The kratta are what made Infected masks so how come makuta didn't use the to Infect the toa's masks.P.S If you think It doesn't belong In this fourm It does because this is about the kratta.

i dont know but i think because he wanted the toa to think he was destroyed but then he would surprise them with the rahkshi. just a thought.

He did use them! that's how the masks got infected.

I think they mean like during the battle between the toa and Makuta he could have sent a swarm and maybe defeated the toa.

Yes that is what I mean The Pohatu.

its simple really he said they could never destroy him and if he showed them they would know of them and maybe find a way to beat them but if it let them think he beat him he would get stronger and te toa weaker since there would be no evil to fight and then he would attack at the least exspected time

Correct, he was too confident. He really didn't expect the Toa to get as far as him. He was totally unprepared. And even so, the Kraata aren't what you would call, fast. The toa could just jump around them. Stealth is more of the Kraata's style.

Moving to Theories...

"Makuta belived these Toa were weak pretenders, easily conqured he saw nothign to fear from them" Comic 2 (July, 2001) Online version, www.bionicle.com

I'm curious as to why he didn't use the rahkshi against the toa, especially after the innefeciency of the Rahi (refer to comic #3 as well as the Rahi being defeated by the matoran at the end of MNOLG)

Wouldn't it make more sense to completely annihilate the enemy before it can retaliate?

Good question.. but in the movie (and in the comic) Makuta refers to the Rahkshi as "those who should never see the light of day".. or something like that, it's not an exact quote.. so he does not see them as something to be unleashed lightly. It is something he does reluctantly, because he sees no other way to keep Mata Nui asleep.

Greg

QUOTE (GregF @ Apr 29 2003, 10:43 AM)

Good question.. but in the movie (and in the comic) Makuta refers to the Rahkshi as "those who should never see the light of day".. or something like that, it's not an exact quote.. so he does not see them as something to be unleashed lightly. It is something he does reluctantly, because he sees no other way to keep Mata Nui asleep. Greg

so does that mean that if he isnt careful with them they could prehaps turn on him? hay! thated make a great ending for the movie!

i think he thought he was so strong he could beat the toa with his weak form so he decided to let the rahkshi and kratta stay away but it must be his last resort now.

He wanted to nsave the most powerful for last.

Well, Lego probably hadn't thought of the Kraata at that point. Of course this spoils all fun, so we'll just pretend he forgot in the heat of battle or something.

It's probably one of those things where you know it's your most powerful attack, but you don't really want to use it. A last-resort thing.

Maybe makuta wanted to be destroyed then he let the bohrok out then came the rahkshi.

He never expected them to get by even the manas, and they almost didn't either. He was too smug in himself and though he was all-powerful

Perhaps, just perhaps, Makuta was gauging his enimies the first time, and adapting himself to use the leas t amount of force possible to remove them, or to prehaps ramp- up wis force (which, from a marketing point of view, is good, because it makes new kits for costomers like us). In eather case, I believe he only unveiled the kratta after he had gauged the strength of the toa.

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Hmm mabe but there is still one thing I don't get . Lego had to know if Bzp does.So How come there wasn't a movie with them infecting the rahi?

Well, Makuta won't ever think that Toa can past even Manas and Shadow Toa, and then weaken him. I think he wants to use the Bohrok to do enogh destruction before he release the Raskshi, which probarly he can't sure they can fight Toa yet.

QUOTE (Thepohatu @ Apr 28 2003, 08:45 PM)

I think they mean like during the battle between the toa and Makuta he could have sent a swarm and maybe defeated the toa.

No he couldn't have, because there are only Six Kratta, not a swarm.

Makuta did not use the kraata at first, because he did not need to. It is true, the kraata cause infections in masks, yet it is also true, and said that the kraata are part of Makuta's essence, and indeed it is said on the Bionicle website that infected masks have been touched by Makuta

Question: Would you use a tank to arrest a criminal, no you would use the police.
It's just the same witht the Toa, it would be a bit over the top for Makuta to use his BEST weapon against a new opposer.

QUOTE (Safer Kopaka @ Apr 29 2003, 12:25 PM)

QUOTE (GregF @ Apr 29 2003, 10:43 AM) Good question.. but in the movie (and in the comic) Makuta refers to the Rahkshi as "those who should never see the light of day".. or something like that, it's not an exact quote.. so he does not see them as something to be unleashed lightly. It is something he does reluctantly, because he sees no other way to keep Mata Nui asleep. Greg so does that mean that if he isnt careful with them they could prehaps turn on him? hay! thated make a great ending for the movie!

The Rahkshi definitely look like vicious predators that don't want to be commanded by anyone. They could be like uncontrolable children. Makuta is probably scared that they might get out of control and turn on him.

