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27 minutes ago, Elephant Knight said:
This.
I read this, and my opinion on the cannon contest went from "Meh, whatever" to "I agree with this statement fully" The highlighted line sums it up PERFECTLY why these contests shouldn't exist. I used to kinda always want to build my own Toa Hagah, and now that these "official" ones are there, I have no desire to build my own. Plus, you can't even build the ones int he artwork cause they changed the colours. The masks I'm willing to let slide.
EKnight
Yeah that's weird how they made it vary between the in-universe and model appearance like that for whatever reason was given or not. Plus it seems Bomonga's built without using the Rhotuka function properly? And then there's pieces being used from beyond the 2005 year the sets are supposed to fit into! It's a bit weird even ignoring the sorta-necessary unique Kanohi that of course don't have official LEGO pieces made, but maybe the latter's a mindset of if they were to have hypothetically approached other Toa Hagah sets with further newly-designed parts to differentiate them more than just reusing existing 2005 parts back then.
It's also pretty funny to think that The Yesterday Quest would get dedicated canonisation contests for its exclusive characters before it was even finished...
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IDK, maybe saying that the character was never meant to be officially depicted is just a little bit much of extracted meaning for them just never giving certain characters a face? Like saying every fan interpretation was equally valid is like saying my hypothetical interpretation of a Artahka that looked like a Mahi goat was as valid.
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People like seeing Bionicle's TONS of unknown characters get the respect they deserve, even if you can just "LEGO them". It was kinda weird going from the Mask of Creation having an image of BS01 when we didn't know G2 was a reboot to then having that stripped away. And IDK if we could get a specific set designer (if one in particular was the most important over others, throughout Bionicle's run) to still converse with fans like Greg; who were identified as being the most significant again? We already luckily have Greg as someone with canonisation authority for years, who may've also written canon for past contest models(?), then we'd have to bring in another person or two as well on top of it with LEGO's approval, it's logistics...
17 hours ago, Lorentz said:MOCs do not count as "new bionicle models" even if they're canonized. Also, and this is very important: Greg was never a set designer and has no eye for visual design, so I don't even know why he's an authority figure for these things.
They're canon aren't they? With LEGO's approval right? So they're at least as "Bionicle model" as these:
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1 hour ago, Potahu_Nua said:
On the subject of staffs/spines, there were at least 3 other Rahkshi seen in the comics.
- Two in comic 16 : an orange (or gold?) "Vohrahk" and a yellow (gold or tan?) "Turahk". It should be noted that in the books, this scene describes a Rahkshi of heat vision specifically.
- In comic 22: a blue "Panrahk" (+ another in silhouette). Maybe molecular disruption?
I like the idea of a bin having randomized Rahkshi parts to mix-and-match. It's probably the most realistic way they could do it. And technically, there are only 18 unique colours, so it would be a little more manageable to collect than 42.
This makes me wonder what Bionicle would be like if they had more of a DIY approach like Hero Factory tried to. It wouldn't work the same way obviously, but maybe they release value packs each year with exclusive colours for other clone sets like the matoran. That way you could build some of the side characters, like Tamaru, or make your own more easily.
I'm getting off topic, but I can imagine having supplementary adaptive armour packs for the Phantoka/Mistika. With different fins, masks, or whatever else to customize the Toa.
Actually brought this up recently; there's also a Rahkshi in a Lunchables comic that looks like one of the aforementioned mainline comic Rahkshis but is actually a different type apparently. Maybe the book is referring to that Comic 16 Yellow Rahkshi as the one of Heat Vision rather than either of the two pictured together? (Orange and Tan)
Still begs the question what types those two are if it's actually the Yellow/Gold one in the Lunchables comic that's Weather Control (again, according to BS01). Maybe the left one is indeed Insect Control, but IDK about the other.
Also I think the shadowed Rahkshi in Comic 22 is just the Brown Rahkshi.
EDIT: Or rather, just a copy of the Blue one as that uses the same spine and staff despite it being wrong for the Blue Rahkshi...
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1 hour ago, Nato The Whisperer said:
Per BS01, Rahkshi of Heat Vision are yellow, and Rahkshi of Weather Control are gold.
Given the art style, I can understand how those might end up looking very similar in comic form.
Guess that just leaves the question of who the first two are according to that ruling. Though I could just leave them as Orange and Blonde in my document otherwise.
