On the back of comic 11, it says that when the opportunity to free the Bahrag is within the Kal's reach, the Krana turn silver and create a force feild around the Kal. At the end of the comic, the Kal were VERY close to freeing the Bahrag, so their Krana must be silver by then. If Tahu used the Vahi to freeze time, then he wouldn't be able to touch the Kal because of the sheild. Is it too late to stop the Kal?

But then, maybe Tahu went back in time to before the Kal had the force field and froze time there.

What do you think?

Err...Tahu found the Vahi and never found a use for it until now.I might report this.

I don't really understand what you're saying. It doesn't matter when Tahu found the Vahi, because he could travel through time to any time he wants.

I hate to sound mean, but the Vahi can't time travel....

The Vahi doesn't let you travel through time.It merely slows down time.Maybe Tahu will use it a the last second or something.That's the only way I can think of.Or maybe the Kal will free the Bahrag and then the Kal will go back to their pods (since they've completed their mission) and then the Toa will use the Vahi and trap the Bahrag again then the Kal will have to start all over again and get their silver Krana-Kal again but the Toa will remove their Krana and destroy them.Hehe, maybe that won't happen.I guess we'll just have to wait two more months to find out!

tahu is gonna slow down time and steal the symbols before they are all placed in the cube.
then they will fight the kal and then the nuva will have the stones. and they will use all thier power and destroy the kal.

Its not too late to stop the kal especcially when you can get the old bohrok working (Lehvak Tahnok)and have them all attack at once.

And any way the good guys always win. Although Lego must know this and they coould mak it so ..........

it's never too late.besides didn't you get the comic?tahu gets a vahi.

the point of this topic is it to late to stop the kal not if vahi can treavel thogho time its about if te kal are inmatal now. and the toa will have to use a mask becase te borhok can only be headerd mentaly and them only mask tjat can do that somwaht is the mask of telcantic abitys so dommed i tel you its doomede for the toa nooooooooooooooooooooooo.

well, the comic didnt say anything about it already happening so obveously there is still time.
also, i dont get what about freezing time, or whatever he is going to do, is so dangerous that it could mean the end of everything!

i can tell that none of you read carefully, because it said that the krana xa had to get in PHYSICAL CONTACT OF THE BAHRAG, not the nuva cube, the nuva cube with al the symbols on it just "opens the door" to the bahrag, so, the krana aren't silver, and with the mask of time, he could freeze time, take the symbols, get his powers the SECOND he gets his symbol, and then he cou'ld just do whatever he wanted to the kal, just slash and hack and slash and hack...

i'm gonna say this only ONCE:the VAHI only SLOWS DOWN TIME.hope that helps

But if Tahu froze time wouldn't the other Toa be frozen to??

Hasn't this topic already come up this week? Anyway if the "invicibility" is anything like Hau, the Bohrok-Kal wouldn't be "aware" of Tahu's attack, and anyway the story line is that the Bahrag get freed, so the Toa Nuva can battle them again!

Maybe the toa are chasing the Kal for the symbols and the use the vahi to slow time so that they can catch up

Posssibly, but I still come back to the idea wether the MoT is a "multi-user" mask? as in are the other Toa affected by slower time?

I dunno, I personally think that the silver krana-Kal are going to be just like the Silver Kanohi. They don't come into the storyline. They're mentioned, but they're not included.

I agree with <manas>. I also read that the XA had to come into physical contact. As long as Tahu can get one of the Xa, the Swarms won't restart and they will have all the time (no pun intended) they need. Or My own theory, each Xa represents a breed of Bohrok. So if Lehvak Kal got his Xa in contact then only th Lehvak would restart. That is my theory though. And contradicts my first theory. Either way I think that the Bahrag will get released. Because GregF said they would APPEAR again. But this time I think the Toa Nuva Totally destroy them. And Perhaps Tahu uses the mask of time and brings time to an almost complete halt. Then he gets the symbols (after the Bahrag are out) takes them off the cube, and puts them back on the suva's Then fights the Bahrag and Kal now with elemental powers. And I don't think the Kal don't fight. Because if Tahu does what I think he will then the Swarms won't be started yet. So their mission is not yet complete: Find the Bahrag / Free the Bahrag / RESTART THE BOHROK SWARMS. Of course that is what my twisted mind thinks will happen.

