Yes, I am back with one of my craaaazy theories. This one is even a bit crazy for me, but hey.

I was thinking about it the other night, the Red Star, the constellations, pizza... and then it hit me that the sky is more important to Matoran than we first thought.

So far we have seen 2 telescopes on Mata-Nui, a public one in Ta-Wahi and the Ga-Koran astronomers. It’s not much, but who is to say that in future MNOLGII updates that we will not see more? Anyways, remember back when the MNOLG was supposed to be updated monthly when the red star created a new formation? Well, it would seem that while many secrets lie below ground, the answers are in the stars…

Think back to day one where this all started. The toa landed on Mata-Nui in their canisters. Where did they fall from? The sky! My first thoughts were to ask Greg Farshtey about all this. These were my answers.

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1 -X-: What was the point from which the Toa fell in their canisters? Greg: Can't answer it. 2 -X-: In the first online game a large focus was on a red "star" in the sky. That star has never been seen again since the end of that online game. Will the red star have any part in telling the future of Bionicle? Greg: Yes, I believe so. 3 -X-: Out of curiosity, is there anything to be found in space that would answer many of our questions? Greg: No idea.

Let’s start at the top and go down. Obviously the point from which the Toa Olda originated has some sort of part in the future of the Bionicle series. We know they originated from some area in the sky, but lets think about Mata-Nui much like how we think about Earth. To us the sky and stars also hold many secrets, but we know from exploration that there is no “other side” (In Bionicle’s case, paradise) in the sky. Let’s say that Mata-Nui is the same, and by the looks of it, it most likely is.

Now, lets go to my second question. Apparently the red star is going to return in the future. Maybe it never left, who knows, but this will most likely mean more constellations to seek out and view. I do believe somebody on BZP said that the Red Star is one of two things, a star or a meteorite. This member debated over wether the thing in the sky was a star (it cannot be a star, for it moves on its own and does not move with the other stars to make the same constellation forever) or a meteorite (more possible, since this would explain why the “star” has a tail, but it cannot explain why the meteorite has not fallen down to the island yet). I think I have the answer, first, lets go onto my third and final question…

Space. Yep, space. Besides constellations what good would space do for us? And is Greg giving us another “I can’t tell you yet” answer or does he truly not know if the area above Mata-Nui can offer any answers to our questions? I believe he knows, but just won’t tell us. And this is where these 3 questions come into action. The Toa fell from the sky, this means that they were either blasted from another island to Mata-Nui (their descent in my opinion is waaaaay to vertical to mean that they originated from another island) OR they were thrown/blasted off some sort of object higher in the sky. The Red star is still there, and in my opinion, never left Mata-Nuian skies. But how do the Turaga know that the red star is important to the prophecies? I think I have the answer, and as far fetched as it may sound, I think it is highly possible.

There is, to me, only one possible answer. The Toa, Turaga, Matoran, Evils and creatures of Mata-Nui alike all descended from some sort of space craft. This craft is our red star, and if you play a space-RPG called freelancer, the “tail” is the engines exhaust giving off a bright glow and the look of a “tail”. So some sort of greater being created everything On Mata-Nui (I’ll get to Mata-Nui and Makuta in a sec) and sent them down, maybe as some sort of experiment, maybe for some other reason. Everything from Matoran to Turaga, Rahi and the islands creatures. This would explain why everything is part robotic. Then Mata-Nui (either another addition to the experiment, or one of the beings managing the experiment) descends to the island, Makuta (again, another addition or managing being) follows. The beings decide to make the islanders work for the truth and puts them through all these hard times. The Turaga, all the time, knowing what these beings have planned. Why don’t they tell the Matoran? Here’s Gregs answer:

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-X-: Finally, are the Turaga trying to hide something from the Matoran? And if so, why? Greg: For the same reason that parents try to spare their children from upsetting or shocking news...

I think I’d be a bit shocked and upset if my parents told me I was a bio-mechanical organism placed on this planet as a mere experiment too…

Farfetched, I know, possible? That’s up to you.

Questions/Comments?

-X-

Oh boy, Well if add everything up it is possible. However I think the red star isn't a spaceship. You say it isn't a meteorite because it hasn't hit Mata-Nui. Why should it the island is a very strange place. The rules here on earth do not apply on Mata-Nui. I can agree with that they came from another planet but I really don't think they are from a spaceship.

Oh,brother this is crazy.

It just does not make sense that the toa came from a spaceship.

The Matoran came from another island, not a spaceship...

