How do Kranaless Bohrok still live? A Kranaless Bohrok usually is plain immobile, but in the "After the Storm" update on bionicle.com, the Kranaless Pahrak can still move around and help the Matoran.

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To answer your question: my guess is, that the Krana were reduced to powerless things, and that now the Bohrok have regained some power of their own.

But next time, post your theories in the Storyline and Theories Forum, not in Sets. Just to help you out, it's nothing bad or something. But you should request this to be moved by a moderator.

i didnt know, but now i agree with sk

A very good question.
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I used to think that the bohrok could still move without the krana(I it is out of the head)

Remember when those beams of light hit those Pahrak? Maybe it gave them some life of their own. But I think those bohrok are annoyed some of the them are being destroyed for Boxors.(Or not)


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But, the Bohrok are machines, made by the Krana/Bahrag to give the Krana an advantage in battle. How could they function on their own? I know that the Exos are machines, and they can move indapendently, but they are very mysterious. The Bohrok do not function on their own!

But that leads to another question - If the Bohrok-Va only carry the Krana, not actually use them, how do they function on their own? Something tells me that the Bohrok-Va are either living creatures like the Rahi or were made by the Krana/Bahrag like the Bohrok but can function on their own.

It's a Mysterious Mystery of Strange Mysteries, all right... Moving to Storylines and Theories.

good question. i dont know the answer

Maybe the krana are just things that control the bohrok, but they don't need them

~GM~

The Bohrok with or without krana never live, they function. They are machines. They need power. The krana
gave them power as well as brains. Most likely, the Toa Nuva give the Bohrok power and put them under the Nuvas' will.

Remember in comic....5 i think it was, when Gali had taken the Krana from the Tahnok they were still after her, I think this means that, parting a Bohrok from it's Krana can stop it sometimes, but many of the Bohrok are stronger than that, so even Kranaless they can still move. this is just my opinion on the matter.

-Janus

Yeah, maybe the Krana still has a bit of influance over the Bohrok. Look at that pic of Kopaka looking at the Krana from the Update (Vakama talks about Krana). Look at the Kohrak in the background. There's lots of slime in the Brain-pan.

But if the Krana still has an influance over that Pahrak, why is it helping the Matoran? A more likely idea is that Nuparu programmed the Bohrok to help the Matoran. After all, they are machines, and throw in an engineer...

I agree with the person who said the krana gave them brains and power and when the beams hit them they got power but are brainless so they obey the matoran and nuva.

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QUOTE (Bohrok Awakener @ Dec 23 2002, 10:46 PM)

But if the Krana still has an influance over that Pahrak, why is it helping the Matoran? A more likely idea is that Nuparu programmed the Bohrok to help the Matoran. After all, they are machines, and throw in an engineer...

Hey, I didn't think about it that way! You could be right, after all, he was there at Ga-Koro.
But then again, all he knows about Bohrok is how to use their parts. Wouldn't a complete Bohrok be a bit too much for him?
Anyway, the only way to solve this is to ask GregF. He'll have an answer for us, no doubt.

i think becuse the bahrag were gone. when the bahrag were alive/un-traped, the bohrok, were just,? they were never alive.! WHAT IF THEY ARE ALIVE NOW???

(Hasn't this been discussed before?)

First, GregF has said that the Bohrok Va have a "direct link" to the Bahrag.

Second, he also said that the Toa Nuva are now functioning as the Bohroks controllers, which happened when (I think) the bright light hit them in the latest episode.

Okay! My turn!

At first, I thought there was a simple answer--"Power Transference".
Let us say that the Bohrok have great power, but not as much as the Great Kanohi. When a Krana is placed in the brainpan, the power is transferred to the Krana. When removed, the Krana's stolen energy slowly returns to the Bohrok.
But, I thought, what about when the Bahrag are captured, and when the Bohrok launch Krana? You don't see Bohrok who've attacked getting up and walking about, do you?
So, I've started another theory. Be warned--this one is much longer, and will seem to make no sense until the end.

So without further ado--"Power Transference and the Bahrag".
First off, we know that the Bahrag Queens control the Krana. This will, later on, be very important.
Second, in the Comic, the Bahrag "talk" about restoring Mata Nui to how it was in the Before Time. How is this significant, you ask? Well, what does the Legend of Mata Nui say?

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In a Time Before Time, the Great Spirit Mata Nui was sent down from Paradise to protect all living things...

