] soul had been ripped out".These are all completely insignificant details. Are there any plot similarities? The plot is what matters, not the dragons. You could say that DROP "ripped off" the very idea of dragons from mythology.And honestly, I don't care whether Paolini was inspired by, or even blatantly ripped off elements from other fantasy writer's fictional universes. The Inheritance books are an entertaining, conventional fantasy series. Isn't quality and readability what really matters?

1. The Pern Dragons were wild until the colonist domesticated them. See Eragon for similarities. 2. The Pern riders die 95% of the time if the dragon dies, and the dragons die 100% of the time. The movie almost quotes that.3. Drop is an extremely old series, from the late 50's. The Riders in Drop have more feel to them than the all powerful Jedi Eragon.

This post has been edited by Rausaro: Aug 24 2008, 11:35 PM

[Illustrious Var]

Touché

-PapaV

[Ladon: Lord of H...]

Two things:

1) Treaty? Ha! More like robbery. I still fail to see what the dragons get out of that deal. When a rider dies, the dragon dies, but not so the other way around. Dragons are said to be the riders' equals, and Paolini certainly believes that, but the way they're presented, they're basically huge, flying horses, a cool means to get from point A to point B. Oh yeah, and if they're so huge, why do Riders have swords?! They'd be useless when they're riding on their pet dragons.
2) As I recall, he said one word that he had never used before in Eragon and killed like seven people with it. Sounds like Deus Ex Machina to me.

1.) In Eldest, Oromis states that when either one dies, the other is extremely likely to die or at the very least go insane for a while. The whole one-way ally was only stated in the movie.

2.) I'd agree with you, but I honestly don't know which part you're talking about.

[Hewkii Inika]

Oh, Ladon, just thought I'd say that a Big Darn Heroes moment is when a battle seems to be lost, then a bunch of heroes come out of nowhere to save the day with an army of their own. Basically, Big Darn Heroes means that other characters come in out of nowhere when all seemed lost.

[ThingsAreGoingTo...]

Picking up where I left off, hopefully it's not irrelevant by now...

Tolkein Ripoffs?! Try Dragonrider of Pern! He ripped off practically everything from that. The First Eragon's white dragon is a ripoff of the Androgynous Ruth, who was the partner of a very important rider. Blue dragons in DROP are always female. Saphira is female.In DROP, dragons telepathically name themselves before the partner. In the Eragon Movie, Saphira does it exactly like they do in drop, except they do it as a hatchling, and they are far smarter.The DROP dragons were bred from firelizards to help protect the colonists on the Planet Pern. The Dragons in Eragon appear to be a corrupted, subservient form.Riders share pain with Dragons in DROP. They do in Eragon, too.Ironically, the Dragons in Pern form a special bond unlike Paolini's corrupted bond; the humans actually focus more on the welfare of the dragon than that of the rider. The Riders usually fall in love with the rider of the dragon's crush. It seems to be the other way in Eragon.Not to mention, I think I recall them saying in Eragon that the dragon dies if the rider does {maybe it was in the movie?}. Complete Pern Ripoff.

So? It's just a color.

White is symbolic of purity, as in the new, pure relationship between dragon and elf after the big war.

Again, just a color. Blue is generally associated with females in Bionicle, too, does that mean Bionicle ripped that off from DROP?

They did it differently in the book, which is the canon version. Eragon found out the names of past dragons from Brom and chose Saphira, which was coincidentally the name of Brom's dragon. Saphira found it to her liking, but did not choose the name herself.

...what? Bred from firelizards to protect space colonists? How is that anything like the dragons in Inheritance, at all?

Details, details.

It's been a while since I read the Inheritance books, so forgive me if this is wrong, but in my memory the dragons and Riders looked out for each other, except in the case of the Forsworn and Galbatorix, who enslaved their dragons with dark magic, I believe.

Not quite. Brom's dragon died, and he stayed alive. It just "felt like a piece of [his] soul had been ripped out".

hese are all completely insignificant details. Are there any plot similarities? The plot is what matters, not the dragons. You could say that DROP "ripped off" the very idea of dragons from mythology.

