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One Reason Debating Helps Us Learn


Aanchir

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Sometimes, all it takes is a narrow-minded person for us to realize that we're sometimes as wrong as they are.

 

I had disliked the Mistika Makuta Kanohi and was holding out for some story explanation that might rectify what I thought to be a grave injury by the set designers. After seeing one person fervently debate the point in the official 2008 sets topic (and very well, I might add, as he certainly had ample reason for his views and little opposition proposed that truly conflicted with them), I discovered a crucial aspect of the Mistika Makuta Kanohi we had all up to now ignored.

 

Take a look at these masks. When looking at Gorast's you might notice it doesn't fit so snugly as the Hordika masks/faces did. I had previously regarded this as a flaw. But it never hurts to take a second look. Take a look at how the mask attaches. It is not some horizontal attachment like the Hordika had, an attachment which impedes its removal. It is vertical, like the Ultimate Dume Kraahkan, or Teridax's Kraahkan, now Icarax's...

 

It would appear, at least to me, that a Mata or Metru head might just fit in the standard Kraahkan configuration. Certainly it is obvious that these masks are not "flip masks" like the Kraahkan. But it seems that they would fit as the Kraahkan always has in sets before.

 

Just think... all this time, we had a mask that fit on Makuta two ways. When new Makuta were released we saw that they tended to wear masks that only worked one of those ways. What fools we all were never to even fathom that there might be more who tended to wear masks that only worked in the other configuration!

 

Congratulations, set designers, for once again putting us in our place and reminding us that you're putting thought into your noble work.

 

With all due respect,

:vahi: Aanchir: Rachira of Time

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I'm confused.

 

First:

Take a look at how the mask attaches. It is not some horizontal attachment like the Hordika had, an attachment which impedes its removal. It is vertical, like the Ultimate Dume Kraahkan, or Teridax's Kraahkan, now Icarax's...

I can't look at how the new mask attaches. I don't have the set nor did you link to any pix.

 

Second:

It would appear, at least to me, that a Mata or Metru head might just fit in the standard Kraahkan configuration. Certainly it is obvious that these masks are not "flip masks" like the Kraahkan. But it seems that they would fit as the Kraahkan always has in sets before.

What are you trying to say? We have the way the masks usually attach on the heads, and the way Makuta of MN attached his head "rahkshi style" as I remember the phrase being, but I'm confused as to this. I know you mentioned the Hordika, so are you saying the Makuta 08 masks attach another way other than a standard head? We've seen that in Krika already. I figured the set designers were lazy and didn't want to figure out a head, like with Kazi.

 

So I'm confused as to what you're trying to say, and what's special?

 

But glad you're back and blogging!

 

-CF

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I'm confused.

 

First:

Take a look at how the mask attaches. It is not some horizontal attachment like the Hordika had, an attachment which impedes its removal. It is vertical, like the Ultimate Dume Kraahkan, or Teridax's Kraahkan, now Icarax's...

I can't look at how the new mask attaches. I don't have the set nor did you link to any pix.

Never hurts to browse Brickshelf.

 

Bitil (note that his head has changed considerably since this, but unfortunately I cannot find a top-view pic of the new design)

Gorast

Krika

 

Second:

It would appear, at least to me, that a Mata or Metru head might just fit in the standard Kraahkan configuration. Certainly it is obvious that these masks are not "flip masks" like the Kraahkan. But it seems that they would fit as the Kraahkan always has in sets before.

What are you trying to say? We have the way the masks usually attach on the heads, and the way Makuta of MN attached his head "rahkshi style" as I remember the phrase being, but I'm confused as to this. I know you mentioned the Hordika, so are you saying the Makuta 08 masks attach another way other than a standard head? We've seen that in Krika already. I figured the set designers were lazy and didn't want to figure out a head, like with Kazi.

 

So I'm confused as to what you're trying to say, and what's special?

 

But glad you're back and blogging!

 

-CF

On the contrary, I am referring to the fact that the masks perhaps can attach to a standard head, despite not being used in such a way on the set. My evidence for such is the presence of what is seemingly enough space for a Mata or Metru head to fit, a vertical connection as featured on the Kraahkan in its "rahkshi style" configuration, and the fact that no dissembly would appear necessary to remove the masks from the head constructions underneath, unlike the Hordika who required a pin to be removed (though this is just my preference in Kanohi, as the Garai requires the same).

 

So it's not about what we knew already, it's about what we hadn't even considered: the possibility that these masks might actually be able to properly function as such on a normal head.

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On the contrary, I am referring to the fact that the masks perhaps can attach to a standard head, despite not being used in such a way on the set. My evidence for such is the presence of what is seemingly enough space for a Mata or Metru head to fit, a vertical connection as featured on the Kraahkan in its "rahkshi style" configuration, and the fact that no dissembly would appear necessary to remove the masks from the head constructions underneath, unlike the Hordika who required a pin to be removed (though this is just my preference in Kanohi, as the Garai requires the same).

 

So it's not about what we knew already, it's about what we hadn't even considered: the possibility that these masks might actually be able to properly function as such on a normal head.

OK. In that case, that's great that we can take it off easily!

 

-CF

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On the contrary, I am referring to the fact that the masks perhaps can attach to a standard head, despite not being used in such a way on the set. My evidence for such is the presence of what is seemingly enough space for a Mata or Metru head to fit, a vertical connection as featured on the Kraahkan in its "rahkshi style" configuration, and the fact that no dissembly would appear necessary to remove the masks from the head constructions underneath, unlike the Hordika who required a pin to be removed (though this is just my preference in Kanohi, as the Garai requires the same).

 

So it's not about what we knew already, it's about what we hadn't even considered: the possibility that these masks might actually be able to properly function as such on a normal head.

OK. In that case, that's great that we can take it off easily!

 

-CF

And, if these do indeed work on Mata/Metru heads, I'm even more enthusiastic, as it both boosts the legitimacy of these as Kanohi but helps to keep the Kraahkan from eternally being the "odd mask out" (unless you count the Ignika, but I don't think I've ever seen someone using it on a Mata head with Vezon's maw as the dominant face).

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And, if these do indeed work on Mata/Metru heads, I'm even more enthusiastic, as it both boosts the legitimacy of these as Kanohi but helps to keep the Kraahkan from eternally being the "odd mask out" (unless you count the Ignika, but I don't think I've ever seen someone using it on a Mata head with Vezon's maw as the dominant face).

I don't think the Ignika (Vezon) fits on a Mata head, if I remember correctly from a news story. (I don't have one myself :( )

 

Is there a problem with the Kraahkan being the "odd mask out"?

 

-CF

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And, if these do indeed work on Mata/Metru heads, I'm even more enthusiastic, as it both boosts the legitimacy of these as Kanohi but helps to keep the Kraahkan from eternally being the "odd mask out" (unless you count the Ignika, but I don't think I've ever seen someone using it on a Mata head with Vezon's maw as the dominant face).

I don't think the Ignika (Vezon) fits on a Mata head, if I remember correctly from a news story. (I don't have one myself :( )

 

Is there a problem with the Kraahkan being the "odd mask out"?

 

-CF

Not really, but it just seems a bit odd that it would be. Didn't realize the Ignika doesn't fit on a Mata head. I'd better double-check that sometime.

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The "cheeks" (two knobs; one on each side) at the bottom of the Mata head prevent Vezon's Ignika from fitting properly onto the piece.
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