On the bright side, my 2003 styled Heat Vision Rahkshi can sorta represent two breeds now!
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The mainline "Toa Metru!" comic had these Rahkshi that I thought were Insect Control and Weather Control Rahkshi but apparently BS01 doesn't specifically say that (maybe Bionicle Wiki does?)
...but rather calls the golden Rahkshi in the Lunchables comic the Weather Control Rahkshi. Y'know, the one that looks like the Heat Vision 2010 Rahkshi?
Yet this VERY similar looking one from the "Toa Metru!" comic IS apparently the Heat Vision Rahkshi? Being definitely distinct from those 2 Rahkshi but not the Weather Control one?
Have I got this correct? Like what's the point in having this wide scope of Kraata/Rahkshi colour variation if two of them are literally going to be the same anyways?
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It's pretty strange to hear about the supposed variety pack that contained the White Huna/Brown Komau that no one has any images for. I don't know if that happens in this day and age of cataloguing LEGO sets besides the alt colours for the brick built Kanohi set and weird releases like those Korean Piraka multipacks. It's like lost media or something, I wonder if those kind of releases could be their own coveted rarities, or at least in getting pictures of them (the Korean Piraka combiner that only has one side of instructions seen in particular, it's crazy).
Also, I'm kinda swayed on this story of the Sand Tarakava just being a prototype of the Tarakava made in a different colour than the final set (much like the recent red/yellow Nui-Rama prototypes found and those Manas ones with the trans-blue Kanohi) rather than a scrapped set of its own. I don't know, why would you design a big set around specifically 2 Rahi that mostly just punch each other and then make a budget option where the 2-player appeal of it is removed?
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5 hours ago, Eyru said:
Hi @TommyG — open up the Google doc and go to File > Make a copy. You can make your own copy of the document which you can edit at your leisure.
Then, if you'd like to continue this project, you can put the link to your copy here. Although this does count as topic revival, I'm going to let this thread stay open for now because there's quite a lot of information in here. If people want to continue working on this project, I think it's better to keep all the work in one place instead of starting a new topic.
Good luck!
That does sound simpler than waiting on the OP to get back, so hopefully he won't mind the new development going forward
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So I'm sorry if I'm bumping the topic into oblivion here (I don't quite know the rules on that here, haha), but I do still want to be able to continue to contribute to this document in a few ways. For example, I've got meticulous recreations of models like the prototype "Bad Guy" promo set and the Fikou Nui. The problem is, Volitak_Boxor has been MIA around these parts (if not also BS01?) since 2019, and the document has since been changed to need permission to edit. I have information to continue cataloguing these oddity models and I simply can't at the moment, what should I do?
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Not sure if this was already known about but apparently someone's selling all these storyboards for the first Bionicle movie on eBay (£15 a pop!) and I mention it hear in case the images of these have not yet been archived.
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Wow I didn't know someone found Brakas sprites within the B:QftT, as seen here with some palette error:
http://biomediaproject.com/bmp/board/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=414
Maybe this could help us get a more accurate Brakas construction?
EDIT: reconstruction I made and reference material
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You mean the Cliff Bugs?
No, I meant what I said: the Electric Spiders (named here).
Note that the Electric Spider and Fikou-Nui share the "Roborider head" abdomen and "ball joint" eyes. Aside from that, it's admittedly difficult to see any more similarities from the tiny sprite size, but it does lend enough weight to Pereki's hypothesis that it seems rather likely that the rest of their bodies (minus the larger abdomen, legs, and jaws of the Fikou-Nui) should be built very similarly.
Judging from Pereki's recreation, the Cliff Bug has a considerably different and much simpler build compared to the Electric Spider and Fikou-Nui.
EDIT: I figured I'd share a preview of what I've been working on recently...
Oh are those all Rahi found in TLOMN files? Is that one at the left a lion or something?
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As an aside, it turns out the big bugs in QftT are actually built mostly the same as the Fikou Nui, just minus the abdomen and with much smaller legs.
Very interesting! I can't believe I've never noticed that the Electric Spider and Fikou-Nui share the same basic build... then again, since we've only seen one from tiny sprites and the other from a single screenshot and a low-resolution video (up until last weekend), perhaps it shouldn't be that surprising after all. Either that, or it's a real testament to how much adding a large toothy lower jaw changes the design from rather cute (i.e. Electric Spider) to rather monstrous (i.e. Fikou-Nui).