QUOTE (Lord Lupus @ Jul 11 2003, 01:03 AM)

The Matoran came from another island, not a spaceship...

And where was that said?

That is a far-out theoire. It seems possible. I know they came from another island thing was said somewhere but I forgot where.

Dude, that's almost EXACTLY like my own theory. Mine is only just a little bit crazier. I'm planning to put it up as an Epic.

That theory is just crazy enough for me to like!

I've always had the feeling space had something to do with the toa.

Has anyone ever played Starcraft? There are two races, the zerg and the protoss. Another race, the Xel'Naga created the protoss first intending to give them purity of form, but their lack of essence made them imperfect. Next, they created the zerg. Intending now for purity of essence. The zerg worked too well, and killed the xel'naga.
What I'm thinking is maybe someone up there made both the matoran and all the evil guys on the island to see which one is better or something.

QUOTE (-X- @ Jul 10 2003, 05:27 PM)

QUOTE (Lord Lupus @ Jul 11 2003, 01:03 AM) The Matoran came from another island, not a spaceship... And where was that said?

Somewhere, I don't know where.
But they did - GregF himself said so.

*Forces self to abstain from childish "I told you so" rhetorts...*

I always enjoy -X-'s theories because everything is taken into account. If we can't get proof that the matoran came from another island, this is a possible account of what could've happened. We all know that the Turaga have been hiding something but something to this extent? You would think it would drive them mad before long. But now I seem to be floating away on emotional visions, Oh well

Good one -X-. Imagine the uproar if this was actually true.

QUOTE (Lord Lupus @ Jul 10 2003 @ 06:32 PM)

GregF himself said so.

If Greg said that, it's not in the GregF Database. Maybe it's in the Official GregF Discussion topic, but that's a little harder to search through. I personally think that Paradise does exist in the Bionicle universe, and that the Red Star is a comet. It certainly looks like one.

Actually, think GregF said the Matoran were brought to the island by the spirit Mata Nui, and that he said he couldn't tell if it was from another island or even if there were other islands.

If the Red Star was a meteorite then why hasn't it burned up by now? I beleive Greg said the matoran have been on Mata Nui for easily thousands of years so you wouldn't think a comet/meteorite.

I don't think the Toa came from another planet etc, as they needed a lot of explanations and advice from the Turaga and had a lot to learn. In the MNOLG Vakama said Tahu's journey had left him confused. Plus, the Kanohi they were destined to collect were on Mata Nui and the Toa had Kanohi themselves. Plus they look biomechanicalish like every thing else on the island. I don't think too different planets would have such similar interlocking life forms.

I highly doubt this whole Mata Nui thing is an experiment. And that the Red Star is a space ship. It would run out of fuel, unless there is some renewable fuel thing in the Bionicle world. And Greg has said Mata Nui does not run like earth physics. Electricity wasa reflected of a glass rock, Lehvak Kal could create vacuums without just thinning the air and Nuhvok Kal made a harmless black hole.

So even though its a good theory, experience has led me to believe 999 out of 1000 good theorys will not be put into use as there are countless good posibilities. And the experiment thing is just, er, I really don't think it's true.

Well, -X-... good theory for someone who's been feedin animals

anyway, flaws in theory:

1) find none.

2) find none.

3) here we go... as you said, it was too vert. to be another island... could it have come from the Red Star?

My proof it came from the Red Star:

When we see in the MNOLG, the telescope AND THE LEGEND. Now, the video had a simple viewing of Mata Nui's representation falling to the island and the Matoran formed Koros. But Makuta follows as well, and if I am correct, from the sky too. Now, picture when the 6 Toa came down to the island too... the sun that the stones came from LIT UP, meaning it fired 6 objects. Could the Red Star -be- a ship?

Your thoughts are accepted

i think the toa were launched from a higher plane of existance (such as heaven/paradise) that mortal beings cannot reach. it was said that the great beings created the toa wasnt it?

QUOTE (~Toa of Shadow~ @ Jul 10 2003, 08:11 PM)

i think the toa were launched from a higher plane of existance (such as heaven/paradise) that mortal beings cannot reach. it was said that the great beings created the toa wasnt it?

I agree, I think they were sent down from the Great Spirits when Takua collected the Toa stones.

Your theory is very possible, Xavier. It's also possible that the Toa canisters were simply in orbit around the Bionicle Planet.

And about the nature of the Red Star, it's clear that it is not a normal space phenomena like a star, comet, or meteor, because it can move, apparently on its own, when the future changes, or a major event nears.

