TakaNuva Vahi Master
Aug 22 2003, 10:56 AM
Y'know how the only things changed by Protodermis is something that is destined to? Well if thats the case how does the Protodermis know if something is destined to? Does it know? We know its more than just a liquid, but is it an organism itself? So if it knows what the destiny of a being that falls into it is it knows the future! It knew that the toa had to be upgraded to fight the new wave of enemies and a new Makuta. And it knew that it was the kraatas destiny to fight the toa. It probably knows when/if the toa will fall in again and get upgraded, or if the thousands of kraata will fall in and rule the island. Now we're getting into the "There is no fate but what you make" line from Terminator.(And we know how good that worked for those who saw T3.) The bottom line is, Protodermis may be much much more than "The stuff of life" we know it as today. If it knows the future, than it is the most powerful being on Mata-Nui. Maybe even more powerfl than Mata-Nui himself. I know its kind of an "out-there" theory.
The Chronicler of Mata Nui
Aug 22 2003, 10:59 AM
TakaNuva Vahi Master
Aug 22 2003, 11:02 AM
No only things that are destined to change, change. Therein lies the problem. Who determines to change a being? If not the protodermis itself, who?
Aug 22 2003, 02:05 PM
|QUOTE (TakaNuva Vahi Master @ Aug 22 2003, 03:02 PM)|
| No only things that are destined to change, change. Therein lies the problem. Who determines to change a being? If not the protodermis itself, who?|
the great beings of course
they're the ones who arrange all of this stuff. as you know, they're the ones who sent the toa down in the first place.
they just use proto as an excuse for their powers of change.
and you may say, "but makuta uses the proto to change the kratta into rahkshi, how could it be arranged by the great beings?" well, (not to bring religion into it, i'm not trying to convert anyone) it says in the bible that god allows satan to do things, but he still has control over him, even though satan doesn't think so.
there's a try at an explaination
Aug 22 2003, 02:11 PM
This link might answer your question-Machanical-Biology: Database
You might find some information in there.
Aug 22 2003, 02:11 PM
Protodermis looks kinda like the T-1000 from terminator 2 but i doubt it is living because in its solid form itcannot be living!
Aug 22 2003, 04:42 PM
Well, I think that the things that are destined to be changed by protodermis have something... I'm not sure what, maybe it's inside them somewhere, but if destiny was determined before they were even there, something could have been put in their superstructure that would make them change. I think proto is kind of like wood. Organic, yet it can be made into things used for everyday life.
Aug 22 2003, 05:53 PM
Nah very nice theory but it does not sound living of course who knows it might be a living substance .
Messenger of the Great Beings
Aug 22 2003, 07:48 PM
That's a nice thoery! But I'd like to say a few things. I personally don't think Protodermis is alive in the sense we think of it, but I belive that is may have a sense of awarness. So, In some cases it can be very powerful, But I doubt that it really knows how to utilize it's power, nor can it move or anything on it's own.
Aug 22 2003, 07:53 PM
No. No, Protodermis has been reffered to as a "susbstance." Substances are not organisms. I think of Liquid proto as an agent of destiny.....you know, like hoe Gatorade is designed to send electrolytes and vitamins into yoru bloodstream, protodermis is designed to fufill the destiny of whatever needs its destiny fufilled.
Hope that helps.
TakaNuva Vahi Master
Aug 23 2003, 07:17 AM
Yes, but you missed the other part of my question. If not Proto-D, than what determines what is to be changed by Protodermis or not? And how?
Aug 25 2003, 09:12 PM
Well, by my theory, which is incomplete in relation to protodermis, it is nothing more than trillions of microscopic nanobots, constantly moving and shifting. They are usually sealed in giant tubes and such, because the are highly reactant to anything they come into contact with. In the case of the Toa, when they interact with said Toa, they link legs, and a tremendous electrical jolt fuses them together to create a nearly indestructible matrix that makes excellent armor or weapons. Some are assigned certain tasks like being mask modifications, which make a new coating and remote power device for maks, or form new weapons and armor and legs. Also, when they come into contact with air, they have no tasks then, so they fuse into a random solid, which can be melted down and made into various tools and such, being very strong is very valuable. Perhaps that is why it is called 'the stuff of life.'
Aug 25 2003, 09:22 PM
I dont think it's really possible for it to be alive. I mean the sutffs mined for cow! don't you think it would put up a fight?
Aug 25 2003, 10:02 PM
ya of course its organism it is like pure energy taht needs to be harnessed. and can prove to be useful
Aug 25 2003, 10:37 PM
I don't think it is alive. I think it is something like water or liquid silver or something!
Aug 25 2003, 10:41 PM
No I just think the protodermis is a power under the island of mata nui itself.
Aug 26 2003, 09:06 AM
It was made to do it mata-nui probably, created protodermis and made it in a way so that it would know
Aug 26 2003, 09:11 AM
I think it's alive because it turned the toa into the toa nuva as a gift. As well, it trapped the bahrag in protodermis.
Aug 26 2003, 09:52 AM
hmm ...... good thorey but no its not aliv eits kinda like water water can be turned to ice and protodondermis can be turned to solid steel
Aug 26 2003, 11:41 AM
no it is a substance that if something falls into It can enhance its power
Aug 26 2003, 12:28 PM
I am The Brahman
Of course its not alive! A living creature at the simplest level need oxegen ( as in breathing, and we don't see protodermis doing that) AND food for energy ( by eating or root & photosythisis, and it dosen't do that either!
). That , my friends, is my belief. Now if the great beings use protodermis as an agent of there powers, that's up in the air. I shall pray and meditate on that and see if I get a reply.
The Brahman hath spake
Aug 26 2003, 02:52 PM
I don't think its living. Its like metal. We mine for it and can change it to suit our needs. Aparently protodermis is quite different form any type of metal we know so it possible it could be a interdependant organism that latches onto whatever touchs it.
Aug 26 2003, 03:51 PM
Protodermis moves like water, well liquid that is, it does not move by itself, it does not crawl along the ground or anything!
Aug 27 2003, 10:21 AM
|QUOTE (TakaNuva Vahi Master @ Aug 23 2003, 08:17 AM)|
| Yes, but you missed the other part of my question. If not Proto-D, than what determines what is to be changed by Protodermis or not? And how?|
I beleive GregF has answered this part.....protodermis is an agent of Destiny. It changes someone who is destined to be changed into somethign else is changed by Liquid Protodermis. It's just one of it's properties. Just like hydrochloric acid corrodes materials, Liquid P changes things that are Destined to be changed.
Aug 27 2003, 03:14 PM
I don't believe its a living organism, but can change certain things when it comes into contact with them.
Aug 27 2003, 04:41 PM
Neat little Thery and it makes good sence!!
Aug 27 2003, 05:54 PM
The matoran's mine it to use it for many things its obviuosly a non-living thing!
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