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Let us assume that the Legend's "Time Before Time" and the Bahrag's "Before Time" are one and the same. Therefore, the Bahrag may have ruled the island before the Spirit's arrival. Let us also assume that Krana and Bohrok were there also, terrorising the Matoran (Then Tohunga) of that time.
When Mata Nui arrived, he banished the Bahrag and their servants to an area deep down under the island, which he called 'The Mangaia'. He also cast a great spell to send the Bahrag/Krana into a deep slumber, but did not affect the Bahrag. Here, Mata Nui's pre-history ends and its history begins.
When Makuta arrived, he also cast a spell of slumber, this time on Mata Nui (The Spirit, not the island), and sent him into a deep slumber of his own. The Makuta took over the Mangaia, and used it for his own evil purposes (Note: The Mangaia may have been designed and created by Mata Nui, for the banishment of the Bahrag). Makuta never noticed that there was a door further into the Mangaia marked with the Symbol of the Swarms.
The Bahrag knew of Makuta's arrival, but did not see it as an opportunity. Why? What happens when two separate evils clash over one landmass? They fight for dominance! The Bahrag believed they would lose this fight.
When the Toa defeated Makuta, the Bahrag saw their chance. They sent telepathic messages to the Xas of each swarm, commanding them to awake and hatch. Takua just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Note that, as the Krana were in the Bohrok when Mata nui commanded them to sleep, my original theory still holds-so far.
Now to the point of this theory--Krana have minor power, which is enough to help them scuttle slowly across the floor. When placed in a Bohrok, the Krana drains the Bohrok's energy, much like the Bahrag Twins absorb energy from each other, which it uses to control the Bohrok while its telepathic link with the Bahrag remains unbroken. if Krana are released from the Bohrok accidentally, and are killed, like in the Onu-Koro flood, the stolen energy has no time to return to the Bohrok. Instead, the Bohrok shuts down, and the energy rises to Paradise, as it is impossible to create or destroy energy.
When a Krana is placed on a Toa, Turaga or Matoran, the stolen energy is being used to assert control over the victim, and the former host collapses.
When the Bahrag are captured, their telepathic link to the Krana is broken. The Krana still hold the stolen energy while they are inside the Bohrok, BUT they cannot use it to control the Bohrok. the Bohrok have minor control over themselves again, but their power source (the Krana) has been cut off from them, and so they collapse. removal of the Krana will return the stolen energy to the Bohrok, and they become self-powered machines. They will stand up, but, having no intelligence, will remain standing gormlessly until they are set a task.
There. Long, eh?
I hav enot yet devised a theory for the Bohrok Va. Probably for the best, eh?

The Bohrok probably do not need the Krana to survive...rather the other way around. The Krana were just controlling theBohrok, and with tha Bahrag (and therefore, their commands) gone they were easily defeated. I think theTuraga are using the Noble Mask of Telekinesis to control them.

dude 1988's therorie makes the most sense to me so far

nice job! i dont think there could be any better explanation than that

the krana are like brains the borhag put in them to bend to their will so without them they are free i think

The bohrok are machines, empty shells that the Krana use to give themselves power. Krana are the evil personalities and intellegence of the bohrok. Once the Krana is gone, the bohrok stops functioning. But, the reason the bohrok work for the matoran after the nuva return is without the Bahrag in control of the Krana,there is no need for Krana. Like,say,the maker of Power-ade stops making it, then without the company producing or controling the sales of it anymore,there would be no use for it.

I think the wisest thing to do would be to ask Greg.

guys they still had krana,but they where shocked!

Well as I see it the power oof the krana are given to the Bohrok because of the beams that hit them but the Krana can't give instructions anymore. The Bohrok have become working machines but they don't have anything to work on. So now the Matoran can give them instructions and they do what are told. As for the Bohrok Va I see them as living creatures with backpacs to carry around the Krana and give some instructions to the Bohrok but under command of the Bahrag like bee's and a queen or like workingants and their queen.

Euh Pakiti Nuva that can't be true cause they dumped all the Krana in deep pits look in the update.

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i was right. my BROTHER who ,sence his account dosn't work, posted that.

I think it could have been the power of the Toa Nuva, the defeat of the Bahrag, or the riding of the Krana. Those could be things that gave them that power. But the answer remains unknown.

QUOTE (gomaikel @ Dec 23 2002, 04:09 PM)

Maybe the krana are just things that control the bohrok, but they don't need them ~GM~

exactly right gomaikel. as in the episode when nuparu,taipu and onepu found the gahlok with its headplate open.when you close the headplate,they can function and be good.the bohrok were used for transport for the krana and without them,they're harmless.

QUOTE (Vorahk @ Dec 23 2002, 03:21 PM)

The Bohrok with or without krana never live, they function. They are machines. They need power. The krana gave them power as well as brains. Most likely, the Toa Nuva give the Bohrok power and put them under the Nuvas' will.

u took the words right out of my mouth

Also, in the newest comic, you can see in the background that the Kohrak-Va are helping the Ko-Matorans.

-KM-

I've been wondering that latly too.
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Hey! Bohrok are machines, right? I go with the theory that they are mindless robots, built to follow orders. The krana give them orders. The bohrok have no mind of their own, and when the krana leave them, they take orders from anything, since that is what they were programed to do. The bohrok Va do what they are programed to do. They are all just machines! And, if they take orders from anything once the krana is removed, other bohrok WITH krana could still give them orders. Kinda like the old infected masks, but this time on machines that carry out every order from anything...

