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~Hihkan

Jul 5 2008, 10:33 AM

QUOTE(akrax the last elemental @ Jul 4 2008, 07:18 AM)

i think before so eons the makuta sealed mata nui phisical body in some part, i see that thing named `codrex´, i think the codrex it's a portal to the physical body of mata nui, about too the evil plan of the makuta....i think they want get those rare stone emblems for open the codrex and reach mata nui before the nuva, but if the physical body needs be founded, where is his real body?

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Dotor Shark PhD Bionicle

Jul 15 2008, 12:18 PM

From GD, reply in proper place

QUOTE(Toa Keyl @ Jul 14 2008, 02:02 PM)

QUOTE(Shark @ Jul 14 2008, 01:12 PM)

I think Matoran universe is Mata-Nui...Because he never specifically said 700,000 feet. He said Mata-Nui's height is closer tot hat then to 100,000 ft. It's very possible that he's even bigger. All we know on Mata-Nui's height is that he's 700,000 feet or bigger.

Remember that a little more than 5000 ft is a mile, so that means that the Universe is less than 140 miles if Mata Nui is the domed universe, which isn't true as He's smaller than His namesake Island. He may be a dome of his own, but I don't want to make a wrong guess. Plus, *sigh* if he is the universe, then How could he have been created before he was created and activated?

, Greg said closer to 700000 thousand feet. Is a million miles closer to 700000 feet or 100000 feet.( example)

The universe was still being built when Tren krom was running it, as was Mata-Nui in the process of being built.

Oh Get Over Yourself

Jul 15 2008, 05:43 PM

You know...if Mata Nui is actually the Matoran Universe, than this means the Bohrok are essentially just a glorified electric razor.

Tenebrae Invictus

Jul 15 2008, 05:47 PM

QUOTE(Cathexis @ Jul 13 2008, 08:54 AM)

QUOTE(plue nuva @ Jul 13 2008, 08:42 AM)

What if, the reason its hard to tell if you've found Mata Nui or not, is because he is extremely small?

Look in GD for the topic about the Greg conference. Mata Nui is actually 100,000 feet tall.

And how exactly could Teridax conquer him if he's over a mile high?

Aravagantos

Jul 15 2008, 05:58 PM

QUOTE(-Makuta Antroz- @ Jul 16 2008, 12:47 AM)

QUOTE(Cathexis @ Jul 13 2008, 08:54 AM)

QUOTE(plue nuva @ Jul 13 2008, 08:42 AM)

What if, the reason its hard to tell if you've found Mata Nui or not, is because he is extremely small?

Look in GD for the topic about the Greg conference. Mata Nui is actually 100,000 feet tall.

And how exactly could Teridax conquer him if he's over a mile high?

Well, he used a virus once and worked pretty good.

Tradakk

Jul 15 2008, 06:08 PM

You guys are being waay too closed-minded.
Size isn't everything. Who's to say Mata-Nui can't be felled by something so much smaller than him? How do we humans die of miniscule things such as blood clots, or viruses? The manevolent creature/being in question finds a weak point and takes advantage of it. Simple as that.

Tenebrae Invictus

Jul 15 2008, 06:12 PM

Well, that does make sense, but he used a virus? I never knew that since I'm still on Legends #5.

Dotor Shark PhD Bionicle

Jul 15 2008, 07:55 PM

QUOTE(Cathexis @ Jul 15 2008, 04:43 PM)

You know...if Mata Nui is actually the Matoran Universe, than this means the Bohrok are essentially just a glorified electric razor.

Yep. Guess all that junk on your face isn't good for you when you sleep.

Imma guess it isn't good to be on Mata-Nui, the Island, when Mata-nui, the Spirit, wakes up.

"Ahhhhhhh!" falls to doom.

In the domes they'd be safe. Mata-Nui controls the gravity in there.

~Sernakann~

Jul 16 2008, 06:53 PM

Anyone who believes in the "Matoran Universe is Mata Nui" theory (like me) will want to see this.

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Lord Koji

Jul 17 2008, 08:06 AM

Yeah, it sounds like he might be, but due to his sizer its becoming more doubtful for the reason that the universe seems larger, as far as we know, than Mata-Nui's proposed height.

Darth Gonwa

Sep 5 2008, 01:56 PM

Long while since there's been a post in here, but I figured I may as well post this quote from Greg about Mata Nui being the MU. Futile effort to disprove the theory, though the answer that I bolded is interesting.

QUOTE

I was hoping you could clarify this quote from the OGD:

QUOTE

2.Can Mata Nui create universes?
b.Travel to other universes?

2b) Mata Nui can travel outside of the domed universe, yes, but he cannot travel to different dimensions the way an Olmak user can. He can travel in the universe that is outside of the domed Matoran universe.

From one perspective, it seems you're saying Mata Nui can go in and out of the MU, while from another, it only seems like you said he could travel outside (which technically is all you said). So, which perspective would you say is true? If you can't answer, I understand.

Thanks!

But if he travels outside the domed universe, he is going to another universe. The MU is only the areas inside the domes, it doesn't include the planet outside, etc.

