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Trijhak

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Remember on the old forums that you could put a short description below a title, instead of tags?

 

I kind of miss that, even though I don't start topics much.

 

Also, kinda wondering, why some parts of the Star Wars EU excluded from being made non-canon? Was it one of those weird Star Wars things where everything has to be slightly more complicated and if they made the things non-canon we wouldn't know the incredibly important backstory of Background Extra #353256, also known as 'Evi L'badgi'? Surely Disney would have a much easier time just stating only the films are canon? Less obstacles in the future that way. Keeping something canon when everything else has been made non-canon seems like a weird move that'll probably come back and bite them somewhere.

 

Also, there are probably people out there wondering why Star Wars skipped IV-VI. Just a thought.

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Not sure what you're referring to parts of the Star Wars EU that are still canon. As far as I know, the six movies and The Clone Wars are the only pre-2014 Star Wars media that are still considered canon, and none of those things were ever considered "expanded universe" in the first place. George Lucas had considerable involvement in creating the Clone Wars movie and TV series.

Any new Star Wars media going forward could conceivably borrow elements from stuff that is now considered non-canon, with Disney's approval of course. But that's not the same as saying that media is back to being canon, any more than G2 Bionicle borrowing names and concepts from G1 makes the stories those names and concepts came from canon to G2.

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But the Clone Wars is expanded universe, since it's not one of the films, which, you know, are the non-expanded universe... you can't say it isn't just because of George Lucas' involvement. By that reasoning, Indiana Jones is part of the Star Wars expanded universe, and so is every other non-SW thing Lucas has been involved in. And there are several non-film things in the SW (former) EU that Lucas had been involved in. 

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But the Clone Wars is expanded universe, since it's not one of the films, which, you know, are the non-expanded universe... you can't say it isn't just because of George Lucas' involvement. By that reasoning, Indiana Jones is part of the Star Wars expanded universe, and so is every other non-SW thing Lucas has been involved in. And there are several non-film things in the SW (former) EU that Lucas had been involved in.

Star Wars canon was formerly organized in "tiers" that determined how canon they were. So, for instance, most books were considered canon, unless the movies decided to do things differently, in which case they took priority. The Clone Wars cartoon was considered the second-highest "tier" of canon from the moment it started (second only to the movies itself, and "more canon" than the various books, comics, and video games that preceded it). It was not the same sort of "expanded universe" content as other Star Wars media, because George Lucas greenlit the series with the full intention of it being a canonical addition to the Star Wars saga. Bringing up things like Indiana Jones is a dumb argument because there was never any intention of those being related to the Star Wars saga at all (outside of easter eggs and shared actors), whereas the opposite was true with Clone Wars.

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Except, as I said, they're not part of the movies. So they are in fact part of the Star Wars Expanded Universe.

 

You can't go putting on these arbitrary barriers that make it canon despite it not being a movie. As far as most of the public - including myself - are concerned, everything SW that isn't a movie is part of the expanded universe. 

 

You said it yourself: before the removal of the EU it was a lower level of canon to the movies. Just because it's unfortunately canon now doesn't mean it's suddenly not a part of the expanded universe when it very much is, and very clearly was. It was an exception, not something that got special treatment.

 

And as I said, George Lucas was involved with other EU things in Star Wars that weren't the Clone Wars. Does that make those canon, too? No, it doesn't.

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Star Wars: The Clone Wars is officially canon to the Star Wars story, as it always has been and was always intended to be, and isn't considered part of the Expanded Universe so much as an important supplement to the films, unlike the books and comics and such which were much more niche and "optional", I guess you could say.

 

"just because George Lucas is involved doesn't mean it's canon" is a stupid argument, because to my knowledge nobody has actually stated otherwise. the difference is, with The Clone Wars he was actively involved with the intent of making it canon, unlike the other media which he just put his stamp of approval on and had more of a "yeah okay whatever" attitude toward.

 

the official definition of the Star Wars Expanded Universe does not include The Clone Wars. it is literally, by definition, not-EU.
 
(now, Star Wars: Clone Wars, on the other hand, isn't canon. for some stupid reason. I liked Dirge.)

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In the current Star Wars EU yes, but I am talking about the things that made the Star Wars EU non-canon, you know, because before that it was expanded universe. 

 

(Also the Clone Wars being canon would be vastly preferable to The Clone Wars being canon any day of the week, I'm pretty sure that's the popular opinion)

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In the current Star Wars EU yes, but I am talking about the things that made the Star Wars EU non-canon, you know, because before that it was expanded universe. 

 

(Also the Clone Wars being canon would be vastly preferable to The Clone Wars being canon any day of the week, I'm pretty sure that's the popular opinion)

No, The Clone Wars was canon before Disney even bought Lucasfilm. That's what we're trying to explain. You seem to be arbitrarily assuming that anything other than the movies counted as EU material, but The Clone Wars was designed to supercede EU material and be the second-highest level of "canon", besides the movies themselves (in other words, to be totally canon unless future movies ever contradicted the events of the show). More information can be found here. Basically, when Disney took over they deemed that everything T-Canon level and above would remain canon, while everything C-Canon and below would be deemed "Legends" material and would not influence future additions to the canon.

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I know it was canon, but it's not a movie so it is in fact part of the expanded universe. You're saying it yourself: it wasn't even on the same level of canon as the movies.

 

I'm not sure why anything other than the movies wouldn't be expanded universe, since the movies are the very core of SW canon. Anything that isn't a movie expands the universe - hence the name expanded universe. 

 

If the Clone wars was a movie, then it wouldn't be expanded universe. But it isn't, so it very much is part of the expanded universe. Entry locked since I am not sure why this point is so hard to make.

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