All right, we know that the Toa had been submerged in Protodermis for less than a minute(according to Greg). Greg also told us the Rahkshi had been in Protodermis for probably months. Now, the Toa Nuva are still sentient, but the kraata which were the Rahkshi are not. Maybe the Exo-Toa were once beings who were submerged in protodermis for long enough that they lost most control over mind and body, yet not so long that they were not sentient! That's my two widgets, post your thoughts.

Mark

HUH? Sorry but i dont get it could you explain simpler Please?

i think what he means is the toa can act on their own
but the rakshi cant without the kraata, and the exo suits are sorta like both in those ways

Welcome to BZP, bionicle hunter. Wow. This is awesome. What Prof. X is saying is that if a Kraata were dipped in proto for a very short while, then it becomes slightly stonger, harder, more intelligent, etc., like the Toa Nuva. But when the Kraata are in there for a long time, they become exos for themselves! Maybe 6 ancient Toa/Matoran/Turaga got trapped in proto and lost most of their intelligence, but got a lot stronger, and became the Exo Toa, just like the Kraata become Exo Kraata (Rahkshi)! One of the best theories I've seen, this explains a lot about the underground.

QUOTE (Professor X @ Jul 16 2003, 08:53 PM)

All right, we know that the Toa had been submerged in Protodermis for less than a minute(according to Greg). Greg also told us the Rahkshi had been in Protodermis for probably months. Now, the Toa Nuva are still sentient, but the kraata which were the Rahkshi are not. Maybe the Exo-Toa were once beings who were submerged in protodermis for long enough that they lost most control over mind and body, yet not so long that they were not sentient! That's my two widgets, post your thoughts. Mark

Both the Rahkshi and the Exo Toa are sentient. The Rahkshi are intellegent and deadly, but need a Kraata to power them. The Exo Toa don't even need another being to govern their actions, and they fought against the Bohrok Kal on their own free will.

~PX~

Good job, Zokara! You figured out what I meant! Polo X, the Rahkshi are not sentient, the kraata that power the Rahkshi are. Take that kraata away, and you have a suit of armor that is not sentient, not mobile, et cetera. Just an empty suit. And while the Exo-Toa can move and think on their own, they work better under another's control. Without the Toa, they are just guards, set to one purpose: guarding the Bahrag, just like the Bohrok had one purpose: to "restore" Mata Nui!

Why would they guard the Bahrag, if they fought the Kal, who tried to awken the Bahrag? Do you mean like prison guards? Anyway, to Polo X, Prof. X means that the Exos have a little basic intelligence because they were not in the Proto quite as long as the Rahkshi were. Acording to his theory, the longer you stay in, the more powerful you get, and the more sentient intelligence you lose.

Thank you, again, Zokara! You really seem to understand what I'm saying!

The same thing may have happened to the Bohrok.The krana could`ve gotten into the protodermis and become Bohrok.Then the Krana would power it!

You`re a genius!

Well, I tend to think that the Bohrok are something different entirely, like a "Mata Nui Landscaping Crew" of sorts. Their past is shrouded in mystery, so we don't know how they were created. Maybe the Krana are modified Kraata to serve the Bohrok.
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Great job figuring that out Professor X!You're absolutly wright.

This isn't really a matter of right and wrong, but this is definitely the most coherent theory I've seen on the origin of the Exos to date.

Good theory. Someone more creative than I should write an epic or short story with this theme. However, I'm not certain the Exo-Toa are sentient. Intelligent to a degree, but not sentient.

- ToP

Sentient, ToP, means able to think, or at least alive.

great idea... though I'm a bit iffy on parts of it. The Exo-Toa have been there for quite a long time, so I kind of wonder.

But think about it... if Kraata become exos for themselves (which would denounce my theory on Rahkshi being large organic beings with armor), the Kraata stay IN their 'exo' (Rahkshi). So.... where did the Toa of ancient times go? Because the Exos only fit Toa...

QUOTE (Polo X @ Jul 17 2003, 06:49 AM)

QUOTE (Professor X @ Jul 16 2003, 08:53 PM) All right, we know that the Toa had been submerged in Protodermis for less than a minute(according to Greg).  Greg also told us the Rahkshi had been in Protodermis for probably months.  Now, the Toa Nuva are still sentient, but the kraata which were the Rahkshi are not.  Maybe the Exo-Toa were once beings who were submerged in protodermis for long enough that they lost most control over mind and body, yet not so long that they were not sentient!  That's my two widgets, post your thoughts. Mark Both the Rahkshi and the Exo Toa are sentient. The Rahkshi are intellegent and deadly, but need a Kraata to power them. The Exo Toa don't even need another being to govern their actions, and they fought against the Bohrok Kal on their own free will. ~PX~

no sorry to say this but you are WRONG. The Exo-Toa NEVER fought against the Bohrok-Kal! The Bohrok-Kal destroied them so the TOA NUVA couldn't use them against the Kal

Well, the Exo suits tried to fight against them...

Maybe the Exo-Suits fought by themselves not because they could, but because they were supposed to. Their destiny gave them power.

QUOTE (Professor X @ Jul 17 2003, 07:41 PM)

Sentient, ToP, means able to think, or at least alive.

Sentient means aware, particularly self-aware. Cogito ergo sum, in other words.
Intelligent means able to think. Animals are able to think, but they have no sense of self, and that's about the mental level I see the Exo-Toa at.

- ToP

That theory sounds perfect exept the Exo-toa were probably sitting in the chamber where they were found, even longer than the toa had been around! Of course than they could have been in prodomis for alittle while, still having a sense of intellagence(I'm not trying to start an argument about the definition of intellagence)and then found afterwards.

I think it's entirely possible. No one knows for sure so how can we say he's wrong.

That is a good Theorie. Just think about it. Toa Nuva were in there for a short time so they grew more powerful and kept there minds. If the krana were exposed to Protodermis They'd be in there longer than the toa yet also keep their minds. In other words a bohrok without a krana is basicly like a rahi. Also you take a bohrak with a krana and expose it to protodermis for a short time you get the enhanced Bohrok, the Kal (note their SILVER weapons like the Toa nuva). You already know about the Rahkshi part but what if they were exposed again for a short time like the Toa and Kal what would they be like? To tell the truth if they do something that like that again it shoud be really enhaced to impress me. Anyway The longer you stay in protodermis the more powerful you become yet you lose more of your mind.

That would be a cool concept. Perhaps the creation of the EXO is something we'll see addressed in the upcoming storylines.

It's actually pretty cool, and COULD explain how they were able to operator sans Toa.

I think if the thoery is true, that it was maybe 6 overexposed bohrok that became the Exo-Toa.