Firstly, Tahu had found the Vahi before and was dreading to use it. Secondly, The Vahi CAN NOT travel the user through time. Then, the Bohrok-Kal may not get their Silver Krana-Kal untill an XA makes contact with the Bahrag. The Bohrok Kal may still be able to be Defeated.

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QUOTE (ChromeLewa @ Mar 22 2003, 02:17 AM)

Its not too late to stop the kal especcially when you can get the old bohrok working (Lehvak Tahnok)and have them all attack at once. And any way the good guys always win. Although Lego must know this and they coould mak it so ..........

but couldn't gahlok-kal just use its magnetic power to hold the swarms in one place!?!

QUOTE (bioman101 @ Mar 22 2003, 12:34 AM)

i'm gonna say this only ONCE:the VAHI only SLOWS DOWN TIME.hope that helps

Where did you get this information? I do not remember reading anything about what the vahi does to time.

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Firstly, Tahu had found the Vahi before and was dreading to use it. Secondly, The Vahi CAN NOT travel the user through time. Then, the Bohrok-Kal may not get their Silver Krana-Kal untill an XA makes contact with the Bahrag. The Bohrok Kal may still be able to be Defeated.

When the Kal are about to put the symbols on the cube they are pretty close to completing their mission. Their Krana must be silver by now.

Right let's get a few things straight here. The following information is gathered from the Kal-CDs and things that have been said by GregF and other (real) sources. Here we go:

1. The Vahi.

The power of the Vahi is ONLY to SLOW DOWN time. To what extent we do not know and whether it affects the other Toa is still un-clarified. We also do not know how Tahu will use it to help the struggle. Where Tahu got his Vahi will be revealed in the next update on Bionicle.com.

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2. The Silver Krana Xa-Kal.

The Silver Xa-Kal will only come into existance IF the Bohrok-Kal succeed in freeing the Bahrag. In order for this to happen, they must place the Nuva symbols onto the Nuva Cube to unlock the Bahrags' prison. When the Bohrok-Kal bring their Krana Xa-Kal into actual physical contact with Cahdok and Gahdok. This will give the Bahrag complete control over the Bohrok Swarms once again. After this the Xa-Kal will become silver and create a force field around the Bohrok-Kal, making them invunerable to outside physical harm.

This may not happen but its what will happen IF the Bohrok-Kal succeed.

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3. The hot-wired Bohrok.

The Bohrok are sentinels. Machines. Beings that have no self control and act on what they are programmed to do. When the Bohrok awoke, they did not have Krana in them. These were put in when they reached the nests. When the Bohrok had their Krana, the Za's recieved orders from the Bahrag, and then shared them with the Krana Xa. The swarms where then set loose on Mata Nui in their mysterious mission to return the island to what it was like in the (again mysterious) 'Before Time'.

When the Toa defeated the Bahrag, the Krana's link to the Queens was broken, and they returned to just being mindless drones. The Matoran realised that they could make the Bohrok help them re-build the damage they had done, as the Bohrok are willing to carry out any task that is set before them.

While the Bohrok-Kal were in operation the swarms somehow where instinctively led back to the nests, awaiting the Bahrags' return and then to recieve more Krana and thus carry out their mission again.

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All this information is tied in from the numerous confirmed reports we've had along with some of my own bits that "fill in the small gaps" of the story.

Hope this helps.

QUOTE (Master of the Cube @ Mar 22 2003, 08:15 AM)

Right let's get a few things straight here. The following information is gathered from the Kal-CDs and things that have been said by GregF and other (real) sources. Here we go: 1. The Vahi. The power of the Vahi is ONLY to SLOW DOWN time. To what extent we do not know and whether it affects the other Toa is still un-clarified. We also do not know how Tahu will use it to help the struggle. Where Tahu got his Vahi will be revealed in the next update on Bionicle.com.

The Vahi can not only slow down time, it can speed it up as well. Vakama entrusted the Vahi to Tahu, who has not mentioned it because of its great power. The wearer of the Vahi would be a vessel for great and terrible power. Abuse of this power would mean the destruction of the entire timeline, and the death of the universe itself.

