I think the Turaga might of made the Exo-Toa think about it the Turaga new how dangerous the Bohrok were and also that the Toa would come so why not make it easier . Also the Turaga might of used the Exo-toa before when the they were Toa Metru .

QUOTE (golden exo-onua @ Nov 1 2003, 03:43 PM)

I think the Turaga might of made the Exo-Toa think about it the Turaga new how dangerous the Bohrok were and also that the Toa would come so why not make it easier . Also the Turaga might of used the Exo-toa before when the they were Toa Metru .

Then why would they make it so that they had to collect all those Krana?

QUOTE (Tal @ Nov 1 2003, 02:48 PM)

QUOTE (golden exo-onua @ Nov 1 2003, 03:43 PM) I think the Turaga might of made the Exo-Toa think about it the Turaga new how dangerous the Bohrok were and also that the Toa would come so why not make it easier . Also the Turaga might of used the Exo-toa before when the they were Toa Metru . Then why would they make it so that they had to collect all those Krana?

Maybe because they wanted them to prove themselves good at their job . But really I don't know .

Ok, first of all, the Toa don't have a "job". And second, c'mon! They are smarter than to put the island in danger just so the toa could prove themselves!

QUOTE (Tal @ Nov 1 2003, 02:54 PM)

Ok, first of all, the Toa don't have a "job". And second, c'mon! They are smarter than to put the island in danger just so the toa could prove themselves!

What you mean by the toa do not have a job because they do there job is to protect everyone on the island and awaken Mata-nui also the Krana were just a key and they were pretty easy to collect if you remember after all bohrok are not very powerful .

That might be true, the turaga certainly have the knowledge to make Exo-Toa, but it wouldn't be very smart to make powerful armor that blocks the user's powers..

... Unless they were just a device to realise that they NEEDED to use their elemental powers, thus creating the liquid Protodermis, transforming them into Toa Nuva.

Whoever made the Exo-Toa knew the Toa would become Toa Nuva. Though, they are quite the eleborate device.
Then again, to ensure the Toa Nuva's arrival, I suppose nothing less could suffice.

It was a test, the collection of Krana. Only after they... yada yada yada, etc.
Has to do with the virtue of Destiny.

The barag made the exo-toa.

Makes sense in a confusing kind of way...

Why would the Bahrag make the devices that would lead to their imprisonment?

QUOTE (Lord Lupus @ Nov 2 2003, 09:41 AM)

Why would the Bahrag make the devices that would lead to their imprisonment?

Exactly. The Turaga might've made them, but I don't think so. I think it was something outta Metru-Nui, seeing as the Exos were built far too complex for the Turaga at the time. If something there can make Kanohi, why not Exo-Toas?

-Inuyasha

It's very possible. We can probably gather that someone or something on Metru Nui made the Exo-Toa.

It could have been the Turaga, knowing that they would witness the Bohrok invasion of Mata Nui during the time of the Toa.

It could have been the Matoran. They seem to be quite technically advanced on Metru Nui, it is a city after all.

Or it could have been the same people who made the Kanohi. I'm hedging my bets on these [/I]Mask Makers[I].

QB

maybe the bahrag made the exo-toa so that the toa could not beat them,because they didn't allow the elemental powers which could kill them be used?

QUOTE (Tal @ Nov 1 2003, 03:48 PM)

QUOTE (golden exo-onua @ Nov 1 2003, 03:43 PM) I think the Turaga might of made the Exo-Toa think about it the Turaga new how dangerous the Bohrok were and also that the Toa would come so why not make it easier . Also the Turaga might of used the Exo-toa before when the they were Toa Metru . Then why would they make it so that they had to collect all those Krana?

Well the krana were keys to the door of the Bahrag and the Exo's were just outside the door. Personally I think the Turaga didn't make them because they are so complex and can move without piolets even. What did make them I don't know.

QUOTE (Lord Lupus @ Nov 2 2003, 10:41 AM)

Why would the Bahrag make the devices that would lead to their imprisonment?

They weren't planning on the exo-toa to destroy them, (remember the exo-toa can operate on there own) they made them either to protect themselves further, or to trick the toa. Its probably just a coincidence that the toa could fit in them. (the TOA named them "exo-toa")

if the turaga made the exo and the krana keys they would have been to test the toa make them more skilled and wiser
why didn't the turaga tell the toa to get the mask that would be easiest to get or get a mask to help them get another mask(lewa went to get the mask of speed and it was underwater why didn't matau tell him where to find the mask of underwater breathing first)?

