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That is a really nice idea there. No chance that I can do anything about here though. (Not in school anymore)

 

But I think I will need to draw something quickly for earth-day.

The only thing that bothers me is that people don't want to offend LGBT people, and in doing so they offed us "Not-LGBT" people. It's a little absurd. Theoretically, it's a nice gestures, but...

 

I'm not sure I follow. Why would one be offended by a day saying "Hey, LGBT folk deserve the same treatment straight folk get"? There's nothing anti-heterosexual in there.

ToM, you misread his post; look at it again. He clearly said "they offed us 'Not-LGBT' people," not "offend." Clearly this means tolerant people are going on killing rampages, shooting heterosexual persons indiscriminately.

 

 

 

 

Wait what

Divinitation, remember, Sméag

I try to make a case for us traditional people and I get mocked.

 

Mm, should've expected it. *shrug*

 

As for Tom, I'm glad you're willing to respond civilly.

 

It's simply not a natural event, not something man was made for. So, yeah, I'm not that comfortable with it. Hate the sin, love the sinner and all that.

 

Oh, that was no mocking m'man; ToM and I have a sort of running gag about typos (usually made by me, because I am inept at the keyboard).

 

I'm not participating in any sort of debate here, so no worries. xD

As for Tom, I'm glad you're willing to respond civilly.

 

It's simply not a natural event, not something man was made for. So, yeah, I'm not that comfortable with it. Hate the sin, love the sinner and all that.

We could get into a very lengthy discussion about being natural and all that, but that would quite definitely cross the line of discussing controversial subjects, so let's not here. But at any rate, you object to the day because of your religious beliefs, not because it's inherently anti-heterosexual. It's pretty much a given that a day in support of some thing is going to be disapproved of by those who dislike said thing.

 

Also, sorry if it sounded like we were mocking you! If anything, we were mocking Sméag and his frequent(ly hilarious) typoes.

Ah, touche. I keep forgetting that people don't share my beliefs.

 

I'm probvably not gonna stick around 'cause this is getting a bit boring, no offense, so I'll just leave with this statement:

 

Where's the day celebrating hetero people?

 

I hadn't even heard of this before.

 

Ironic, as it's a day of silence and all that.

 

Indeed.

 

-Seran

Where's the day celebrating hetero people?

 

Some would argue that that's the whole rest of the year. Straight folk aren't usually discriminated against, y'see.

 

And Seran, that is indeed ironic. I think it started over here in the US, so maybe it doesn't have as much of a presence in Britain?

But using your logic, every hate crime that isn't committed against homo people is a hate crime committed against hetero people. Therefore we need a day.

But that wouldn't make any sense at all, and nor did I say anything remotely like that. What I said was that events like this – the Day of Silence, Black History Month, various others – exist because a particular group of people has been/is being discriminated against, and so a special day (or month, or week) is created to bring people together in support of that group.

 

As heterosexuals have not generally been discriminated against, been the victims of hate crimes, or any other sort of thing of that nature because of their sexuality, there's simply not that impetus to create a day in their honor. LGBT folk, however, are regularly discriminated against, hated, abused, the list goes on, and so the Day of Silence is partly to show support for them and say "Hey. This mistreatment needs to stop."

 

Not that one should need a single specific date on which to celebrate something one likes, but I hope you see what I'm saying here.

I try to make a case for us traditional people and I get mocked.

 

Mm, should've expected it. *shrug*

 

As for Tom, I'm glad you're willing to respond civilly.

 

It's simply not a natural event, not something man was made for. So, yeah, I'm not that comfortable with it. Hate the sin, love the sinner and all that.

 

You say "traditional people" like being LGBT is anything new. It predates a LOT of stuff. Educate yourself.

 

Also, just as a blanket message: Asking why there's no day of respect for hetero people is utterly missing the point. Hetero people don't DESERVE a day of respect, because hetero people haven't had to overcome hardships or discrimination for who they are. No one has ever had to pretend to be gay for fear of being lynched. No one is trying to pass laws trying to deny hetero people basic rights. Hetero people don't get a day of respect because there's nothing to celebrate, unless you want to celebrate quashing the lives and rights of others. You don't have to do anything for Day of Silence if that's your prerogative, but asking to be acknowledged for overcoming absolutely no hardships whatsoever is just crude.

You say "traditional people" like being LGBT is anything new. It predates a LOT of stuff. Educate yourself.

 

While it does date a while back, it's always been a social thing. Heck, a middle school in my county went through a trend (just like goth, emo, prep, etc) where a bunch of kids were bi. It is just a social trend. Eventually people will get bored of it and grumble about something else.

 

And as for the hate crimes against heteros argument, I'm sure there are some. It's just that the media reports what the squeaky wheel does. Saying that there have been no hate crimes against heteros is naive.

