Isn't it a bit strange that Vakama just happens to know just about everything about the Bohrok Swarms?
For example: In comic 3 [UK April 2002{The Bohrok Awake}] In the frame when Tahu says 'Stay here. We shall deal with this!' Vakama seems to be standing behind all the Toa, his arms raised high. He could be contolling the Bohrok. As he has a Huna mask of concealment, he could be still standing there, invisible. A little later in the comic, when Tahu asks how Vakama knows so much about these creatures, he replies 'There will be time later to reveal all.'
He appears in the most unlikely places. In the MNOLG, in the end speech, he somehow knows that the Chronicler will have many more adventures and that he knows what he saw in the cave... 'Something yet darker looms ahead of us.' Perhaps Vakama is subtly hinting that there IS more to come, because he is the evil being controlling everything that happens on Mata-Nui. The other Turaga might be involved in this as well. If you think about their Kanohi, you will see that they can easily work as a team to bring about the Bohrok. Illusion, Translation, Concealment, MIND CONTROL, Telekinesis, and Night Vision.
Illusion - Make it seem that there is more to be done [making larger swarms of Bohrok etc]
Translation - To read the ancient text to bring about the hatching of the Bohrok
Concealment - To stay hidden when commanding their forces
Mind Control - Bend the villagers will against the Toa [or to control the Bahrag]
Telekinesis - To strategically place and move the Krana around Mata-Nui
Night Vision - To move around via the Onu-Koronan tunnels with stealth so they can access any part of Mata-Nui easily.

So what's your view???

It never came to my mind until now but yeah Vakama could just be evil but I'm not so sure about the other Turaga I just have this feeling about this it sort of reminds me of Saruman from Lord of the Rings becoming evil.

Edit: Yay I'm a Tohunga

Maybe Vakama has strayed from the quest- and Takua will overcome and replace him- Maybe...

- MK

Well- According to the bionicle storyline, there was a legend that the turuga knew. It was about the bohrok coming after Makuta was defeated. Since the legend probaly talked all about the Bohrok, and the Turuga kept it a secret with themselves so they wouldn't disapoint the Matoran.

But your theory is very possible, and it really does sound like LEGO is hiding something behind the Turuga.

The Turaga did know... And I'm sure they knew old prophecies about more darkness to come to Mata Nui.

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But your theory is very possible, and it really does sound like LEGO is hiding something behind the Turuga.

GregF said that the Turaga still know more. Hopefully they have some clues about the Rahkshi!

I doubt that the Turaga could use their masks as "weapons" or anything, and I certainly don't think that they controlled the Bahrag. But good theory, Kasterian_Matoro.

A huge amount of knowledge is always rather intimidating. There are many books (Lord of the Rings, for example) where the characters (Gandalf) who know so much seem rather, well, evil. Often people who are grim (i.e. Vakama, in a way) and aware of their future - and perhaps that it is hard - seem rather evil, or callous. Perhaps we should consider that.

maybe the turaga will change in the Rahksi...

The Turaga know BIONICLE, Bionicle is a legend the Turaga put thier faith in. They know that it will happen, and it is now. The Turaga know from front to end what should happen and when it should, but no one else does, for if they did too much knowledge of something that is contained by the wrong person could mean destruction! So the Turaga keep it between themselves.

The turaga are sorta scary.... and after I read the book Fellowship of the Ring, Sauron gave me the idea to make a "traitor" turaga. Only it wasn't Vakama, it was Nuju. He looks eviler.

U make a good point but I don't recone that Vakama is evil

i agree with Takua11. that prophecy is what they know. more parts of the prophecy will be revealed as time goes on.

u've got a point there..... mabye the turaga used the Bahrag as pawns so they could still look trustworthy... hmmmmmmmm

Hmmm...Never thought of that.But it's probably because LEGO wanted to make sure fans knew enough about the Bohrok.

You know...that's REALLY a stretch.

The Bahrag control the Swarms...not Vakama.

Also...Vakama knows alot because I believe he's the oldest Turaga.

And why doesn't he share what he knows? Simple...Bionicle is all about destiny...and Vakama knows its not his place to meddle.

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Also...Vakama knows alot because I believe he's the oldest Turaga.

I think it said that somewhere...

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And why doesn't he share what he knows? Simple...Bionicle is all about destiny...and Vakama knows its not his place to meddle.