So when you say "travel outside the domed universe", you mean he can get up and leave the universe whether it be by some sort of portal, or gate, or what have you? Not just that he can move around outside the domed universe?

Isn't it the same thing? If he is moving around outside the domed universe, then he isn't IN the domed universe at the same time, right?

You're right, but what I'm trying to get is whether or not Mata Nui is the MU, just, without asking you that directly, because I know you wouldn't answer to something like "Is Mata Nui the Matoran universe?". That's why I asked; if Mata Nui could get up and leave the MU and walk around outside it, he obviously isn't the MU, since he could move around inside it.

No point in trying to get at this indirectly either, since I am not allowed to discuss it. His nature will be known in two months or so, so you guys will get your answers then.

Freeze

Sep 5 2008, 04:02 PM

QUOTE(#1 bionicle fan 2008 @ Jul 18 2008, 12:20 AM)

Guys... Greg has already confirmed that mata-nui is NOT the universe.

*sigh*

Like all of the other six trillion people who claim Greg has said this, where's the evidence? Ask him yourself. He's NEVER stated that.

Besides, everything fits in the theory. Ko-Metru's his cortex, Onu-Metru's his memory, etc...

HOWEVER- I don't think Karda Nui's his heart. Otherwise, he'd be a deformed creature, with a massive lump sticking out of his back. I don't think Lego would make him like that.

-Freeze

Reya

Sep 6 2008, 04:46 PM

But why could the domes not be linked to each other? Picture a giant humanoid made of rock, with hollow domes inside his head, torso, arms, and legs -- that would be Mata Nui.

Reya

Vezon the Charming Maniac

Sep 6 2008, 05:15 PM

All that the domes are inside of though, is the planet, itself.

Reya

Sep 6 2008, 05:23 PM

We don't know that. What we do know is that the domes are only located on one portion of the planet, and that they are not physically bonded to it. Especially the latter seems to point towards them beings a seperate, collective mass or entity.

Reya

Zexion

Sep 6 2008, 08:07 PM

I posted this in the OGD, thought I'd post it here too.

QUOTE

WOW! I haven't PMed you in a month, amazing isn't it.

Anyway, I have seen that majority of the posts in the OGD are about the debate questioning if Mata Nu is the MU or is not. And to hopefully quell some of the this, I have some questions that hopefully you can anwser.

1) Can the MU leave the Bionicle Planet.

2) Is Mata Nui mobile.

3) Was the MU finished before Mata Nui was or were they finish being made about the same time?

Thanks in advance.

~Zexion

1) Yes
2) Yes
3) The MU was finished before Mata Nui was brought to life, and I would not consider a creation finished until it is brought to life, myself.

Nittany Nuva

Sep 7 2008, 03:40 PM

QUOTE(Zexion @ Sep 6 2008, 10:07 PM)

I posted this in the OGD, thought I'd post it here too.

QUOTE

WOW! I haven't PMed you in a month, amazing isn't it.

Anyway, I have seen that majority of the posts in the OGD are about the debate questioning if Mata Nu is the MU or is not. And to hopefully quell some of the this, I have some questions that hopefully you can anwser.

1) Can the MU leave the Bionicle Planet.

2) Is Mata Nui mobile.

3) Was the MU finished before Mata Nui was or were they finish being made about the same time?

Thanks in advance.

~Zexion

1) Yes
2) Yes
3) The MU was finished before Mata Nui was brought to life, and I would not consider a creation finished until it is brought to life, myself.

This is a biggie. I saw when you posted this in the OGD (I wish the arguments in there showed up in here :/).
This proves that the MU is not physically part of the Bionicle planet. It can leave the planet. There was also a quote stating that Mata Nui himself is able to leave the Bionicle planet. Don't you guys find it weird that, what you consider to simply be a landmass can depart the planet it's connected to?

The big thing I've noticed is that a large majority of the members here are ignorant to the fact that the Matoran Universe is restricted to the domes. It's not the planet, and sun and neighboring galaxies like how we define a universe. I'm sick of seeing "LOL mata nui is shaped like a guy he cant be a planets".

Technically, according to the theory, Mata Nui is not the Matoran Universe. However, the MU is contained within his body. You wouldn't say that you are your circulatory system, or you are your intestines. It just doesn't make sense.

Also, here's some proof that the Southern Continent isn't so far south as people seem to want to think:

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Q: Are there islands very far south of the southern continent? I figured that they only called it the southern continent because there's a northern continent, and that there's a bunch of islands still south of it. But that's just a guess on my part -- I'd like confirmation.

A: There are largely unexplored islands to the far south.

So obviously the SC isn't in the "far south".

And I'm sure it's simply a coincidence that locations on the island of Mata Nui are Maori words for parts of the face, or that two sunholes just happened to close when Mata Nui fell asleep. Or that Metru Nui, which is the single northernmost island, happens to have those sunholes in proportion to where eyes on a face would be. Or that Mata Nui was created at the same time the Matoran Universe was. Or that the MU itself can detach from the planet and leave it, and so can Mata Nui (who is the only being who can do so).

