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 Aug 30 2008, 08:07 PM
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 Tohunga  Group: Members Posts: 53 Joined: 22-August 08 Member No.: 91647 
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Although I find it to be the most evident with the Rahkshi legs and far less so with the Inika shins, all lower leg pieces will wobble back and forth at the knee. I think that this is incredibly annoying when you're trying to play with your sets because it makes for some really weird poses.
 Like this  and this.  See how Kopaka's shins are straight but his thighs are slanted? Has anyone else noticed this? Any suggestions for avoiding it? Thanks! ~Purri -------------------- |
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Aug 30 2008, 08:29 PM
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I've never had any experiences as bad as you had except with older sets such as Roodaka as portrayed in that image; however, my Toa Gali Nuva Mistika has pretty loose leg joints. Also, those pictures are a little over-exaggerated; no Bionicle's joints are THAT bad.
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Aug 30 2008, 08:31 PM
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  Mask of Time Discovered  Group: Premier Members Posts: 4069 Joined: 11-August 07 Member No.: 61382
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Just tested, Lewa Phantoka's limbs are bent slighty, but I think I put them into that pose when putting it up on my dresser, and don't wobble when I try to move it with my finger.
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Aug 30 2008, 10:17 PM
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 Tahnok-Kal Attacks!  Group: Premier Outstanding BZP Citizens Posts: 3206 Joined: 20-March 06 Member No.: 39991 
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That's actually kind of how our knees work... I don't mind it at all.
 How to avoid it? Just don't put them into those poses. They usually just don't just fall into those poses on their own... BtB -------------------- You pick up the pieces and you put them away, in cozy little boxes, save them for another day-ay-ay
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Aug 30 2008, 10:30 PM
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that hasnt happened to me before,although every once in a while some will go in a crouching position
    
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Aug 30 2008, 11:05 PM
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Tohunga Group: Members Posts: 53 Joined: 22-August 08 Member No.: 91647
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QUOTE Just tested, Lewa Phantoka's limbs are bent slighty, but I think I put them into that pose when putting it up on my dresser, and don't wobble when I try to move it with my finger. Weird, my Lewa's are really wobbly. QUOTE I've never had any experiences as bad as you had except with older sets such as Roodaka as portrayed in that image; however, my Toa Gali Nuva Mistika has pretty loose leg joints. Also, those pictures are a little over-exaggerated; no Bionicle's joints are THAT bad. I exaggerated them on purpose; I was showing what odd poses the joints let you do. Gali has Inika shins, right? I think those wobble the least... QUOTE That's actually kind of how our knees work... I don't mind it at all. How to avoid it? Just don't put them into those poses. They usually just don't just fall into those poses on their own... Looking at Lewa's picture, I think (please correct me if I'm wrong) that when a human does that kind of pose, it is mostly their hip and ankle joints than move, not their knees leaning to the side. My Lewa and Roodaka actually do slide into those kinds of poses on their own. Then they fall over. It really drives me up the wall sometimes...  And thanks for the advice, even though I kind of already figured that part out.  QUOTE that hasnt happened to me before,although every once in a while some will go in a crouching position That's odd, mine never slide that way at all.  ~Purri -------------------- |
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Aug 30 2008, 11:09 PM
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It's happned,but I don't mind-more realistic.
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Aug 30 2008, 11:46 PM
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That's never happened to me... Maybe you should turn their legs around, so that the "loose" a joints are on the hips, instead. I'd personally prefer to have to pose my figure crouching than knee-slacking.
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Aug 30 2008, 11:51 PM
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 Stone Champion Nuva Group: Outstanding BZPower Citizens Posts: 1584 Joined: 2-January 08 Member No.: 70742
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I've noticed this too. It's pretty annoying when posing.
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Aug 31 2008, 02:28 AM
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It happened also to be in a minor part but it is easy to solve. (Just put the set in another way)
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Aug 31 2008, 04:26 AM
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with lewa
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Aug 31 2008, 06:46 AM
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Yeah, I get really irritated by them. It makes it harder to make a standing pose.
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Aug 31 2008, 06:59 AM
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If you don't want 'em to look like that, then don't pose 'em that way.
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Aug 31 2008, 07:56 AM
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Strange, I have never seen this "weak knee syndrome" before. None of the Bionicle in my collection have this, nor do they show any indication that there is a problem with their knees.