It's like The Matrix. Neo doesn't believe in destiny because he doesn't like the idea of someone controlling his life, but in the end, it turns out that all of the stuff came true. And Trinity never did tell Neo all of her story from the Oracle, so he didn't know he was the One until he knew it!

Wow, The Matrix and Bionicle are kinda similar!

the turaga are PROPHETS! they do know all that the "leaders of paradise" want them to know which is a lot apparently... at this point they proly know about the rahkshi....

the reason they dont want to reveal it is if you knew your future.. and you saw bad stuff, you would change it right?
the toa have destinies to fulfil!! so the turaga cant anger the "leaders of paradise" by showing the toa their fate!!

I WILL NOT GIVE UP HOPE IN THE TURAGA!!!

P.S. so many topics on this lately!!

QUOTE (Makuta Master @ Dec 20 2002, 09:33 PM)

It's like The Matrix. Neo doesn't believe in destiny because he doesn't like the idea of someone controlling his life, but in the end, it turns out that all of the stuff came true. And Trinity never did tell Neo all of her story from the Oracle, so he didn't know he was the One until he knew it! Wow, The Matrix and Bionicle are kinda similar!

ummm no. The Matrix is way cooler than bionicle

Makuta Master, r u gonna see The Matrix Reloaded, i am. its coming out May 15. Its probably gonna b cool.

QUOTE (Kasterian_Matoro @ Dec 20 2002, 01:20 AM)

Isn't it a bit strange that Vakama just happens to know just about everything about the Bohrok Swarms? For example: In comic 3 [UK April 2002{The Bohrok Awake}] In the frame when Tahu says 'Stay here. We shall deal with this!' Vakama seems to be standing behind all the Toa, his arms raised high. He could be contolling the Bohrok. As he has a Huna mask of concealment, he could be still standing there, invisible. A little later in the comic, when Tahu asks how Vakama knows so much about these creatures, he replies 'There will be time later to reveal all.' He appears in the most unlikely places. In the MNOLG, in the end speech, he somehow knows that the Chronicler will have many more adventures and that he knows what he saw in the cave... 'Something yet darker looms ahead of us.' Perhaps Vakama is subtly hinting that there IS more to come, because he is the evil being controlling everything that happens on Mata-Nui. The other Turaga might be involved in this as well. If you think about their Kanohi, you will see that they can easily work as a team to bring about the Bohrok. Illusion, Translation, Concealment, MIND CONTROL, Telekinesis, and Night Vision. Illusion - Make it seem that there is more to be done [making larger swarms of Bohrok etc] Translation - To read the ancient text to bring about the hatching of the Bohrok Concealment - To stay hidden when commanding their forces Mind Control - Bend the villagers will against the Toa [or to control the Bahrag] Telekinesis - To strategically place and move the Krana around Mata-Nui Night Vision - To move around via the Onu-Koronan tunnels with stealth so they can access any part of Mata-Nui easily. So what's your view???

yeah and they dont warn the toa so they can prepare although they are always fighting evil

QUOTE (Kasterian_Matoro @ Dec 20 2002, 03:20 AM)

Isn't it a bit strange that Vakama just happens to know just about everything about the Bohrok Swarms? For example: In comic 3 [UK April 2002{The Bohrok Awake}] In the frame when Tahu says 'Stay here. We shall deal with this!' Vakama seems to be standing behind all the Toa, his arms raised high. He could be contolling the Bohrok. As he has a Huna mask of concealment, he could be still standing there, invisible. A little later in the comic, when Tahu asks how Vakama knows so much about these creatures, he replies 'There will be time later to reveal all.' He appears in the most unlikely places. In the MNOLG, in the end speech, he somehow knows that the Chronicler will have many more adventures and that he knows what he saw in the cave... 'Something yet darker looms ahead of us.' Perhaps Vakama is subtly hinting that there IS more to come, because he is the evil being controlling everything that happens on Mata-Nui. The other Turaga might be involved in this as well. If you think about their Kanohi, you will see that they can easily work as a team to bring about the Bohrok. Illusion, Translation, Concealment, MIND CONTROL, Telekinesis, and Night Vision. Illusion - Make it seem that there is more to be done [making larger swarms of Bohrok etc] Translation - To read the ancient text to bring about the hatching of the Bohrok Concealment - To stay hidden when commanding their forces Mind Control - Bend the villagers will against the Toa [or to control the Bahrag] Telekinesis - To strategically place and move the Krana around Mata-Nui Night Vision - To move around via the Onu-Koronan tunnels with stealth so they can access any part of Mata-Nui easily. So what's your view???

