I'm just gonna come out and say it, since this is as good a place as any.

If the makuta species can shapeshift, what's the point of building MoCs of them? I mean, you could theoretically label any MoC a makuta because of that ability.

My thoughts exactly. Canonizing everything takes away a sort of... I dunno, imaginative? feel from it.

It's kinda like when they make all the masks canon. =\

Cuz otherwise none one actually enters them.

Plus, people tend to put more effort into it and do a better job with the motivation that what they produce just may be official.

~EW~

I had a feeling you'd say that.

Answer is simple. Fans want input, and they wanna know what the characters look like. I think it's a great idea.

Isn't alternate Teridax basically just normal Teridax but white and gold?

And given the specifications given on BS01, there's not really huge room for creativity.

Plus alternate Teridax is the last character I'd want a form for. Tuyet, Helryx - there are lots of other characters who need a visual representation more, IMO.

Not to worry.

- Tilius

I am going to quote you from the contest #4 topic and add my reply here:

# As an added emphasis, prototype/non-production pieces are 100% NOT ALLOWED. People will invariably vote for said MoC without consideration to MoC itself.

I love how little faith you guys have in the voters. Wow.

 

Also, why do you guys have to have a contest for every little thing? This is an extremely limiting, and rather unnecessary contest, IMO. As someone else said, how hard is it to envision Makuta, but white and gold? Considering that was his description...

Because he can be MOCed unlike other characters such as Helryx and Tuyet? You don't have to enter if you don't want to.

And we don't have a contest for every little thing. That's quite the exaggeration you have going on. The only other MOC contest we have had was the Certavus contest. So before you criticize us, please consider the evidence.

Now, let's talk about the short story contest. Guess what? GregF gave us that suggestion.

Is it really extremely limiting? As I said in one of my other posts, we are allowing other gold masks except for some masks that don't even make sense, such as the Vahi, Ignika, Olmak, and Avohkii. We don't know if these masks existed in the alternate universe, so I am throwing these out.

We are giving you guys two months... two months to get a gold mask. I think that's a long time.

Yeah, so no, I can't agree with your opinions at all.

If you don't like it, don't enter.

Why would BS01 bother with doing anything non-canon? It's a fact site, there's no reason why we should host contests that aren't made factual. Leave that to BZP contests.

It's because it keeps up interest in the brand, I guess.

It seems to be just so BS01 can get more people.

I dunno I'm psyched. But if you're not entering then maybe I'll have a chance....

Oh for goodness sakes of course you'll enter silly me oh well.

I happen to agree with you on the first part, DV. In my opinion, there are hosts of better characters to pick from. But that's the beauty of a contest, I guess. You don't have to enter if you really don't want to. There's always another one. *shrugs*

A white Makuta Contest? I wish it would have been another character.

I wish ToM had saved his Makuta...

-BD

I happen to agree with you on the first part, DV. In my opinion, there are hosts of better characters to pick from. But that's the beauty of a contest, I guess. You don't have to enter if you really don't want to. There's always another one. *shrugs*

...And we seem to have a multitude of contests.

Nice that the only comments that get by are the ones you agree with, eh?

Actually, Kayru, it's just the staff's. DV hasn't approved any of the comments here.

I am going to quote you from the contest #4 topic and add my reply here:

# As an added emphasis, prototype/non-production pieces are 100% NOT ALLOWED. People will invariably vote for said MoC without consideration to MoC itself.

I love how little faith you guys have in the voters. Wow.

 

Also, why do you guys have to have a contest for every little thing? This is an extremely limiting, and rather unnecessary contest, IMO. As someone else said, how hard is it to envision Makuta, but white and gold? Considering that was his description...

Because he can be MOCed unlike other characters such as Helryx and Tuyet? You don't have to enter if you don't want to.

And we don't have a contest for every little thing. That's quite the exaggeration you have going on. The only other MOC contest we have had was the Certavus contest. So before you criticize us, please consider the evidence.

Now, let's talk about the short story contest. Guess what? GregF gave us that suggestion.

Is it really extremely limiting? As I said in one of my other posts, we are allowing other gold masks except for some masks that don't even make sense, such as the Vahi, Ignika, Olmak, and Avohkii. We don't know if these masks existed in the alternate universe, so I am throwing these out.

We are giving you guys two months... two months to get a gold mask. I think that's a long time.

Yeah, so no, I can't agree with your opinions at all.

He can be MOCed, but those characters can't?

Okay. Wait. A character who was described as the 'good twin' of an evil character we already have two official representations of, with a ridiculous number of silly restrictions and guidelines can be MOCed, but characters that have had an open-ended description like "is a Toa of water" can't be?

If this is the logic BS01 staff uses on the wiki, God help the people who use it.

Nice that the only comments that get by are the ones you agree with, eh?

I hadn't been home since I posted this, but thanks for the accusation. I'll be sure to filter out dissenting thoughts next time.

I dunno I'm psyched. But if you're not entering then maybe I'll have a chance....

Oh for goodness sakes of course you'll enter silly me oh well.

Don't worry, I'm not entering. I'm not a member of BS01, and have no intentions of ever doing so.

Obviously they can't be MOCed. They have masks that don't exist in set form. Unless you want to pull of a few Krakuas.