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QUOTE (Janus @ Dec 23 2002, 08:34 PM)

Remember in comic....5 i think it was, when Gali had taken the Krana from the Tahnok they were still after her, I think this means that, parting a Bohrok from it's Krana can stop it sometimes, but many of the Bohrok are stronger than that, so even Kranaless they can still move. this is just my opinion on the matter. -Janus

OK, for one thing, those were pahrak krana, not tahnok. and for another thing, if they were the krana from those tahnok, the tahnok probably got their krana replaced by some bohrok va

Its possible that the without the krana thinking for them they are extremly susptible to suggestions. I guess the krana are a drug. You cut the addict off without weaning them and they can barely think on their own.

The Bohrok are simple machines used as weapons and transport vehicles for the krana. Since the krana are inactive, the Toa Nuva and/or Matoran hot-wired the Bohrok. Sounds reasonable.

QUOTE (SpongeEater @ Dec 24 2002, 03:20 PM)

Its possible that the without the krana thinking for them they are extremly susptible to suggestions. I guess the krana, for lack of a beter comparison, are like drugs. You cut the addict off without weaning them and they can barely think on their own.

thats a disturbing analogy.........zzzzzzzz...........oh yeah.


Hey! Bohrok are machines, right? I go with the theory that they are mindless robots, built to follow orders. The krana give them orders. The bohrok have no mind of their own, and when the krana leave them, they take orders from anything, since that is what they were programed to do. The bohrok Va do what they are programed to do. They are all just machines! And, if they take orders from anything once the krana is removed, other bohrok WITH krana could still give them orders. Kinda like the old infected masks, but this time on machines that carry out every order from anything... thats a good theory

The krana are just like the rain of the robot but wiht out the brain it can still live

My theory is that the Bohrok are just like any other machine. THe Krana merely were there to give them orders and without them they are free to be ordered by others such as the Matorans. It makes sense to me but the storyline may reveal what's truly behind the Bohrok moving without Krana. We can only wonder...

the krana dont keep bohrok alive, they just control them.

I have no idea and welcome to

There could be many posebillates. i transformed my bohrok now its as bad as bad can get hehehehehe

Forget GregF. I have the answer: (quote) T he Bahrag control the Krana, which in turn control the bohrok. (un-quote) With the Bahrag defeated, the Krana are no longer controled by them. Then the Toa Nuva come, and with there new powers, they now control the Krana and/or the Bohrok.

QUOTE (makuta77740 @ Dec 24 2002, 08:02 PM)

Forget GregF. I have the answer: (quote) T he Bahrag control the Krana, which in turn control the bohrok. (un-quote) With the Bahrag defeated, the Krana are no longer controled by them. Then the Toa Nuva come, and with there new powers, they now control the Krana and/or the Bohrok.

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a bohrok is alive, but is a host. The krana are a parasite, but are still in a type of symbiosis with the bohrok. When a bohrok is de-krana-ed, the bohrok is motionless, but once it is given a command, it will listen. The bad thing is is that the bohrok will take commands from anyone, because they have no mind, just the will drive\

QUOTE (chukhen @ Dec 24 2002, 03:47 PM)

QUOTE (SpongeEater @ Dec 24 2002, 03:20 PM) Its possible that the without the krana thinking for them they are extremly susptible to suggestions. I guess the krana, for lack of a beter comparison, are like drugs. You cut the addict off without weaning them and they can barely think on their own. thats a disturbing analogy.........zzzzzzzz...........oh yeah. Hey! Bohrok are machines, right? I go with the theory that they are mindless robots, built to follow orders. The krana give them orders. The bohrok have no mind of their own, and when the krana leave them, they take orders from anything, since that is what they were programed to do. The bohrok Va do what they are programed to do. They are all just machines! And, if they take orders from anything once the krana is removed, other bohrok WITH krana could still give them orders. Kinda like the old infected masks, but this time on machines that carry out every order from anything... thats a good theory

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I think that it was those beams of light. They must've given the Bohrok their own life. Or, maybe Naparu took one and gave it life...somehow. Maybe the Krana were changed by the light?

-Inuyasha

Maybe the Bohroks energy were saved when the Krana's power was destroyed.And welcome to !

QUOTE (Inuyasha @ Dec 25 2002, 09:26 AM)

I think that it was those beams of light. They must've given the Bohrok their own life. Or, maybe Naparu took one and gave it life...somehow. Maybe the Krana were changed by the light? -Inuyasha

I believe the Bohrok(not the krana) efected the beam of light. It's seem the light give the Bohrok can live without the Krana.

i agree with ang, the bohrok seem to get effected by the beam of light, after all the toa did defeat the bahrag, so when the shrines shot beams at the bohrok, that's why i bet how the toa nuva have control over the bohrok

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