QUOTE (Inuyasha @ Nov 2 2003, 10:02 AM)

QUOTE (Lord Lupus @ Nov 2 2003, 09:41 AM) Why would the Bahrag make the devices that would lead to their imprisonment? Exactly. The Turaga might've made them, but I don't think so. I think it was something outta Metru-Nui, seeing as the Exos were built far too complex for the Turaga at the time. If something there can make Kanohi, why not Exo-Toas? -Inuyasha

that could be true Inuyasha but we really don't know how much the turaga can do yet after all Nuparu made the Boxor and he is just a Matoran .

Very nice theory, and highly possible too.

-Wildcat

QUOTE (mcmadzean @ Nov 2 2003, 01:36 AM)

The barag made the exo-toa.

The Bahrag did not make the Exo-Toa proof is 1 the Bahrag don't have the skill to do that and 2 why make something that is mean't to destroy you after all they said the toa cornering the bahrag made stronger that before thy were cornered they were getting hurt . Just wanted to clear that up .

QUOTE (golden exo-onua @ Nov 5 2003, 07:28 PM)

QUOTE (mcmadzean @ Nov 2 2003, 01:36 AM) The barag made the exo-toa.   The Bahrag did not make the Exo-Toa proof is 1 the Bahrag don't have the skill to do that and 2 why make something that is mean't to destroy you after all they said the toa cornering the bahrag made stronger that before thy were cornered they were getting hurt . Just wanted to clear that up .

If you look at my previous post, it explains that. Also, I'm pretty sure the bahrag are capable of creating the exo-toa. (quote: Nightmares and impossbilities...words that mean nothing to the Bahrag--the rulers of the Bohrok swarms. For they do not dream...and their power makes ALL things possible. unquote.)

QUOTE (mcmadzean @ Nov 2 2003, 08:26 PM)

QUOTE (Lord Lupus @ Nov 2 2003, 10:41 AM) Why would the Bahrag make the devices that would lead to their imprisonment? They weren't planning on the exo-toa to destroy them, (remember the exo-toa can operate on there own) they made them either to protect themselves further, or to trick the toa. Its probably just a coincidence that the toa could fit in them. (the TOA named them "exo-toa")

When the Exos operated on their own, they protected the Nuva cube, why would the Bahrag make something that would hold off the Bohrok-Kal from freeing them? And the Exo- Toa could've easily protected the Bahrag from the Toa if the Bahrag had made them.

QUOTE (Dark Rahkshi @ Nov 7 2003, 02:31 PM)

QUOTE (mcmadzean @ Nov 2 2003, 08:26 PM) QUOTE (Lord Lupus @ Nov 2 2003, 10:41 AM) Why would the Bahrag make the devices that would lead to their imprisonment? They weren't planning on the exo-toa to destroy them, (remember the exo-toa can operate on there own) they made them either to protect themselves further, or to trick the toa. Its probably just a coincidence that the toa could fit in them. (the TOA named them "exo-toa") When the Exos operated on their own, they protected the Nuva cube, why would the Bahrag make something that would hold off the Bohrok-Kal from freeing them? And the Exo- Toa could've easily protected the Bahrag from the Toa if the Bahrag had made them.

When the Bahrag made the exo-toa, they made them to protect themselves, and did NOT intend to have them protecting the Nuva cube. My theory is that the bahrag made the exo-toa SOOOOO realistic, that when operating on their own, they have the choice to THINK by themselves. (unlike the bohrok, who take orders only by the krana, except when the krana are not in their shells.) So the exo-toa took the time to question if the Bahrag's way was the right way. ALL BY THEMSELVES, in their OWN opinion, they decided that they'd rather help the toa(nuva) than continue serving the Bahrag. Thus, they protected the Nuva cube.(Which turned out to be the wrong thing to do, because now the Bohrok Kal destroyed them...)

Well, I belive that the Bahrag did NOT make the exo-toa. Why make them when they could easily lead to there own demise? And how could the bahrag have known that the nuva cube would have appeared? Some of you may ague 'Then why do the bohrok kal know to go after the nuva symbols?' Well, the answer is actualy quite simple. The kal, like regular bohrok, probobly have a mental link with the bahrag, thus enabling them to carry out there mission.

Also, I beleive that the turaga locked away the exo-toa, not make them. The exo-toa were probobly made by Mata-Nui.

I agree. I think Mata-Nui(the spirit)made the Exos knowing that he wouldnt be around if the bahrag were ever to wake the swarms. I think he knew that the Toa would need the Exos if they were to defeat the Bahrag. He didnt know that they would suppress the Toas power and they would transform in to the TOA NUVA