And I don't see why anyone thought it "left;" that was never stated in the storyline. It just hasn't needed to be shown for a while.

tribes use constellations and the sky to interpret their legends and tell the stories. thats why the matoran do that.

Hmmm.... I've read this topic thoroughly, and have accounted it all to create my side of this. Thus, the theory I have devised could even be more far-fetched than the toa canisters falling from an orbiting McDonalds! (Yeah... riiight... lol)

Anyway, I think that the Red Star might be the portal to "Paradise", and that the Toa, Makuta, Mata-Nui (not the island, of course), etc., came through it, to land on the island.
But, now I think I'm about to start my own theory... *gulp*, 'ere it goes! (hope it's not off topic)

Let's go back to your first question that you asked to GregF, -X-. He answered that he "couldn't answer it". Now, this is going to get hard to follow...
Okay, let's say that the toa did come from the Red Star. Why couldn't this be told to the public? Maybe...

The toa go back to the Red Star to Paradise.

Is that possible? I have no clue.

Well, that's my 5 cents into the topic! But... I think I'll keep a watch over it to see what else will happen, and to follow the discussion. *Clicks the "Track this topic" button*

QUOTE (The Kanohi/Krana Kollector @ Jul 11 2003, 01:06 PM)

Anyway, I think that the Red Star might be the portal to "Paradise",

But before Makuta came the island was Paradise. I think the red star is where Mata Nui is resting (hypnotized, frozen, whatever). I've always thought that MataNui was just another island on the Lego Planet.

Let me explain that. If you've ever played Lego Island II, you seen the start video where you see a planet with various islands on it. You don't see matanui, but you see different themed islands like castle, adventure and town. I beleive MataNui is on the other side of that planet. It would make sense for lego to do that, although it seems bogus to us.

Hmm, ponder that.

Thats crazy even for you X!Could the red star be another planet?




Lakua

It is a very good Theory, but as you said shocking nes is hard to take so I'll sublety(sp?) cough it. ahem *Cough Lego wouldnt go into such great detail cough it is just toys to make money cough* Why is everyone staring at me

Well I remember I think reading the prophcey thing or something that the Toa would fall from the heavens that is the original prophecy So the planet things would not make sense. Has anyone played Zelda before because if you think about it is alike see Mata-Nui came down and made the island and let the vilagers live there then they named it after them but Makuta had followed him but from where if your thery is correct x then it would mean the red star is the heavens mabe it is right.

That is actuallt posible -X-.I have this tendesy to always belive theories with "proof" (then i read this article in an old magazine saying aliens whould atack i belive it was fall 1993 phooey.And the article about The Proto-toa nuve bee evil toa.Since then i'm a little more suspicos) so i have reason yo not belive you.Even though i LOVE both aliens and and weird theries.But i managed to create my own vive of this.Think about it like this.Long long away a star collapes into a black hole.It's HUGE following gas planet inhabited by mechanical/spritual creatures is begining to becom striped of all it's gas (thus the tail.This can be seen in twin sun's when one collapses into a black hole) in a deaperate atmpt to save at least a fraction of it's people they send one (or more) "arks" into random locations in space.One hit's Mata-nui and the hit is so powerful all the inhabitant's gets amenezia.Exept for the leader Mata-nui and his power hungry second mate Makuta.(Or rewersed if following -X-'s other theorie) Mata-nui get's the trust of his crew one's more.Only this time they are convinced he is a god.Makuta who wishes the same make some minor re-builds on the ship and absorbs all it's enormous power (think transformers underbase-starscream only this doesnt kill Makuta) he goes and knocks Mata-nui into statis and tries to make the others worsship HIM instead.They refuse.Makuta uses his new powers to enslave the Rahi onboard and launches em onto the Matoran.HQ follows this develepment and builds "six mighty guardians" amd send them towards mata-nui,But this time it takes much longer and is harder because they used most of there resourses on the desperate atmetp and dident got the time to program the guardians proper.Thus they got fooled by the inhabitant's amenisia.While the guardians where on there way HQ actually build's a device to move the planet so they can help the inhabitants since they have lost all other "arks".

Ok i know this doesnt coap with everything but i had fun developing this tery .

QUOTE (-X- @ Jul 10 2003, 12:27 PM)

QUOTE (Lord Lupus @ Jul 11 2003, 01:03 AM) The Matoran came from another island, not a spaceship... And where was that said?