Maybe this only happens with pieces that have been taken apart a lot of times, but I don`t know any other solution than locking the knees in a 180 degrees position. -------------------- My Lego Network Visit it, please!!!!! :D
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Aug 31 2008, 08:17 AM
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QUOTE It's happned,but I don't mind-more realistic. I don't think that it is terribly realistic to have their knees be able to pivot from side to side, but maybe that's just me. QUOTE That's never happened to me... Maybe you should turn their legs around, so that the "loose" a joints are on the hips, instead. I'd personally prefer to have to pose my figure crouching than knee-slacking. The problem isn't that the socket is loose, it's that there is nothing on the lower leg piece to stop it from moving side to side. Swapping sockets wont change the fact that the ball moves more than just back and forth. QUOTE I've noticed this too. It's pretty annoying when posing. QUOTE Yeah, I get really irritated by them. It makes it harder to make a standing pose. Yep. You just have to be extra careful when posing some sets, because when mine slide like that, they usually fall over. QUOTE with lewa Do you mean that Lewa Phantoka's knees can pivot from side to side? If so, then yeah, I agree with you. QUOTE It happened also to be in a minor part but it is easy to solve. (Just put the set in another way) QUOTE I've never experienced these problems to such a degree. Perhaps taking more care in posing will help, but otherwise I got nothing for you. QUOTE If you don't want 'em to look like that, then don't pose 'em that way. Yes, I know not to pose them like that because it's unstable and it looks weird. I'm getting kind of tired of people telling me that...  QUOTE Strange, I have never seen this "weak knee syndrome" before. None of the Bionicle in my collection have this, nor do they show any indication that there is a problem with their knees. Maybe this only happens with pieces that have been taken apart a lot of times, but I don`t know any other solution than locking the knees in a 180 degrees position. I don't take my sets apart, so that can't be the problem. It's mostly only my sets with Rahkshi legs that have this problem, especially my Roodaka and my Lewa Phantoka. ~Purri -------------------- |
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Aug 31 2008, 12:31 PM
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i think it looks really bag big body and smalll legs it looks really ..... bad thats way i like the inika legs it soes not happen taht moch with them
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Aug 31 2008, 12:40 PM
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Yes, I noticed this when it first started. But I didn't mind too much...
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Aug 31 2008, 01:36 PM
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Only with Lewa Nuva 2008.
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Aug 31 2008, 02:08 PM
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My Lewa's legs are like yours...
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Aug 31 2008, 03:03 PM
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Its most evident in Roodaka and Lewa Phantoka. It is not a huge problem, but it does bother me.
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Aug 31 2008, 03:35 PM
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It happens. Happend to me a lot.
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Aug 31 2008, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE(KapuraGirl @ Aug 30 2008, 06:07 PM)  Although I find it to be the most evident with the Rahkshi legs and far less so with the Inika shins, all lower leg pieces will wobble back and forth at the knee. I think that this is incredibly annoying when you're trying to play with your sets because it makes for some really weird poses. Like this and this. See how Kopaka's shins are straight but his thighs are slanted? Has anyone else noticed this? Any suggestions for avoiding it? Thanks! ~Purri I've noticed it. I really don't care much about it, though. --------------------  |
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Aug 31 2008, 03:56 PM
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Yeah, it happens. Now stand up, and try to imitate it. Yeah, you can do that too.
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Aug 31 2008, 04:07 PM
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Loose ball joints can be tightened by applying a thin layer of clear nail polish or super glue to the ball joint. Let the ball joint cure and fully harden being reassembling it and the loose joint should be good as new.
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Aug 31 2008, 05:37 PM
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Nope. Only loose hip joints for me...
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Aug 31 2008, 06:05 PM
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Don't worry,
it's just a minor problem, that's all Plus, Humans who have weak bones have that thing And that bone failure is called Rickets _-_-_ Source: My Science book Lewa_NP --------------------  Call me a fool to leave, anybody, call me a fool to leave this site. I'm growing out of Bionicle, my likings of it are loose and my grip is slipping. I'm sorry, but this is my choice. Goodbye. |
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Aug 31 2008, 08:21 PM
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Ya, I agree. The knees on ym Lewa and my Antroz are pretty wobbly. My Kopaka's knees are as wobbly, but the armor plates pop off alot....That was kind of off topic.
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Sep 1 2008, 04:06 AM
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the lewa picture cracks me up!
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Sep 1 2008, 05:46 AM
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Yes, this has happened to me, It's been 5 yars since it started, so i've kinda got used to it
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Sep 1 2008, 06:05 AM
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Yes, it bugs me and that´s why I try to use Inika legs, that are significantly less wobbly and thus less annoying.
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Sep 1 2008, 09:48 AM
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Oh I've had that happen. Just straighten it out with your fingers and leeve the joints in that postion for while and that should help.
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Sep 1 2008, 10:09 AM
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I hate it when that happens.Ruins the entire thing for me.When it happens.Once every about never.
