Around May of 2002 McDonalds was selling Bionicle trading cards with their happy meals. Each happy meal also came with one of 3 mini booklets, telling of the bohrok and stuff. At the end of the last one, it shows Nokama telling some Matoran what the prophesies said about the toa confronting the Bahrag. This was happening while the Toa Nuva were underground in the bohrok nest.
She said that the Toa would combine their power, and trap the bahrag, and then the Toa would change. We know now that that was when they went Nuva. Nokama said that after the prophesies say that, they're silent, and they say nothing more. So therefore, wouldn't the Turaga not know about the Kal, or Makuta's return?

Interesting point. And you may be right, Vakama seemed extremely taken aback by the appearance of Tahnok-Kal in the "Theft of Fire" update. But I seem to recall there being prophecies about Takanuva. He is, after all, the "legendary Seventh Toa." But then again, legends and prophecies aren't the same thing.

edit: Okay, so I got the post numbered 1. What is the big deal, anyway? The only positive thing about it is that I kept someone else from being annoying. And at least I had something to say that was on topic.

I don't think they knew of the kal or Makuta's return. They had to find out of the Kal's mission from a Krana Kal, and in Comic 13 Makuta stated that they thought he was gone for years. That's what I think.

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Nokama was talking about the rahkshi, because the rahkshi dont actually talk or communicate. they dont make a sound, unless they attack or use their staff. so that was the silent and say nothing more.

maybe that was just for the bohrok saga. Like it just cut off where nokama said.

But there could still be many other prophesies.

Also take note that the kraata have been captured by turaga for eons. This is refering to first hand information rather than walls or a constelation

of course the toa know things but they didnt know about the kal, they thought after the barahg were imprisoned Makuta and the rahkshi would attack

QUOTE (Omna: Toa of Secrets @ Jul 5 2003, 10:44 PM)

Nokama was talking about the rahkshi, because the rahkshi dont actually talk or communicate. they dont make a sound, unless they attack or use their staff. so that was the silent and say nothing more.

Not entirely true.Nokama couldnt have been talking about the rahkshi because they are not silent they hiss.

What I don't understand is, why don't the Turaga tell the Toa about their "prophecies"?? THey only tell the Matoran, and then when something happens, like the Bohrok attack; The Toa are surprised but the Turaga already knew about it but couldn't believe it was happening. I think the Turaga should study up some more so they will be able to tell when something bad is going to happen.

Sorry for Rambling, but I'm just annoyed how the Tuaga never use their Knowledge to aid the Toa!

They prbably do know something about the Rahkshi and Makuta, but just don't know it (as always)

QUOTE (Red-Alert2 @ Jul 6 2003, 04:34 PM)

What I don't understand is, why don't the Turaga tell the Toa about their "prophecies"?? THey only tell the Matoran, and then when something happens, like the Bohrok attack; The Toa are surprised but the Turaga already knew about it but couldn't believe it was happening. I think the Turaga should study up some more so they will be able to tell when something bad is going to happen. Sorry for Rambling, but I'm just annoyed how the Tuaga never use their Knowledge to aid the Toa! They prbably do know something about the Rahkshi and Makuta, but just don't know it (as always)

Well, actually, they do use some of thier knowledge to help the Toa. Think about the locations of the Kanohi masks, and the way to defeat the Bohrok. Anyway, I think that the Prophecies say little o no more about the Bohrok and Bahrag, which to most people is a good thing.

There are three ways Turagas can know about something they can not see.

1. Toa (Nuva) comes to them and then tells them what happened.

2. Prophcies! Legends! What do they have in common! They both tell events that has or will happen(ed).

3. As Vakama looked into the Flames in the, Theft of Fire, he said it was the Bohrok-Kal. It is possible that the God of fire told Vakama what took his sons (Tahu Nuva) symbol and elemantl powers.

The turaga get their proffosies from the stars, and the stars constantly change (remember red star in MNOLG 1). It could be that they looked at the stars and saw makuta's return, but chose to deny it, because it was so terrible. And as for the Kal... Well, the Turaga were so sure that the defeat of the bahrag would end the threat of the swarms (and they were partially right) that they didn't bother to check again. That's my theory

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edit: Okay, so I got the post numbered 1.

What do you mean "post numbered 1"? I don't get what you're saying.

What Nokama meant by the prophesies being silent was that there were no more prophesies. As in, they said nothjing more after mentioning that the Toa would change.

simply put the prophesys change... They were silent after what would happen after the origonal saga untill the bohrok were released then they changed...

I think the prophicies were only told up to the bohrok because on mnolg1 look on the telescope thing.the bohrok are there(or were there)and in the snowy field the rock says beware the swarm so the matorans mustva known about this for a long time!

i just think the kal were legends and the turaga did not want to reveal more bad things to the villagers who are already scared out of there wits and cant sleep at night because there afraid of being kranaed

I agree with BT. Remember, the Bohrok have always been on the island, sleeping. Those signs look pretty old and worn and probably put up many years ago so the Matoran, Toa, Turaga, must all have simply forgotten.

The turaga probably saw the prophecy of makutas return, but did not want to believe it. The bohrok-kal are bohrok, just an elite form. The first thing I heard about bohrok kal was " they are an elite squad of bohrok...." so they knew the kal as bohrok elites.

maybe they did not expect to make more sets after that, so thought of a good ending, but then decied to make more

You would be right if all the Turaga knew came from vague prophecies .. but as you will find out next year, they have a much richer past and a lot more first-hand knowledge than they let on. Some of what they cloak in prophecy is done so in the interests of protecting their secrets, which you will begin learning next year...

Greg

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QUOTE (Red-Alert2 @ Jul 6 2003, 04:34 PM)

What I don't understand is, why don't the Turaga tell the Toa about their "prophecies"?? THey only tell the Matoran, and then when something happens, like the Bohrok attack; The Toa are surprised but the Turaga already knew about it but couldn't believe it was happening. I think the Turaga should study up some more so they will be able to tell when something bad is going to happen. Sorry for Rambling, but I'm just annoyed how the Tuaga never use their Knowledge to aid the Toa! They prbably do know something about the Rahkshi and Makuta, but just don't know it (as always)

In comic 13 the tia get mad at the turaga for not telling them prophesies. But I think the turaga didn't know about the kal and rahkshi at THAT time, but whos not to say, maybe the next day they find out a new prophecie?

just like vakama and the the mask of time... they hide things in the best intrest of the people... err...Matoran...

Oh... well, Greg kind of made everything else moot.... I guess that's the downside to him posting... but thanks anyhow.

Good point, but i think that there might be a reason he knows about the borhok kal.