 

And, for the most part people don't care. We don't want to know what you do with your significant other (hetero or homo), we don't care about your nightlife. There's a reason why PDAs are discouraged.

You say "traditional people" like being LGBT is anything new. It predates a LOT of stuff. Educate yourself.

 

While it does date a while back, it's always been a social thing. Heck, a middle school in my county went through a trend (just like goth, emo, prep, etc) where a bunch of kids were bi. It is just a social trend. Eventually people will get bored of it and grumble about something else.

 

And as for the hate crimes against heteros argument, I'm sure there are some. It's just that the media reports what the squeaky wheel does. Saying that there have been no hate crimes against heteros is naive.

 

And, for the most part people don't care. We don't want to know what you do with your significant other (hetero or homo), we don't care about your nightlife. There's a reason why PDAs are discouraged.

Excuse me? What part of the thousands of years of history behind people being gay makes it a "social trend"? It's always been here, it's never going away. It's just gaining support as a social movement because times are changing. Like the Civil Rights movement in the 60s.

 

No, thinking hate crimes against heteros are anything but a negligible minority is naive. Heterosexual people are not the ones in any sort of danger, despite what one or two psychopaths may have done.

 

If that was the case, there would be no problem. But all the laws denying rights to LGBT couples say that people really DO care, way too much.

Except that up until now it has always been a cultural event. It was one way that people interacted with each other as part of there cultural heritage. The middle school I mentioned is only an example.

 

How do you know that the people committing hate crimes against homos aren't psychopaths? I know you're going to say, "They aren't," but really? You don't know. The news only reports the bad cases, the exceptions. Not the rules. Whatever event is in the news needs to be taken with a grain of salt and thought of as an outlier. 9/11 attacks certainly aren't the rule. Bank robberies don't happen down every street. Hate crimes don't happen to everybody. This only seems to be true because it's an issue that you notice easily.

Except that up until now it has always been a cultural event. It was one way that people interacted with each other as part of there cultural heritage. The middle school I mentioned is only an example.

 

How do you know that the people committing hate crimes against homos aren't psychopaths? I know you're going to say, "They aren't," but really? You don't know. The news only reports the bad cases, the exceptions. Not the rules. Whatever event is in the news needs to be taken with a grain of salt and thought of as an outlier. 9/11 attacks certainly aren't the rule. Bank robberies don't happen down every street. Hate crimes don't happen to everybody. This only seems to be true because it's an issue that you notice easily.

Yes, but there isn't an entire social movement dedicated to denying rights to heterosexuals. No one hides their heterosexuality out of shame or fear.

The fact that this argument is going on on a day where I was feeling rather good about people's general support for LGBT folk, after the Day of Silence today, makes me very sad.

 

While it does date a while back, it's always been a social thing. Heck, a middle school in my county went through a trend (just like goth, emo, prep, etc) where a bunch of kids were bi. It is just a social trend. Eventually people will get bored of it and grumble about something else.

Um.

 

"Just a social trend"?

 

Now, clearly there are some who flop around on both sides of the sexuality spectrum just for the sake of being deviant – as you seem to have encountered. But then there are people who actually are gay or bi. You seem to be confusing the two. You seem to think that everyone who's LGBT is that way "because it's the latest social trend" and that somehow they just decided "hey, I'm going to be gay now."

 

I do not know any way to address this other than to say that, quite flatly, you are wrong.

 

One should always do research before making claims like this. I advise you to do a little research. Ask a few people who actually are gay or bi if they're "following the latest social trend" or if they made some sort of "decision" to be that way. Or, you know, I could tell you the answers to those two questions right now: no and no.

 

Being gay has absolutely nothing to do with social trends or decisions. It's about what gender(s) one feels physically attracted to, which isn't something that one has any control over. Now, one can choose to act in a certain way, and to suppress and hide homosexual desires if one wants to do so that badly – but that doesn't change what one is at heart.

 

Yes, I'm sure there have been hate crimes against straight folk committed at some point or other. However, you seem to be glossing over the fact that every day, everywhere, LGBT folk are silenced, discriminated against, tormented, beaten up, murdered for nothing other than not being straight. For something that they have no more control over than the color of their skin.

 

Compared to the staggering amount of hate crimes LGBT folk have been subject to throughout history, it is not only not naïve but accurate to say that there have been barely any hate crimes against straight people.

 

Hopefully, that will clarify some of the things you two were debating over.

 

Advocate, I don't think you have any idea how offensive you're being to some of the LGBT community right now. Kindly consider that before you post something on this subject again.

 

And now, I think I really have no choice but to close this, because there's no way leaving this open will end well at this point. If anyone has issue with what I've just said, they may PM me.