And honestly, I don't care whether Paolini was inspired by, or even blatantly ripped off elements from other fantasy writer's fictional universes. The Inheritance books are an entertaining, conventional fantasy series. Isn't quality and readability what really matters?

1. The Pern Dragons were wild until the colonist domesticated them. See Eragon for similarities.

2. The Pern riders die 95% of the time if the dragon dies, and the dragons die 100% of the time. The movie almost quotes that.

3. Drop is an extremely old series, from the late 50's. The Riders in Drop have more feel to them than the all powerful Jedi Eragon.

The Inheritance Dragons were wild, but they were intelligent, sentient creatures. The elves didn't domesticate them, they made a treaty with the dragons.

Whoop-dee-doo.

Great. Again, what are these but insignificant details? Is there any part of Eragon or Eldest's plot that was ripped off from DROP? Because that's what matters.

6) Deus Ex Machina. Things coming out of nowhere to save the day in English, such as Eragon learning magic spells in the nick of time with no warning whatsoever, the Big Darn Heroes incident in the Battle of Burning Plains, and all sorts of other things.

Just thought I'd point out how long it took Eragon to learn magic in the first place (except in the movie, of course). Took him a long time just to be able to move a pebble. I find that the training was done in a realistic and believable, non-deus ex machina way.

There is no power balance. Eragon kills 15,000 men in like, 5 minutes, and has no need of armies. In DRoP and "The sword of truth" series, they have balances... For example, the main Character in SOT can't kill more than 30 in an hour, and that was only once because his sword possessed him. Hence, he needs armies, so he can be the magic against magic, and the soldiers the steel against steel. Stuff like that. Eragon is the unstoppable deus ex Machina, and a lot of reviews said that of Eldest in particular.

Well now you're just saying "my book is better than yours". It's not a competition, Rausaro. You were saying that Eragon was ripped off from DRoP, now you're pointing out the differences.

BTW, killing thirty people in one hour would mean killing one person every two minutes. It seems like an average swordsman would be able to get way more than that if they managed to survive for an entire hour of battle. How does the magic work in that series, exactly? I'm kind of interested. Are there incantations or something involved? That would explain the low kill rate.

Tolkein Ripoffs?! Try Dragonrider of Pern! He ripped off practically everything from that. The First Eragon's white dragon is a ripoff of the Androgynous Ruth, who was the partner of a very important rider. Blue dragons in DROP are always female. Saphira is female.In DROP, dragons telepathically name themselves before the partner. In the Eragon Movie, Saphira does it exactly like they do in drop, except they do it as a hatchling, and they are far smarter.The DROP dragons were bred from firelizards to help protect the colonists on the Planet Pern. The Dragons in Eragon appear to be a corrupted, subservient form.Riders share pain with Dragons in DROP. They do in Eragon, too.Ironically, the Dragons in Pern form a special bond unlike Paolini's corrupted bond; the humans actually focus more on the welfare of the dragon than that of the rider. The Riders usually fall in love with the rider of the dragon's crush. It seems to be the other way in Eragon.Not to mention, I think I recall them saying in Eragon that the dragon dies if the rider does {maybe it was in the movie?}. Complete Pern Ripoff.

So? It's just a color.

White is symbolic of purity, as in the new, pure relationship between dragon and elf after the big war.

Again, just a color. Blue is generally associated with females in Bionicle, too, does that mean Bionicle ripped that off from DROP?

They did it differently in the book, which is the canon version. Eragon found out the names of past dragons from Brom and chose Saphira, which was coincidentally the name of Brom's dragon. Saphira found it to her liking, but did not choose the name herself.

...what? Bred from firelizards to protect space colonists? How is that anything like the dragons in Inheritance, at all?

Details, details.

It's been a while since I read the Inheritance books, so forgive me if this is wrong, but in my memory the dragons and Riders looked out for each other, except in the case of the Forsworn and Galbatorix, who enslaved their dragons with dark magic, I believe.

Not quite. Brom's dragon died, and he stayed alive. It just "felt like a piece of [his] soul had been ripped out".

hese are all completely insignificant details. Are there any plot similarities? The plot is what matters, not the dragons. You could say that DROP "ripped off" the very idea of dragons from mythology.