Riisiing Moon

Sep 9 2008, 05:54 PM

Mata-Nui isn't anywhere near Tren Krom or we'd know about it. You've probably heard this before, but you might not know that Greg said years before 07. He said that we already know where Mata-Nui is, he's just not going to tell me directly.

Freeze

Sep 10 2008, 09:57 AM

... Which is another thing to support the theory!

And it's not hard to find him, it's not hard to find something that's all around you, but the trick is knowing you've found him

-Freeze

Zeddy

Sep 10 2008, 10:00 AM

QUOTE(Zexion @ Sep 6 2008, 08:07 PM)

I posted this in the OGD, thought I'd post it here too.

QUOTE

WOW! I haven't PMed you in a month, amazing isn't it.

Anyway, I have seen that majority of the posts in the OGD are about the debate questioning if Mata Nu is the MU or is not. And to hopefully quell some of the this, I have some questions that hopefully you can anwser.

1) Can the MU leave the Bionicle Planet.

2) Is Mata Nui mobile.

3) Was the MU finished before Mata Nui was or were they finish being made about the same time?

Thanks in advance.

~Zexion

1) Yes
2) Yes
3) The MU was finished before Mata Nui was brought to life, and I would not consider a creation finished until it is brought to life, myself.

Wow, well, that's news. (Even if it is 3 or 4 days old. )

So I guess PP was right.

And now we can safely assume Mata Nui is the MU.

Taka-kun

Sep 10 2008, 10:12 AM

I think I read on OGD that Mata Nui can use the Toa elemental power since he bestows them those powers, or am I wrong?

~Vohkan~

Sep 10 2008, 10:22 AM

I'm not sure if this has already been said, but another thing that backs up the MN=MU theory, is that if the Matoran stop working, then Mata Nui grows weak. Very similar to how if some of the cells in a human stop working, then they grow weak (or die). The Matoran could be like Mata Nui's cells!

Here's how it could go:

Heroes (Toa, OoMN, etc.) = White cells
Matoran= Blood cells
Villains (Makuta, Dark Hunters, etc.)= Viruses

I'm not saying the characters ARE cells. I'm just saying they might work LIKE cells.

Sorry if its already been said.

Uriel

Sep 10 2008, 11:39 AM

QUOTE(Ussal Crab @ Sep 10 2008, 09:22 AM)

I'm not sure if this has already been said, but another thing that backs up the MN=MU theory, is that if the Matoran stop working, then Mata Nui grows weak. Very similar to how if some of the cells in a human stop working, then they grow weak (or die). The Matoran could be like Mata Nui's cells!

Here's how it could go:

Heroes (Toa, OoMN, etc.) = White cells
Matoran= Blood cells
Villains (Makuta, Dark Hunters, etc.)= Viruses

I'm not saying the characters ARE cells. I'm just saying they might work LIKE cells.

Sorry if its already been said.

Actually, if that theory is correct, I wouldn't describe the villains as viruses. The Makuta - since the modify organic protodermis to create Rahi - do function like viruses, but the Dark Hunters et al. would probably be more like cancers, or damaged cells.

tomdroidser

Sep 10 2008, 05:59 PM

QUOTE(Ussal Crab @ Sep 10 2008, 07:22 AM)

I'm not sure if this has already been said, but another thing that backs up the MN=MU theory, is that if the Matoran stop working, then Mata Nui grows weak. Very similar to how if some of the cells in a human stop working, then they grow weak (or die). The Matoran could be like Mata Nui's cells!

Here's how it could go:

Heroes (Toa, OoMN, etc.) = White cells
Matoran= Blood cells
Villains (Makuta, Dark Hunters, etc.)= Viruses

I'm not saying the characters ARE cells. I'm just saying they might work LIKE cells.

Sorry if its already been said.

The analogy doesn't fit. How can blood cells become white blood cells? This analogy doesn't make sense.

-Tomdroidser

Uriel

Sep 10 2008, 07:19 PM

QUOTE(tomdroidser @ Sep 10 2008, 04:59 PM)

QUOTE(Ussal Crab @ Sep 10 2008, 07:22 AM)

I'm not sure if this has already been said, but another thing that backs up the MN=MU theory, is that if the Matoran stop working, then Mata Nui grows weak. Very similar to how if some of the cells in a human stop working, then they grow weak (or die). The Matoran could be like Mata Nui's cells!

Here's how it could go:

Heroes (Toa, OoMN, etc.) = White cells
Matoran= Blood cells
Villains (Makuta, Dark Hunters, etc.)= Viruses

I'm not saying the characters ARE cells. I'm just saying they might work LIKE cells.

Sorry if its already been said.

The analogy doesn't fit. How can blood cells become white blood cells? This analogy doesn't make sense.

-Tomdroidser

No analogy absolutely corresponds with the analogous situation - if it did, it would be the situation itself, not an anology. Besides, it's like saying, "Matoran don't carry oxygen to the various parts of Mata Nui's body - therefore, your analogy doesn't make sense." It doesn't have to be perfect.