'Says who'?
Greg, that's who.

QUOTE (Master of the Rahkshi @ Mar 22 2003, 06:09 PM)

Vakama entrusted the Vahi to Tahu, who has not mentioned it because of its great power.

Where did you find this information? The update on Bionicle.com is not there yet. Nobody knows what happens. At the end of the last update the Toa were travelling together. That means that Tahu could get the Vahi while the other Toa are there.

It's not to late. I don't know how he'll do it, but tahu will succeed with the vahi somehow.

QUOTE (billgatesjr01 @ Mar 23 2003, 02:29 PM)

QUOTE (Master of the Rahkshi @ Mar 22 2003, 06:09 PM) Vakama entrusted the Vahi to Tahu, who has not mentioned it because of its great power. Where did you find this information? The update on Bionicle.com is not there yet. Nobody knows what happens. At the end of the last update the Toa were travelling together. That means that Tahu could get the Vahi while the other Toa are there.

He says he got the info from GregF.
The Vahi can slow down time. The Vahi can not let the wearer travel through time. Hope that clears things up.

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The Silver Xa-Kal will only come into existance IF the Bohrok-Kal succeed in freeing the Bahrag.

I agree with you on that one MOTC.


B~M

QUOTE (billgatesjr01 @ Mar 23 2003, 02:29 PM)

QUOTE (Master of the Rahkshi @ Mar 22 2003, 06:09 PM) Vakama entrusted the Vahi to Tahu, who has not mentioned it because of its great power. Where did you find this information? The update on Bionicle.com is not there yet. Nobody knows what happens. At the end of the last update the Toa were travelling together. That means that Tahu could get the Vahi while the other Toa are there.

can you not read, the master of the rahkshi said that gregf said that Tahu probaly got the vahi before he went to find the other toa.

My theory is the symbols are regained, thanks to the Vahi, and the Kal are desperate. They eject their Krana, but miss. The toa capture the krana, and take their symbols back to the suvas around the island. When the toa replace the symbols, they climb on top of the suva. The toa sinks into the ground, then reappears with the symbol absorbed into their bodys.

Okay, I am NOT going to spoil the story line with my own thoughts, but I need to say, the silver Krana Kal ARE coming into the story line. I mean, why else make the whole thing about them? Why not just make the collectables like the gold Hau?

The Vahi can speed up time around the user, and can also slow it down. (Not sure about the speed up part though)

The Nuva Cube dissolves after all the symbols are placed upon it. Greg himself said so. What would happen if that happened? Maybe the symbols would disolve! That would be disaterous if they lost their powers!

QUOTE (Bionicle~Master @ Mar 23 2003, 02:42 PM)

QUOTE The Silver Xa-Kal will only come into existance IF the Bohrok-Kal succeed in freeing the Bahrag. I agree with you on that one MOTC. B~M

No, the Krana turn silver before that. Read the back of comic 11. "When the opportunity to free the Bahrag is within their reach, the Krana-Kal transform to silver and weave a field of energy around the Bohrok-Kal." At the end of comic 11 the oppotunity was within their reach. They were standing in front of the cube with the symbols in their hands while the Toa Nuva stood there without their powers. Why wouldn't the Krana be silver by now?

QUOTE (Master of the Rahkshi @ Mar 22 2003, 06:09 PM)

QUOTE (Master of the Cube @ Mar 22 2003, 08:15 AM) Right let's get a few things straight here.  The following information is gathered from the Kal-CDs and things that have been said by GregF and other (real) sources.  Here we go: 1.  The Vahi. The power of the Vahi is ONLY to SLOW DOWN time.  To what extent we do not know and whether it affects the other Toa is still un-clarified.  We also do not know how Tahu will use it to help the struggle. Where Tahu got his Vahi will be revealed in the next update on Bionicle.com. The Vahi can not only slow down time, it can speed it up as well. Vakama entrusted the Vahi to Tahu, who has not mentioned it because of its great power. The wearer of the Vahi would be a vessel for great and terrible power. Abuse of this power would mean the destruction of the entire timeline, and the death of the universe itself. 'Says who'? Greg, that's who.