QUOTE (GregF @ Apr 29 2003, 10:43 AM)

Makuta refers to the Rahkshi as "those who should never see the light of day".. or something like that, it's not an exact quote.. so he does not see them as something to be unleashed lightly. It is something he does reluctantly, because he sees no other way to keep Mata Nui asleep. Greg

Just what I think Greg.Either that, or he was saving them for a last resort if the Toa defeated him.Or there was abit of good in him, and he wanted to save them for when the Toa are stronger,namely thier Toa- nuva stage.

QUOTE (GregF @ Apr 29 2003, 10:43 AM)

Good question.. but in the movie (and in the comic) Makuta refers to the Rahkshi as "those who should never see the light of day".. or something like that, it's not an exact quote.. so he does not see them as something to be unleashed lightly. It is something he does reluctantly, because he sees no other way to keep Mata Nui asleep. Greg

If he didn't want them to see the light of day, why would he make them? Were they an expiriment with protodermis?

Makuta probably had such a big ego, that he thought he didn't need to use the Kraata. By the time the tables turned on him, he didn't have enough time to use them. And besides, the Kraata alone don't have power to defeat the toa. It's the Rahkshi armor that gives them strength. And the toa hadn't unlocked the protodermis pools for him to trans form them yet.

Makuta was too cocky. He thought the Toa would easily be defeated by the Rahi. He saw using the Kraata as a waste of time.

QUOTE (Imperial Gahlok-Kal @ Apr 30 2003, 08:00 PM)

QUOTE (GregF @ Apr 29 2003, 10:43 AM) Good question.. but in the movie (and in the comic) Makuta refers to the Rahkshi as "those who should never see the light of day".. or something like that, it's not an exact quote.. so he does not see them as something to be unleashed lightly. It is something he does reluctantly, because he sees no other way to keep Mata Nui asleep. Greg If he didn't want them to see the light of day, why would he make them? Were they an expiriment with protodermis?

Makuta probably made them thinking they would make a great weapon against the toa but found that they were too vicious and wicked to be controlled. So he locked them away, saving them for a last resort.
He probably made the Rahkshi while the toa dealt with the bohrok and when the Mask of Light is found, he realizes that the time has come to unleash his dangerous creations and stop Takua and Jaller from finding the Toa of Light.

QUOTE (Ang @ Apr 29 2003, 09:28 PM)

Well, Makuta won't ever think that Toa can past even Manas and Shadow Toa, and then weaken him. I think he wants to use the Bohrok to do enogh destruction before he release the Raskshi, which probarly he can't sure they can fight Toa yet.

The shadow Toa aren't real, it's only a fan fic.


Plus, the reason he might have made the Rahkshi is to weaken the Toa, so he, Makuta the Mighty, could finish them off.

Yes, the shadow Toa are real -- they were designed to be a part of the story in 2001, but due to the PC game being cancelled, never appeared. Their story is slated to be told in the first BIONICLE novel coming out this summer.

Greg F.

how do the sahdow toa look like?

Firat off, Makuta was to confident. He saw the Toa as weak beings that he could easily defeat without help. Learned his lesson. And yes, what are the shadow Toa and what do they look like??

Well I think that Makuta thought the rahi were strong enough to defeat the toa. He just underestimated the power of the toa

here are the reasons why makuta didn't send out the kraata:

1) The Toa'd step on them, or use their elements (kopaka'd freeze, onua'd would bury, etc.)
2) The energy to create the kraata would be overwhelming. (Ever see a woman go through the birthing process?)
3) What good would it do? the proto was scarce during those times. Kratta - Proto = No Rahkshi

Ok but why don't we get to see a movie of them ?

QUOTE (krana master @ May 3 2003, 04:38 PM)

Ok but why don't we get to see a movie of them ?

Of what? the kraata being made, the kraata moving, or the kraata infecting masks?

QUOTE (TakaNuva Vahi Master @ Apr 30 2003, 05:09 PM)

...the Kraata alone don't have power to defeat the toa. It's the Rahkshi armor that gives them strength. And the toa hadn't unlocked the protodermis pools for him to transform them yet.

Well, Makuta didn't use the Rahkshi because of following reasons:

1. See Quote
2. He needed the Kraata as an escape from being totally destroyed (since the Kraata are part of Makuta). He HAD to wait to regain power as well as an idea for a second attempt to regain control over Mata Nui. Once the Toa revealed the protodermis, BOOM, Makuta could use it to transform his Kraata into Rahkshi and try to defeat the Toa Again!

Hope this clears things up!

He was toying with the Toa then... seeing if they really were all that. He probably could use Kraata if he had them, but they were so sllllooooooow. And I don't know, but I think gold masks are too powerful to be infected.

Alright but protodermis was not scarce back then egg's-proto=no bohrok they were being made while the toa fought makuta.

actually, in the MNOLG, in onu-koro, some of the conversations are about the onu-koroans struggling to dig deeper and get protodermis, meaning that protodermis was already known about, before makuta was fought, and trust me, i just went through the entire MNOLG today