He's been described as white being. Okay, so what? So that means we assume he looks exactly how he was in 2003 or 2004? No, bad, bad assumption. He's a shapeshifter. Mata Nui created the Makuta in the core universe, and the Great Beings created the Makuta in the alternate universe. He's not going to look exactly like the 2003/4 Makuta.

There's no need to insult BS01.

Obviously they can't be MOCed. They have masks that don't exist in set form. Unless you want to pull of a few Krakuas.

He's been described as white being. Okay, so what? So that means we assume he looks exactly how he was in 2003 or 2004? No, bad, bad assumption. He's a shapeshifter. Mata Nui created the Makuta in the core universe, and the Great Beings created the Makuta in the alternate universe. He's not going to look exactly like the 2003/4 Makuta.

There's no need to insult BS01.

The 2003 set is the definitive set for what Makuta looks like. As far as I'm aware, this is his 'neutral' form. And whether or not this is true, that is how a majority of storyline followers also see it. So when Alt. Makuta is described as a white, good version of our Makuta, what else is someone going to envision? So because these are shapeshifters, now you're assuming that they don't have a form which they prefer over another, or a form which is their 'original'?

Also, if they are shapeshifters, how can you even have a canon interpretation of this character? Anyone who thinks otherwise will just be all "well, that's a shapeshifted form, he doesn't really look like that."

And sure, pull a Krakua. After all, you're doing exactly that in this contest anyway. Why is it okay to do for Alt. Makuta, who has already been described satisfactorily, but not for a character who has not? Surely such important characters, like Helryx, could have a ceremonial mask like the Hagah did? Or Tuyet, who has traveled through other dimensions? Who says that in the other dimension she chilled out in, they don't make the mask she wears in the shape of a mask we have seen in the main universe?

See, I can make up excuses too.

As for insulting BS01, all I did was say I have no intention of ever, ever, ever joining that site. If you perceive that as an insult to BS01, you are welcome to that interpretation, but that is you putting words in my 'mouth', not something I have said here.

The problem is that we know Alternate Teridax can change the shape of his mask, yet the mask is a Mask of Shadows. I am not sure how it's an excuse?

Also, if you feel like you want a contest about Tuyet or Helryx, then go ahead and ask GregF to approve it. If you feel like you have a problem with our contest ideas, go tell GregF that, not us. We give ideas to GregF, and he approves them.

The canon form of Alternate Teridax? That's like saying the 2003 and 2004 forms of Teridax are not canon.

I was referring to this quote when I meant you were insulting BS01:

"If this is the logic BS01 staff uses on the wiki, God help the people who use it."

The problem is that we know Alternate Teridax can change the shape of his mask, yet the mask is a Mask of Shadows. I am not sure how it's an excuse?

Also, if you feel like you want a contest about Tuyet or Helryx, then go ahead and ask GregF to approve it. If you feel like you have a problem with our contest ideas, go tell GregF that, not us. We give ideas to GregF, and he approves them.

The canon form of Alternate Teridax? That's like saying the 2003 and 2004 forms of Teridax are not canon.

I was referring to this quote when I meant you were insulting BS01:

"If this is the logic BS01 staff uses on the wiki, God help the people who use it."

Well, I was serious with that quote. The logic doesn't make any sense. You took the character we have no visual representation of that has the best mental image created, due to his relationship with a character who has had several set iterations and made him into a contest, instead of using a character who has far less restrictions. I don't understand that, and I am clearly not the only one. You can take that as an insult, I suppose. But I meant it as an observation, and I stand by it. Entirely.

Your sixth and seventh sentences don't make sense?

Also, I don't feel the need to PM Greg to see if he's okay with a contest I want to host becoming canon, because I don't see why every contest has to have a canon aspect to it. Sure, BS01 is a wiki. I fail to see why that means the contests all have to be canon. You can easily put it on the wiki and in the subtitle just put "Interpretation of Alt. Makuta as voted on by BS01 members." That gets the job done just as effectively as running it by Greg to see if he's okay with it becoming canon.

If you want to host a building contest, just host a friggin' building contest. Your members will either enjoy it or not. Making it canon just ruins the story for the rest of us who aren't interested in what a MOCer who is also a member of your site thinks a character should look like.

As to your first sentence, of course that's an excuse, and it's on par with any of the ones I offered to you for the other characters. Krakua doesn't wear a Hau, but that didn't stop LEGO from deciding the mask could be whatever they wanted it to be. And that's how LEGO often does things canonically. You guys would be well within the boundaries created by LEGO to do the same, and you could then have a far more interesting and accessible contest.

But instead...

BS01 is a canon wiki; so yeah, our contests will probably be canon ones. But if you fail to see that, I can't help you there. This is how BS01 staff members want their contests and content to have.

But I apologize for arguing with you; all members will have different opinions.

1. Yes. Yes it is silly. That's what I like about it.

2. You know what? I hate canon contests. I really do. But they're so inexplicably POPULAR that we do 'em. I don't know why it is, it just is.

You know, I would cancel canon contests and all...

But people -still- enter them. What a shock : O

As for you not joining BS01: Oh don't worry, I didn't need an extra member that badly. I still have over 5,000. I'm quite satisfied.

I thought the Certavus contest turned out well, in the end....

Not gonna comment on this, because the drama is just so heavy and sad to me.

Wait, I guess I do have an opinion to share: can't we all just get along?