I think the Bahrag twins used the protodermis tubes to create the kal!
They chose 6 especially strong bohrok (one from each swarm), then dipped them in the protodermis tubes. Please post your feedback and theories.

Interesting theroy, it makes a lot of sense, because I'm pretty sure that the Bohrok Kal used to be Bohrok, so I like this theroy.

Good theory, except that GregF has said that the bohrok-Kal were mutated by other means.

Did he actually say they weren't mutated by protodermis?




~Matt~

QUOTE (Koli Kicker @ Mar 23 2003, 06:11 PM)

Interesting theroy, it makes a lot of sense, because I'm pretty sure that the Bohrok Kal used to be Bohrok, so I like this theroy.

It's theory, not theroy. And why would they just leave them there? Couldn't they have used the protodermis on more Bohrok, and if not, why didn't they get rid of it in case someone, like the Toa, might gain access to it and use?

Excellent theory, Death-Bringer! I was thinking the same thing, but you beat me to it!

SilverAkaku: Where did GregF say that?!

And, Roca, Toa of Dessert (Cool name by the way ), Maybe they couldn't actually get to the protodermis, but could draw on its power a little bit. I think I read somewhere that their power was increased when they moved closer to the center of their lair (over the protodermis). Don't remember if that was actually in the comic, though.

Anyways, they probably didn't get rid of it because they had planned what happened to the Toa to happen because of the protodermis (losing their powers when the symbol was stolen, that is) as a backup.

First they didn't know the Toa would come along. Second even if my theory isn't true they still didn't mutate any other bohrok.

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First they didn't know the Toa would come along. Second even if my theory isn't true they still didn't mutate any other bohrok.

Well, what I mean is maybe they were just preparing for worst case scenario. The Toa were the biggest threat to the Bahrag, so they'd be smart to have a backup.

Which, I suppose, means that they created the Kal recently. Wait- not neccessarily, there were, after all, legends about the Toa from the "Before Time" so they could still have made them a long time ago. Well, if it was recent, maybe they just didn't have time to make more.

Or maybe they didn't think they needed to make more; they were pretty arrogant during that fight.
Or maybe they thought it would be better for their enemies to first get to know how to defeat the Bohrok, then the Kal would be a surprise attack while the enemy was overconfident. Tahu did sound pretty cocky after he became a Nuva. If they had just made all of the Bohrok into Kal, there would be no surprise, and no strategic advantage (though, obviously, there would be an advantage of power)

Edit: HEY!! What if creating the Kal was so tiring for the Bahrag that were knocked into a coma, and and that's why the Bohrok and company were asleep (Here I'm assuming they made them by drawing power from the protodermis without being able to simply dip the Kal in it.)

QUOTE (Roca, Toa of Dessert @ Mar 23 2003, 04:45 PM)

QUOTE (Koli Kicker @ Mar 23 2003, 06:11 PM) Interesting theroy, it makes a lot of sense, because I'm pretty sure that the Bohrok Kal used to be Bohrok, so I like this theroy. It's theory, not theroy.

Well, thanks for telling me that, but you don't have to post about it, you can just PM me.

Like it said, I like the theory (You happy now, Roca?) But I thought that Mata Nui came and built those.

good theory, its probably true, because i never heard gragf say what the kal were mutated by.

Hm...that actually might be right! It all fits together. Maybe the island thought that the toa nuva were more bohrok kal, and it dipped them into the protodermis. Maybe the island knows what is going on...

Maybe it does Like when the toa combined their elemental powers it might have mistaken them for another group of strong bohrok ready to turn kal

no,no,no!
the bohrok-kal were special bohrok set aside only to be awakened in the unlikely event that the bahrag are destroyed
their mission is to revive the bahrag

alright i like the idea of the B-K being created by the proto tubes. and Roca they didn't use it on more than six because then the B-K could overthrow the Bahrag if they turned on them. LEVA they weren't set aside if the bahrag were DESTROYED. only if they fell or were defeated<WHICH DOESN'T MEAN THEY WERE DESTROYED> and in the comic POWERLESS it says the bohrok kals mission is to:FIND THE BAHRAG, FREE THE BAHRAG, UNLEASH THE SWARMS ONCE MORE.

sorry if the caps sounded angry i was just stressing the point.