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Sep 1 2008, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE i think it looks really bag big body and smalll legs it looks really ..... bad thats way i like the inika legs it soes not happen taht moch with them QUOTE Yes, it bugs me and that´s why I try to use Inika legs, that are significantly less wobbly and thus less annoying. The wobbliest ones are...yes, Lewa´s leg pieces and that´s exactly why I swaped them with his arms. I like the Inika legs a lot, too. They are definitely the least wobbly. QUOTE Yes, I noticed this when it first started. But I didn't mind too much... QUOTE It happens. Happend to me a lot. QUOTE I've noticed it. I really don't care much about it, though. Yeah, as long as you're careful, you can pretty much avoid it. I still find it annoying sometimes though. QUOTE Only with Lewa Nuva 2008. QUOTE My Lewa's legs are like yours... QUOTE Its most evident in Roodaka and Lewa Phantoka. It is not a huge problem, but it does bother me. I definitely agree that it is most apparent with Lewa Phantoka. Maybe the big, bulky body and the skinny little legs make you notice it more?  I dunno... QUOTE Yeah, it happens. Now stand up, and try to imitate it. Yeah, you can do that too. So it's natural. I know, but I think it's different for humans. When I put Lewa into that pose, I bent his knees to the side first, then positioned his ankles so that his feet were flat on the ground. Essentially, his knees moving forced his hips and ankles into position. With a human, their hips (and ankles if they're standing) pull their knees into position for that exact same pose. Try this: sit down in a chair, then put your hands on your hips. Now turn your knees inward like Lewa. Can you feel the twist coming from your hip joints? See, with a human, their legs rotate at the hip to face their knees inward. With a Bionicle, their knees can pivot side to side without needing to move their hips. QUOTE Loose ball joints can be tightened by applying a thin layer of clear nail polish or super glue to the ball joint. Let the ball joint cure and fully harden being reassembling it and the loose joint should be good as new. Yay! Thanks a lot!QUOTE Nope. Only loose hip joints for me... Weird. My hip joints are never loose. QUOTE Don't worry, it's just a minor problem, that's all Plus, Humans who have weak bones have that thing And that bone failure is called Rickets _-_-_ Source: My Science book Yeah, I know it's no big deal, but it still gets annoying sometimes.... But thanks for that cool bit of info, Lewa_NP! QUOTE Ya, I agree. The knees on ym Lewa and my Antroz are pretty wobbly. My Kopaka's knees are as wobbly, but the armor plates pop off alot....That was kind of off topic. BTW - Welcome to BZP, KapuraGirl! I have Lewa, Kopaka, and Antroz too, and they all have either Rahkshi or Piraka legs, both of which I have found to be notoriously wobbly. Oh, well. They're all still really cool sets. BTW - Thanks! QUOTE the lewa picture cracks me up! Yeah, it does look kind of funny. QUOTE Yes, this has happened to me, It's been 5 yars since it started, so i've kinda got used to it If this is really annoying for you, why not just put a little extension thing (like Brutaka or Axonn) in there to stop it happening, all you need is some parts and MOCing experience. I can't do that because I don't have Brutaka or Axonn, but thanks anyway! QUOTE Oh I've had that happen. Just straighten it out with your fingers and leeve the joints in that postion for while and that should help. Thanks for the advice! QUOTE I hate it when that happens.Ruins the entire thing for me.When it happens.Once every about never. I mean COME ON!Unless you POSE them like that,it never happens. Um... okay? ~Purri This post has been edited by KapuraGirl: Sep 1 2008, 11:02 AM -------------------- |
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Sep 1 2008, 04:42 PM
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All of my sets joints' are pretty sturdy. I don't think any of mine wobble in or out like that.
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Sep 1 2008, 08:32 PM
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I don't have that problem for some reason. What happens to me is that at the top of the thigh wobbles a lot.
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Sep 1 2008, 10:47 PM
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QUOTE All of my sets joints' are pretty sturdy. I don't think any of mine wobble in or out like that. Do you have Lewa Phantoka? It is really noticeable on mine for some reason, but if you don't have him or any of the others that wobble for me, like Roodaka, you probably won't notice the problem. QUOTE I don't have that problem for some reason. What happens to me is that at the top of the thigh wobbles a lot. That's odd, my hip joints never wobble... ~Purri -------------------- |
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Sep 2 2008, 03:29 AM
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Lewa looks like he needs the bathroom....
I get this a lot, especially with Rahkshi and Toa Hordika, and I often try to fix it with blutack ( a kind of putty used for temperarily sticking posters to walls). Alternatively, you can change the limbs with other pieces. Inika and Metru legs are good. -Phovos -------------------- |
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Sep 2 2008, 10:10 AM
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reminds me of almost-broken joints; they become extremely loose - maybe you should check for cracks.
Somethig like that never happened to my Bionicle(s)  only to the MOCs... *leaves to check*
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Sep 2 2008, 04:26 PM
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I know I have troulbes displaying them on my shelf
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Sep 2 2008, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE Lewa looks like he needs the bathroom.... I get this a lot, especially with Rahkshi and Toa Hordika, and I often try to fix it with blutack ( a kind of putty used for temperarily sticking posters to walls). Alternatively, you can change the limbs with other pieces. Inika and Metru legs are good. I don't have any Toa Hordika, but lots of sets with Rahkshi legs definitely have that problem for me. I'll try using blutack, though. Good idea! QUOTE reminds me of almost-broken joints; they become extremely loose - maybe you should check for cracks. Somethig like that never happened to my Bionicle(s) only to the MOCs... *leaves to check* No, the problem for me isn't cracked sockets, (although that has happened *coughhahlimahricough*) it's that the ball on top of the lower leg piece can pivot side to side as well as back and forth. Look at one of your sets with Rahkshi legs. Straighten the knee out, then hold on to the bottom of the lower leg piece and move it left and right. See how there is nothing on the shin piece to stop it from wobbling? QUOTE I know I have troulbes displaying them on my shelf Yeah, you have to be extra careful posing some sets to avoid weird positions... ~Purri -------------------- |
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