I think the Turaga are good, they just (conveniently ) know alot.

The Turaga are not evil.
The reason they know all this stuff about the evil on Mata-Nui is because (according to the MNOLG) they "read the stars" and find prophecies.

I think the turaga hide some of their information so people do not panic. I mean, if someone told me that monsters from space were going to invade earth in two weeks I would panic. then there would be no peace and nobody would be organized enough to fight back.

The Turaga control the Bahrag. These in turn control the Bohrok. But what I don't understand, is that why do the Turaga want to control the Island? Is this some new plot to gain power, or did they make a pact with Makuta? [They are the slaves of Makuta. Wouldn't it be interesting if the Toa were sent by Mata-Nui [an EVIL god] to the island to foil Makuta's plans for peace. Makuta [a GOOD god] managed to send him to sleep, but only after the Toa were unleashed. Now Makuta is sending Rahi, Bohrok and so on, to try and destroy the Toa. - This is by Kinsal-Sandi {My brother}]
There is a lot still behind the veil...
By the way, what are the Rahkshi?

QUOTE (Tahrak @ Dec 20 2002, 03:44 AM)

It never came to my mind until now but yeah Vakama could just be evil but I'm not so sure about the other Turaga I just have this feeling about this it sort of reminds me of Saruman from Lord of the Rings becoming evil.

Dude, I'm thinking the same thing. :|
eerie...
I dont think lego would to something like that, but it would make for an interesting story, and now i've got a good idea for a fanfic now...
*Im going to work on a story where vakama IS evil!*

I think you have a point there. Its very well thought out and has a lot of truth in the theory.

But.

I do really doubt that the Turaga are evil. Remeber in the Matrix
Morpheus says that the Oracle told Neo exactly what he needed to hear. Theres a difference between knowing the path, and walkin the path.

Its destiny. The Turaga don't want to reveal every thing to the Toa/Nuva because if they knew that when they defeated the Bahrag, they would turn Nuva, it may have led there minds to wanting this new power so desperately that they would not have any thought except towards that power.

You could b right maybe ONEWA brought the Tahnoks to his village!!!

I don't trust Onewa, HE told Hafu to go after the Tahnoks, and he tried to destract Huki while trying to save Pohatu & Hafu. But you have a good point about Vakama.

I think the turaga know the whole life story of the toa so the stop anything that was not supposed to happen but if they say it the will die or some kind of cataclysmic fatality will occur.

Maybe the turaga are evil beings. just a thought

QUOTE (Makuta @ Dec 20 2002, 07:07 AM)

maybe the turaga will change in the Rahksi...

No. These little guys turning into those extremely cool, evil-looking guys? I think not.

They are not evil, they are just acting out Mata-Nui's destiny.

The Turaga being evil masterminds?! That seems a little- "out there", but I guess it could be possible. I think the Turaga really just use the Red Star and their wisdom to predict future events. Of course the Red Star isn't dead accurate, but the Turaga always seem to know what's about to go down.

QUOTE (GoldenOnua @ Dec 20 2002, 11:27 AM)

The turaga are sorta scary.... and after I read the book Fellowship of the Ring, Sauron gave me the idea to make a "traitor" turaga. Only it wasn't Vakama, it was Nuju. He looks eviler.

NUJU!?!?!?! He's the only Turaga I trust!

I don't think that the Turaga are evil. Man who could you trust then besides know that Whenua tries to find nests of rahis in Onu-koro to protect the village and the Matoran cause if the Matoran would crack the rocks so the rahi could start attacking them it would be big trouble. You can all find this in the MNOLG.

ya know, you got a point. maybe they turn out to be next years enamys, or somthing. only time will tell.

Maybe they want to rule all of Mata Nui, instead of just the villages.They might want to make Makuta their new god.

I really doubt that the Turaga want Makuta to be their new god cause they summoned the Toa with help from Takua who collected the six toa stones. But only people who played the game boy game or heard from friends know that. The Turaga protected their villages many times. They know a lot but they dedacated their lives to the prophecies and to study them so it makes sence.

they probably dont want to scare the matoran
im a tohunga

I really really really REALLY do not think that!

Interesting theory, I also thought of the Turaga being evil, or at least some of them. Notice how the Rahkshi have staffs, like the Turaga. Mind Control doesn't seem like a power a good guy would use alot, I know the Toa sometimes use it for good, but it doesn't seem right to control the Matoran. Vakama knows too much, I also suspect Nuju.

Tomiam