Lewa__Nuva

The Kal have probably been around since the time the Bohrok were created. They are surrounded by Bohrok pods, after all.......

well, my theorie is that PD is the befeore time, hence it being near the barahg, but yeah, they cud have made the kal and used the tubes to drown the toa or get away, or they might've forgot about them until the toa cadged them.

deathbringer is right. it sais it in the 11th comic that they first were regular bohrok and then they were mutated to be the kal!

Probably becuase the Bahrag knew it was their weakest point, and decide to make their lair over them to protect them, or so they hoped

and toas why they only made six I believe Gregf explaineed it because theyw were afraid of them taking over...

In the first information of the Kal by Greg F. it says that the Bohrok Kal are not Bohrok Nuva. So they weren't transformed from protodermis, because Nuva means transformed by protodermis.

i think your onto something here.look at the pic of tahu's mask emerging.i can see bohrok shields behind him....

I think that is a good guess.

The bumps are not bohrok shields this ahs been porved some where...
They are just the other toa surfacing...

hello my fellow WMkrana holder, this type of topic has been done before,
personally, I don't think that the kal were created by any form of protodermis...other wise they would be called nuva...

GregF has told us that the Bohrok-Kal are NOT Bohrok that where exposed to protodermis. Otherwise (like Super Toa of Light said) they would be Bohrok Nuva, and they are not. They were mutated by some unknown energy that has yet to be revealed.

Oh and just incase some of the newer members are wondering where GregF said this, it was quite a long time ago, as theorising on the Kal started. So in other words, I cannot provide a link to the topic. sorry. But some of the older should remember this.

like the idea put dosent make sense

That's a good theory. I was thinking of that too!

The Bohrak kal are just backups in case the Bahrag were somehow defeated and I think the Bohrak Kal were the very first Bohrak made

Ok first of all Greg F. did say they weren't changed by protodermis, I'll dig up the article he said it.
If you read on comic 10 or 11 I'm pretty sure it tells us they were mutated and morphed by different processess.
An yes, the kal were created around the time of the kal.
And the bahrag didn't get more powerful beceause they were close to the proto tubes it was because their powers grow as they are closer.

QUOTE (Koli Kicker @ Mar 23 2003, 06:11 PM)

Interesting theroy, it makes a lot of sense, because I'm pretty sure that the Bohrok Kal used to be Bohrok, so I like this theroy.

I like it I really do but BZPower said alredy that they became the "Kal" by other means than the Protodermis, sorry dude

And the power of the silver????? This is the secret weapon of the bahrag... because who carry the silver krana is invencible... so.....

I think that if Toa legends were in the "Before Time" maybe some where lost *catch my drift* or forgotten and maybe the Bahrag knew that the tubes were there and decided 2 protect them so the Toa couldn't become the Toa Nuva.

QUOTE ( -Bringer @ Mar 23 2003, 06:06 PM)

I think the Bahrag twins used the protodermis tubes to create the kal! They chose 6 especially strong bohrok (one from each swarm), then dipped them in the protodermis tubes. Please post your feedback and theories.

Nope. Clarified by GregF that they were mutated, not transformed. They were "Mutanated" (quoted from an error on the Fellowship of the Ring of Sauromon) by the Bahrag to become advanced Bohrok, thusly becoming the Bohrok-Kal.

-(V)oD -

While I have not seen this other thread, it appears to me people assume that nuva means transformed by protodermis. In another tread it was said to mean new, i.e. new toa = toa nuva. And unless I find this other thread that says otherwise, I fully support protdermis.