Good call with the Roborider body piece. I know I've previously had to work around its exclusion from LDD when building the Muaka, Kane-Ra, and Kuma-Nui for the Eurobricks "Official LEGO Sets made in LDD" index... and it's a bit of a pain to retain both its shape and functionality. Surprising that unique Technic elements such as this haven't been seen in years (the most likely reason for its exclusion from LDD); I imagine it could be useful.
You mean the Cliff Bugs?
So any other Rahi that have models in TLOMN that I should know about? Are we able to see closeup images of all those other models like the Scorpion as we did with the Fikou Nui?
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Huh, so should we include even the unnamed Matoran models featured in media? I assume we don't count like, all of the palette swap movie ones.
Yeow also sent me some more images of the Fikou Nui so thanks man!
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Also, with the recent release of The Legend of Mata Nui game's alpha, I'd really like to know if that means we have models/better imagery of some of the non-set models of that game, or at least the Fikou Nui. Going through the recent Twitch stream, there seemed to be scorpions from the canon GBA game appropriately nearby a Nui-Jaga boss.
I assume we'll get some better angles later after people have dug through more of the files, but we do have some better images of the Fikou Nui. Here's one from the Beaverhouse's Discord and one from another source.
https://i.imgur.com/0EMcsz6.png
https://i.imgur.com/wZpA4tQ.png
YES. May just Bricklink it now considering we have a more accurate idea of the construction. Thanks for alerting me of this
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Also, with the recent release of The Legend of Mata Nui game's alpha, I'd really like to know if that means we have models/better imagery of some of the non-set models of that game, or at least the Fikou Nui. Going through the recent Twitch stream, there seemed to be scorpions from the canon GBA game appropriately nearby a Nui-Jaga boss.
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So in working on that alternate model database project, there's cataloging and attempting to build some of the Rahi seen in the GBA game Tales of the Tohunga/Quest for the Toa. Except there doesn't seem to be a full sprite ripping of the Rahi enemies from that game to work with that I know of (not just the main images as seen on Biosector01). I also heard something of Brakas imagery being found in the game files but is that accurate and meaning sprite imagery?
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Well, another LEGO theme one year short of its supposed three years, with the equivalent to the unreleased Mask of Power being the Vortech pack?
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No Vortech figure?
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Are the original models still out there? Who knows? Could we perhaps get in touch with someone who worked on it for some info? If they're anything like that GameHut YT channel with a bunch of old stuff left over from back in the day, we could be in luck!
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Hey, you might be right! Of course, I'm not sure if the red Brakas and the other Brakas image are identical construction wise, with the build I followed not necessarily being definitively accurate. Maybe a Toa head would fit more as their feet in the GBA screenshot, but they totally fit with the other image. If someone could try to figure out the other image's construction, that'd be great.
Also, I got in contact with Schoolastic on Twitter; they don't have releaseable photos from their BIONICLE stuff, so maybe legal reasons with LEGO are permitting them and/or they've misplaced any from this thing they did years ago.
https://twitter.com/ScholasticHelp/status/909838057381203969
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Mashed up these two notably compared songs in what I thought would be the first mashup like so until I searched YouTube today and saw that someone had also done one, albeit with not the same result at all even if coincidentally, both end with BMtL's end verse syncing up with CiMS's end verse that comes from the Barraki Promo CD version.I used Adobe Audition for this mashup, including the audio extracting process for some of CiMS's audio, while for BMtL I used an instrumental and solo acapella I found.
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Does anyone know what the black pieces are on Eliminator's hips?
Could they perhaps be wheel parts or 32184?
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I changed the sockets on my recreation of the "Acid Fly" to Vezok's as they may have matched the colour better than Thok's. Also, I've built some models of relevance to this database. The recently added "Prototype Bad Guy" (at the very bottom of the database) I built with attempted accurate construction and part colours, with help from this TTV post and member.
I also built a recreation of the prototype screenshot Brakas with building reference from here.
There were some 2006 model recreations as well (VNOG Enslaved Matoran, Lava Ape and Chute Serpent), but they used substitution for what resembled non-LEGO construction, so I'll link them here.
Official Ultimate Bionicle Checklists: 2016 Edition
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Shouldn't the LEGO Classic 11021 90 Years of Play set also count for the checklist? It's technically another LEGO theme, but it's literally representing a BIONICLE set within the set. Can't think of other examples like that except the Takanuva set we almost got with The LEGO Movie 2.