Can you get an exact of what GregF said? Also, did you read this somewhere, did GregF tell you specifically, or what? If you read it in an article, can you get a link to it?

QUOTE (bonesiii @ Mar 23 2003, 01:46 PM)

QUOTE (Master of the Rahkshi @ Mar 22 2003, 06:09 PM) QUOTE (Master of the Cube @ Mar 22 2003, 08:15 AM) Right let's get a few things straight here.  The following information is gathered from the Kal-CDs and things that have been said by GregF and other (real) sources.  Here we go: 1.  The Vahi. The power of the Vahi is ONLY to SLOW DOWN time.  To what extent we do not know and whether it affects the other Toa is still un-clarified.  We also do not know how Tahu will use it to help the struggle. Where Tahu got his Vahi will be revealed in the next update on Bionicle.com. The Vahi can not only slow down time, it can speed it up as well. Vakama entrusted the Vahi to Tahu, who has not mentioned it because of its great power. The wearer of the Vahi would be a vessel for great and terrible power. Abuse of this power would mean the destruction of the entire timeline, and the death of the universe itself. 'Says who'? Greg, that's who. Can you get an exact of what GregF said? Also, did you read this somewhere, did GregF tell you specifically, or what? If you read it in an article, can you get a link to it?

I PMed Greg about it a few days ago, and this is what he sent back:

Greg?
I have a question that several people would like to see the answer to.
Can the Vahi do more than slow time? Because that doesn't exactly sound all that devastating.
If that is its only power, then what makes it so dangerous?
Thank you.

-Master of the Rahkshi

It slows time, it can also speed it up. And yes, it is dangerous. For example, let's say you and I are fighting, and it's a stalemate. I use the Vahi to slow time down around you, so you can't move... I then position a huge rock above your head. Now it's not falling at its normal rate, because time is slowed down right around you. But the second I turn the Vahi power off, it will start falling at its normal rate and you won't have any time to react to it. Squash.

Greg

Okay, but what makes it dangerous to the wearer? Why could it mean the end of everything?
-Master of the Rahkshi

Well, let's see .. you try to hold back the flow of time or speed it up.. so you are messing with one of the fundamental forces of the universe.. and if you weaken or screw up or use too much power, you rip time to shreds and reality as we know it ceases to exist... how's that?

Greg

Oh, and I read about where Tahu got the Vahi in one of the many Greg interveiws. I can't remember where... but it's probably in the Official Greg Discussion thread, in General Discussion. It's pinned.

QUOTE (Aragorn the Great @ Mar 21 2003, 07:41 PM)

Err...Tahu found the Vahi and never found a use for it until now.I might report this.

Why would you report it? It's a neat idea, and I found nothing wrong with it, except that the Toa have two more bad guys to go, and to defeat those two, they'll have to defeat the Kal and Bahrag.

QUOTE (Roca, Toa of Dessert @ Mar 23 2003, 06:53 PM)

QUOTE (Aragorn the Great @ Mar 21 2003, 07:41 PM) Err...Tahu found the Vahi and never found a use for it until now.I might report this. Why would you report it? It's a neat idea, and I found nothing wrong with it, except that the Toa have two more bad guys to go, and to defeat those two, they'll have to defeat the Kal and Bahrag.

well, the starter was a bit choppy, so reporting wasn't a bad idea then.now it's a good topic.

next point-i know alot about space-time for my age, and GF is right.if u alter time, u alter space as well.i'm not exactly sure abuot what direction, but if u slow down time and it gets messed up (power strain), it cud cause space in front of u to to be blasted apart and space behind u to be scrunched up into nothing.

Master of the Rahkshi - post those answers in the GregF answer forum, they should go on public record

That last answer sounded like he didn't know, and it didn't matter to the story line, or maby he's trying to hide somethign...

QUOTE (HUKI365 @ Mar 24 2003, 12:45 AM)

Master of the Rahkshi - post those answers in the GregF answer forum, they should go on public record That last answer sounded like he didn't know, and it didn't matter to the story line, or maby he's trying to hide somethign...

Done.

As for your second comment, maybe he was tired of answering questions, or wanted to go to bed. Greg's human too, you know.