And honestly, I don't care whether Paolini was inspired by, or even blatantly ripped off elements from other fantasy writer's fictional universes. The Inheritance books are an entertaining, conventional fantasy series. Isn't quality and readability what really matters?

1. The Pern Dragons were wild until the colonist domesticated them. See Eragon for similarities.

2. The Pern riders die 95% of the time if the dragon dies, and the dragons die 100% of the time. The movie almost quotes that.

3. Drop is an extremely old series, from the late 50's. The Riders in Drop have more feel to them than the all powerful Jedi Eragon.

The Inheritance Dragons were wild, but they were intelligent, sentient creatures. The elves didn't domesticate them, they made a treaty with the dragons.

Whoop-dee-doo.

Great. Again, what are these but insignificant details? Is there any part of Eragon or Eldest's plot that was ripped off from DROP? Because that's what matters.

6) Deus Ex Machina. Things coming out of nowhere to save the day in English, such as Eragon learning magic spells in the nick of time with no warning whatsoever, the Big Darn Heroes incident in the Battle of Burning Plains, and all sorts of other things.

Just thought I'd point out how long it took Eragon to learn magic in the first place (except in the movie, of course). Took him a long time just to be able to move a pebble. I find that the training was done in a realistic and believable, non-deus ex machina way.

Two things:

1) Treaty? Ha! More like robbery. I still fail to see what the dragons get out of that deal. When a rider dies, the dragon dies, but not so the other way around. Dragons are said to be the riders' equals, and Paolini certainly believes that, but the way they're presented, they're basically huge, flying horses, a cool means to get from point A to point B. Oh yeah, and if they're so huge, why do Riders have swords?! They'd be useless when they're riding on their pet dragons.
2) As I recall, he said one word that he had never used before in Eragon and killed like seven people with it. Sounds like Deus Ex Machina to me.

1) The dragons don't get slaughtered by elves, for one thing. That seems like a plus. It always seemed to me that the dragons were on the losing side of the war and had to make some concessions in the treaty.

However, dragon and Rider in the Inheritance series are shown to have a close personal bond, like best of friends, or brother/sister. They wouldn't exploit each other, except in the case of Galbatorix, who basically does treat them like giant flying horses.

The Riders have swords because they're not constantly riding their dragons (a lot of the time Eragon fights on foot, such as his swordfight with Durza in the end of the first book - which, I will add to those who say he was overpowered, he was losing horribly and had to be rescued by Saphira); and also because the jewel in the pommel can be used to store magical energy.

2) Eragon instinctively discovers the ability to use magic when he is being chased by two Urgals. He casts a fire spell out of reflex. If he hadn't, he would have been killed. And it was only two Urgals, not seven people. Afterward, Eragon had to learn magic the hard way over the course of weeks or months, because the spell he has used had been only in desperation, and also compared to most magic it was pretty weak, the Urgals were just caught by surprise.

Rausario- Don't push it. In SOT, here are 3 times when the magic kills more than 30:

1. Richard kills a thousand mounted men in one blast of Subtractive/Additive lightning. ("Pillars of Creation")

2. When Richard is confirmed as the Lord Rahl, lightning shoots throughout the palace, and kills all of the Darken Rahl supporters (Which is pretty darn well near 1/2 an army) with his own power. ("Stone of Tears")

3. When the light spell obliterates near 10,000 men of Jagang's army (Admittedly, that was Zedd, but the point remains the same). (I believe that was in "Chainfire")

Subtractive magic is underworld magic. Of course if you unleash the power of the world of the dead, you'll kill a bunch.

1. Haven't read that far.

2. He did not intentionally do that, and he didn't know how.

3. Jagang has more than a million men, if I recall. 10 thou is nothing in the midlands. Aleagasia, on the other hand, is supposed to be a lot smaller. Not to mention, Panis Raul and Darken Rahl both had had similar powers, which is why so many people wanted magic gone.

Alagaesia is a continent, it has millions of people.

Also, if you're going to discuss DRoP, guys, move it along to a DRoP topic.

Oh yeah, and I don't have Brisingr yet.