Well,I think that the Kal were just 6 more bohrok who were made many times stronger.as it says(Greg said this,I think)"The Bohrok Kal were a group of six ELITE bohrok who were set aside to help complete the Bahrags' mission in case of a future disaster."They were not transformed or mutated;they were created like that.At least,thats my theory.Well,gotta go.

~Biohunter1

No they wer MUTATED! The protodermis does not mutate! It transforms.

I think you're 100% correct maybe that's also how the silver kran were formed...

QUOTE (Death-Bringer @ Mar 23 2003, 05:06 PM)

I think the Bahrag twins used the protodermis tubes to create the kal! They chose 6 especially strong bohrok (one from each swarm), then dipped them in the protodermis tubes. Please post your feedback and theories.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If they did that, then they would be Bohrok Nuva!!!!!!!!!!!

Gregf has already stated that the Kal are not Nuva!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Not to flame.

QUOTE (Roca, Toa of Dessert @ Mar 23 2003, 06:45 PM)

Couldn't they have used the protodermis on more Bohrok, and if not, why didn't they get rid of it in case someone, like the Toa, might gain access to it and use?

Like Greg said. If the protodermis were used on all the bohrok, they could easily over-take the bahrag. Even though proven wrong, Death bringer has a good theory.


~chris~

QUOTE (mega kopaka @ Mar 24 2003, 06:10 AM)

deathbringer is right. it sais it in the 11th comic that they first were regular bohrok and then they were mutated to be the kal!

Mutated. If it were protodermis, it would be Nuva. Toa Kal? What would create that? Getting high on sniffing lightstones?

Gregf said that the Kal have nothing to do with protodermis. Unakau, are you saying that the Kal are made from Bohrok that got high on lightstones?
Your theory makes sense, but then it doesn't. The part about the six elite Bohrok seem good, but Protodermis has absolutely nothing to do with it. I get the feeling they were mutated with either something radioactive that no one's discovered before, or Space pirates came by using dimensional jump tachnology and were working with the Bahrag to expose the six elite Bohrok to Phazon. I'm joking about he second one... or am I?

-Inuyasha

well, the bohrok-kal are very dangeropus, powerful, and dont need the bahrag. If all bohrok are like that then the bahragare no longer needed, so it was only a select few( i emphasiza few) bohrok mutated.

someone should contact Greg and get the answer
this is getting WAY out of hand

not really silverhunter. itas just a lively debate.

Maybe thats how, but their powers were changed completely. And on one of the comics, in the last scene, it shows The Bahrag with a lot of B. Va and some Towers or Tubes behind them. I'll need to PM GregF about this.

QUOTE (Inuyasha @ Mar 24 2003, 04:57 PM)

Gregf said that the Kal have nothing to do with protodermis. Unakau, are you saying that the Kal are made from Bohrok that got high on lightstones? Your theory makes sense, but then it doesn't. The part about the six elite Bohrok seem good, but Protodermis has absolutely nothing to do with it. I get the feeling they were mutated with either something radioactive that no one's discovered before, or Space pirates came by using dimensional jump tachnology and were working with the Bahrag to expose the six elite Bohrok to Phazon. I'm joking about he second one... or am I? -Inuyasha

Just a joke, don't worry. Kind of like highlighters. And I was using an example. If protodermis=Nuva, then _________=Kal?

QUOTE (Death-Bringer @ Mar 23 2003, 06:06 PM)

I think the Bahrag twins used the protodermis tubes to create the kal! They chose 6 especially strong bohrok (one from each swarm), then dipped them in the protodermis tubes. Please post your feedback and theories.

That makes alot of sense! It sounds like a reasonable theory.

It was not protodermis, go ask Greg yourself. If you need immediatly accesible proof, I'll get a quote from him.

That's exactly what I thought. Good theory.

I have a feeling that only TIME will tell.