I can't remember, but I think it was in a regular ropic, not the GregF discussion. I remember he said something like the Matoran came to the island with the Turaga. I also thought boats were mentioned. However, although we know they came to Mata Nui from another island, that doesn't mean they can't have been sent down from the red star to the first island, then they came to Mata Nui. Great theory -X-, and BTW, I don't think it's too crazy.

~PX~

QUOTE (Gasaraki @ Jul 11 2003, 07:43 AM)

QUOTE (The Kanohi/Krana Kollector @ Jul 11 2003, 01:06 PM) Anyway, I think that the Red Star might be the portal to "Paradise", But before Makuta came the island was Paradise. I think the red star is where Mata Nui is resting (hypnotized, frozen, whatever). I've always thought that MataNui was just another island on the Lego Planet. Let me explain that. If you've ever played Lego Island II, you seen the start video where you see a planet with various islands on it. You don't see matanui, but you see different themed islands like castle, adventure and town. I beleive MataNui is on the other side of that planet. It would make sense for lego to do that, although it seems bogus to us. Hmm, ponder that.

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At the dawn of time the great spirit Mata Nui was sent down from paradise to care for all living things. He brought joy and light to the islanders now known as the Matoran. The Matoran thanked him by naming their island in his honor. The world was a joyful place, until Makuta, Mata Nui’s spirit brother, secretly followed him from paradise. Makuta envied how the Matoran worshiped his brother’s goodness, so after a mighty struggle he cast a spell, which made Mata Nui sink into an endless sleep. But still the Matoran would not worship Makuta. So Makuta brought dark places to the land where the Matoran dare not go for all the wicked beasts, which Makuta did truly rule. While Mata Nui slept, the Matoran’s powers and skills were weakened by Makuta’s dark powers. But the Matoran kept faith in Mata Nui, and the Legends of The Bionicle, which told them six mighty heroes called Toa would liberate them from Makuta and his beasts.

This should explain that Mata-Nui is on its own world, especially the words in bold.

Also, I think that Mata-Nui is asleep underground.

But, who knows? Until the future of Bionicle unravels, we can make no sure decision. I mean, the creators of Bionicle probably don't even know!

All I know is that it sounds suspiciously like the wizard of Oz plot. A guy gets shot to a planet (OZ) and is accepted as their learder (WIZARD) and is pointed out by a innocent scource which makes him go away in shame (DOROTHY/MAKUTA). Sorry if I intruded on your theory -X-.

I think i'll just stick to the fact that the matoran are here now and it doesn't make a difference where they came from. I like that. It doesn't include the fact that they could be biomechanical creatures lie the bohrok.

Edit: In other words, lets just forget it. We really shouldn't care.

I dunno... It seems to me like this theory derived from The Matrix...


- Tahu Nuva -

Maybe the turaga can read the future from the sars kinda like the centaurs do in Harry Potter. Really good theory though -X-

I think that the red thing is paradise where makuta mata-nui and the toa came from and I think the finale battle with makuta will take place there[ off topic: how did makuta go from being an infected mask to a big monster?]

the toa did not come from the sky they came from the heavens

QUOTE (Polo X @ Jul 11 2003, 03:21 PM)

QUOTE (-X- @ Jul 10 2003, 12:27 PM) QUOTE (Lord Lupus @ Jul 11 2003, 01:03 AM) The Matoran came from another island, not a spaceship... And where was that said? I can't remember, but I think it was in a regular ropic, not the GregF discussion. I remember he said something like the Matoran came to the island with the Turaga. I also thought boats were mentioned. However, although we know they came to Mata Nui from another island, that doesn't mean they can't have been sent down from the red star to the first island, then they came to Mata Nui. Great theory -X-, and BTW, I don't think it's too crazy. ~PX~

In the GregF Database Greq said that we would learn where the Matoran and Turaga came from in 2004. It he said that he would give anything away from the '04 storyline, so I don't think he said that, nor do I really think that's true.

Plus, it's just a theory. A crazy theory, but also a good theory.

To stevers80, True, but where excactly ARE the heavens?

This is crazy... Never heard anythings like that before...

Anyways... it's posible correct.

Hope 2004 can come more quicker.

I think mata-nui knew his brother(makuta)would put him to sleep and then makuta would try to take over the island so then mata-nui had to send the toa down to the island (from the red star) and have them to protect it and if the toa defeat makuta(in the movie) they will awake mata-nui and the island will be peaceful again for sometime...Plus in the cds introduced inside the first toa it shows mata-nui and makuta falling from the sky (red star)