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Re: The Fault in Our Stars



So I read The Fault in Our Stars about a month and a half ago maybe and I thought it was pretty good and whatnot. One thing that really bothered me about it, though, was the title. Minor spoilers to follow.


The title is lifted from a line of Shakespeare's Julius Caesar. Speaking to well-respected public figure Brutus, senator Cassius states:


The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,

But in ourselves...

This quote's relevance to Green's novel is explained as such within the work:


I am in receipt of your electronic mail dated the 14th of April and duly impressed by the Shakespearean complexity of your tragedy. Everyone in this tale has a rock-solid hamartia: hers, that she is so sick; yours, that you are so well. Were she better or you sicker, then the stars would not be so terribly crossed, but it is the nature of stars to cross, and never was Shakespeare more wrong than when he had Cassius note, “The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars / But in ourselves.” Easy enough to say when you’re a Roman nobleman (or Shakespeare!), but there is no shortage of fault to be found amid our stars.


This passage is presented as an e-mail from reclusive author Peter Van Houten to Augustus Waters, protagonist Hazel's love interest, in an analysis of the relationship between these two main characters that includes a pretentiously unnatural volume of references to Shakespeare's works. Van Houten's point is fairly clear: Shakespeare (or, more accurately, Cassius) was wrong in his analysis of fate; there is indeed "fault in our stars," and that's what the book is about.


Except not quite. Let's take a closer - or rather, a wider - look at Julius Caesar's text. The context for Cassius assertion: Caesar's popularity in Rome has grown immensely. As Brutus and Cassius speak, the Roman masses attempt to make Caesar their king. Neither Brutus nor Cassius desires this, and though Caesar denies the people's offer, both are concerned. Cassius has already decided to take matters into his own hands and has organized a conspiracy to assassinate Caesar. He desires Brutus' support for his plot, primarily because Brutus is a widely-beloved and well-respected public figure who is also a close friend of Caesar's: presumably, he would be able to sway the population in favor of the conspiracy following Caesar's death by convincing them that such a sacrifice was necessary to protect their freedom.





I was born free as Caesar; so were you:

We both have fed as well, and we can both

Endure the winter's cold as well as he:

For once, upon a raw and gusty day,

The troubled Tiber chafing with her shores,

Caesar said to me 'Darest thou, Cassius, now

Leap in with me into this angry flood,

And swim to yonder point?' Upon the word,

Accoutred as I was, I plunged in

And bade him follow; so indeed he did.

The torrent roar'd, and we did buffet it

With lusty sinews, throwing it aside

And stemming it with hearts of controversy;

But ere we could arrive the point proposed,

Caesar cried 'Help me, Cassius, or I sink!'

I, as Aeneas, our great ancestor,

Did from the flames of Troy upon his shoulder

The old Anchises bear, so from the waves of Tiber

Did I the tired Caesar. And this man

Is now become a god, and Cassius is

A wretched creature and must bend his body,

If Caesar carelessly but nod on him.

He had a fever when he was in Spain,

And when the fit was on him, I did mark

How he did shake: 'tis true, this god did shake;

His coward lips did from their colour fly,

And that same eye whose bend doth awe the world

Did lose his lustre: I did hear him groan:

Ay, and that tongue of his that bade the Romans

Mark him and write his speeches in their books,

Alas, it cried 'Give me some drink, Titinius,'

As a sick girl. Ye gods, it doth amaze me

A man of such a feeble temper should

So get the start of the majestic world

And bear the palm alone.

tl;dr (even though you should actually read it since Shakespeare's kind of a decent writer) Cassius once saved Caesar's life by rescuing him from drowning in the Tiber River. Caesar, Cassius asserts, is just as mortal as Brutus and Cassius themselves - not a godlike being as the Roman masses seem to believe. He goes on:





Why, man, he doth bestride the narrow world

Like a Colossus, and we petty men

Walk under his huge legs and peep about

To find ourselves dishonourable graves.

Men at some time are masters of their fates:

The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,

But in ourselves, that we are underlings.

Brutus and Caesar: what should be in that 'Caesar'?

Why should that name be sounded more than yours?

Write them together, yours is as fair a name;

Sound them, it doth become the mouth as well;

Weigh them, it is as heavy; conjure with 'em,

Brutus will start a spirit as soon as Caesar.

Cassius has just established that Ceasar is not intrinsically greater than either himself or, more importantly, Brutus, whom he is clearly attempting to flatter. It stands to reason, then, that Caesar has no more claim to the throne than does Brutus - the only reason Brutus and Cassius are politically beneath Caesar - his "underlings" - is that they have not yet done anything about it. There is no "fault in [their] stars" that stands in the way of their halting Caesar's rise to power.


Cassius' quote is a situational one that applies specifically to his and Brutus' sociopolitical status; it is not, as Van Houten suggests, an overarching analysis of the nature of fate. It's not like this is a major deal or anything but it just kind of irked me ya feel.

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I'm reading my way through Shakespeare's complete works and Julius Caesar is next after I'm through with the incredibly vicious Titus Andronicus.
I always happened to like the quote as a perspective on human fate, even if it's not entirely accurate. It's even on the ceiling in the Library of Congress, amongst a great many other things.
Honestly it seems like the "dear Brutus" part is too often left out. Were it given more emphasis, I don't think people would misconstrue it as much.

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I'm not sure if it's totally inacurrate the way it's portrayed in The Fault in Our Stars.


This speech is all about a human saying "We can't just accept things the way they are; we can do something about this because we are no different."


TFiOS is more about "there are obstacles in life that make man's mortality apparent, and some things you have no choice but to live with."


While the scene is specific, the book itself is also specific.  If looked into, I'm sure anyone could argue "they have nothing to do with each other," but I think the general concepts do actually play off of each other nicely, albiet vaguely.

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This one time, I heard someone say "Some infinities are bigger than others," and I got really excited and started talking about transfinite numbers and nondenumerability.  I wound up taking half an hour to explain, and they just said, "Yeah, and the amount between 0 and 1 is more than between 0 and 1/2."


The moral of the story is, The Fault in Our Stars seems to misrepresent both William Shakespeare and Georg Cantor.  Also, showing mathematical proofs to strangers is time-consuming.

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It's funny that all 3 of us seem to disagree. I'd interpret it as Cassius stating that it wasn't fate that made them lesser than Caesar, but their self-image. He says in the very line before that we sometimes control our fate... so he's saying that it isn't their fate (which like the stars are unreachable and uncontrollable in their eyes), but the thought within themselves (exact quote: "in ourselves") that they consider themselves to be underlings, that betrays them.


Van Houten's interpretation isn't that far off, actually... he's saying this is one of those cases in which the stars are the problem - it's not them holding themselves back, but it is their stars (their unchangeable fate, cancer) that causes their tragedy.


Also, BioGio, that statement isn't particularly wrong.

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